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Anger over gay marriage vote directed at Mormons

Friday, November 14, 2008 11:44 PM PST

By Eric Gorski
The Associated Press

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Supporters of gay marriage, frustrated over a ballot-box defeat in California, have channeled much of their anger toward the towering white spires of Mormon temples.

For months, the Mormon church sought to portray itself as just one member of a coalition of Catholics, evangelicals, black Protestants and others supporting Proposition 8, a measure to stop gay marriage in California.

Some opponents of the measure sought to dispel that in the campaign’s final weeks, pointing to extensive Mormon organizing and the staggering amount of money donated by individual Mormons at the behest of church leaders in Salt Lake City.

Since the measure’s passage last week, media outlets reported chants of “Mormon scum” and slurs against church founder Joseph Smith at a demonstration outside a Los Angeles-area temple, and a church meeting-house was vandalized. More Mormon-specific protests are in the works.

The backlash against Mormons has ignited a debate over whether the church deserves to be singled out for what opponents believe was a dishonest campaign or is an easy political target as a minority religion that has taken plenty of lumps.

“I think it is a purely tactical reaction from those who are supporting gay marriage because if it can be made to appear the opposition is essentially one religion that is, frankly, an often misunderstood religion, it’s easier to make the case that the other side is reasonable,” said Michael Otterson, spokesman for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or the Mormon church.

Proposition 8 opponents denounced vandalism and violence, and some have spoken out against anti-Mormon rhetoric. But they also say Mormon money funded irresponsible ads, like one suggesting young children would be required to learn about homosexuality in schools.

“I don’t think the Mormon church stepped outside the boundaries available to any faith community that wants to get organized on values they hold dear,” said Lindi Ramsden, a Unitarian minister who organized interfaith opposition to the measure. “The part that saddens me is that money donated by people of faith was used to finance advertising that is as close to blatant lies as you can get.”

Even so, Ramsden sent an e-mail to allies this week warning against making scapegoats of any one group, including Mormons and blacks, who also strongly backed the measure.

The Mormon church’s Proposition 8 efforts represent its strongest push into politics since it opposed the Equal Right Amendment in the 1970s.

The church believes traditional marriage is best for society. Heterosexual marriage is also central to Mormon theology; Mormons believe their marriages are keys to eternal life.

In June, the LDS First Presidency, its highest governing body, announced its support for Proposition 8 in a letter read at every congregation. Members were asked to donate their “means and time” to the effort to undo a May court decision that legalized gay marriage in California and opened the door for 18,000 same-gender couples to wed in the past four months.

One factor in Mormons becoming an opposition target was Mormonsfor8.com, a Web site founded by Nadine Hansen, a 61-year-old semiretired lawyer from Cedar City, Utah.

Because the church itself did not donate money to the campaign, Hansen sought to identify Mormon donors of $1,000 or more, matching campaign records to tips from site visitors and church members and what she and others uncovered with search engines.

The site attributes $15 million in donations to Mormons, or nearly half the Yes on 8 war chest in a state where Mormons make up 2 percent of the population.

Originally, the site named Mormon givers, but Hansen said she changed it to include only first names and last-name initials over concerns Mormons would be hate-crime targets.

“For months, these sacred houses of worship were the precinct offices, members were called to be campaign workers and ward lists were turned into voter rosters,” Hansen said. “Basically, if the church wants to know why Mormon sacred places are targeted, look in the mirror.”

Hansen said she is a Mormon but does not attend church. Otterson, the church spokesman, said the church recognizes freedom to demonstrate, but hopes it is in “good taste and respectful.”

Some gay marriage backers in California began taking a sharper tone against Mormons in October. The liberal group Courage Campaign organized an online petition asking LDS Church President Thomas Monson to stop bearing false witness, among other things.

On Election Night, the group aired a controversial ad that depicted Mormon missionaries ransacking a lesbian couple’s house and destroying their marriage certificate.

“All it did was dramatize what the church wanted to do and in fact did do,” said Rick Jacobs, chairman of the Courage Campaign. He said religious bigotry was not at work.

“There is no place in America for anything but an embrace — not just tolerance — of people’s religious beliefs,” Jacobs said. “Equally, I would say great caution should be exercised when people try to restrict people’s rights.”

Dale Carpenter, a University of Minnesota law professor who opposed Proposition 8, said singling out the Mormon church is wrong. He called it “selective indignation,” and said some Mormons publicly opposed the measure and others backed it for deeply held beliefs, not bigotry.

“It’s especially inappropriate to target the physical buildings — the places of worship themselves — because that invites the kind of religious intolerance we have suffered too much of in the history of this country,” Carpenter said.

Roman Catholic Bishop William Weigand of Sacramento also defended Mormons, calling the backlash “serious religious bigotry.”

Gay-marriage backers “look at this whole thing as a discrimination issue. And they’re giving the same, in a sense, to Mormons and other religious people,” Weigand said in an interview.

Protests also have been staged at a Catholic cathedral and an Orange County megachurch led by pastor and best-selling author Rick Warren, who endorsed Proposition 8.

But if anything, gay-rights activists are intensifying their focus on the Mormon church. Building on protests at LDS temples in California and Salt Lake City in the past week, they went on to plan a demonstration Wednesday night at the church’s temple in Manhattan.

Gay rights activists have proposed tourism boycotts in Utah and challenges to the church’s tax exempt status. For every $5 the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center raises to fight the gay-marriage ban, the group promises to send a postcard to Monson, the church president.

“They weren’t the only conservative sort of extremist anti-gay religious group that got involved in the campaign,” said Lorri L. Jean, the center’s chief executive officer. “But nobody did what they did.”

Some Mormon scholars believe more is at work than anger against Mormons flexing financial and organizational muscle. Armand Mauss, a retired Washington State University sociologist, said the campaign laid bare a “latent anti-Mormon undercurrent.”

Anti-Mormon rhetoric is politically safe because Mormons remain a relatively small minority and “have never been completely assimilated as ’normal Americans’ to completely live down the image of ’weirdness’ inherited from the 19th century,” Mauss said in an e-mail.

The evangelical mantra that Mormons aren’t Christian — as well as this year’s raid in Texas of a polygamist sect, a group not always distinguished from mainstream Mormonism — feeds into that, he said.

Richard Davis, a political science professor at church-owned Brigham Young University, said intolerance of Mormons extends from the secular left to the religious right. Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney’s Mormonism was attacked by some evangelicals — Mormon allies on Proposition 8.

“That’s where the LDS church is right now,” Davis said, “despite years of efforts to improve the image of the church.”

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Rocko wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:21 AM:

" If you put lipstick on a pig its still a pig. "

Just MY Opinion! wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:44 AM:

" There are some things I wanted to comment on from this article. The gay rights group is critizing Mormans for running dishonest ads saying it will be taught in school. Seems to me that when they became legal back in May or so I remember a story were a third grade class was taken out of school on a so called field trip to watch their teacher get married to another women. All this happened without parents knowledge! Seems a little pro queer to me. Also I don't like the fact that all these groups for gay pride really preach about tolerance. That we must tolerate them because they feel this way or that yet the Mormans are now getting persecuted for their beliefs. That is what is wrong with America now the ideas of few are getting pressed on the views of many. If you don't agree than it's bigotry! Every year it seems California has one of these gay marriage rights things and they always seem to lose. California has spoken several times if you don't like it move to Conneticut don't push your views on those who overwhelmily oppose it. Last note for any Mormans out there I don't know much about your religous views but we agree on one marriage is for a man and women! So thank you for standing up for that. "

JMKelso wrote on Nov 15, 2008 11:27 AM:

" Just MY Opinion:
Well said!
Guess what? The ban went up for vote and the people voted it down. Stop whining about it people.
Marriage = 1 man + 1 woman,
always has, and I hope it always will!!! "

Jason L. Cheung wrote on Nov 15, 2008 1:41 PM:

" What is it with you people? Why do you care? Don't like homosexual weddings?
DON'T HAVE ONE.

"That is what is wrong with America now the ideas of few are getting pressed on the views of many. If you don't agree than it's bigotry!"

I seem to remember learning in civics class that yes, there was Majority Rule, but there are also Minority Rights. Besides, let's not forget that there is a seperation of Church and State in this country for a reason. "

LongviewFam wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:50 PM:

" Rocko, what do you mean by "lipstick on a pig." Who are you saying the pig is and why is meant by the lipstick? Please clarify. "

Hauskapoika wrote on Nov 15, 2008 6:06 PM:

" I'm not Mormon, but I voted for Prop 8.
Gays should be mad at theirself for all the marching and protesting. They need to understand that the term "MARRIAGE" has bee defined and used exclusively -for centuries - by men and women who marry. It is the definition and term - not hate or legal aspects. Get wise, gays, you invented a different term for homosexuality, so invent a different term for gay unions, and I think such a proposition would pass. "

muse wrote on Nov 15, 2008 6:25 PM:

" Those supporting homosexual marriage should staunchly defend the freedom of expression of the Mormons, the Catholics, blacks, and any other group that disagrees with their goal. Why? By supporting the Mormons or any other groups' right to promote traditional marriage (the means by which God has created to promote the greatest level of happiness for the greatest number of His children and the very basis of civilization), those favoring gay marriage protect their own right to express themselves. As an aside, the level of violence and bigotry expressed by pro gay marriage supporters against traditional marriage supporters is shameful and should be universally condemned. "

ThereGoesThatTriptoHawaii wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:52 AM:

" The best argument I had against the absurdity of this debate came from a former roommate. He is gay, and not that you would ever be able to tell, or really, not that it matters. But he put it like this: I pay a cable company a certain dollar amount for a lot of channels. And someone else pays the same amount, but doesn't get Showtime, or HBO. This, obviously, isn't fair. So why should an federal and sttate citizen be subject to the same taxes and laws if they are not equally entitled to the benefits of citizenship? And the reaction is, because it is specifically stated that marriage is between a man and a woman, therefore.... So, all men are created equal, therefore....Manipulating semantics barely masks bigotry. "

Jason L. Cheung wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:41 AM:

" "As an aside, the level of violence and bigotry expressed by pro gay marriage supporters against traditional marriage supporters is shameful and should be universally condemned."

Huh. An estimated 6,000 people marched in Seattle and I have not heard of one arrest. There is a term for violence against Gay people (by straight people)due to their sexual orientation, (Gaybashing) yet there isn't one for violence against Straight people by Gay people.

Or, Muse, is there one that I've not heard of? "

grrrowl wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:00 AM:

" Yes, Mormoms, 2 guys marrying each other = not okay. 1 man (Joseph Smith) marrying 33 women = BESTEST PROPHET EVER. Plural marriages. yay yay yay yay. "

longviewrez wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:39 AM:

" Do hetero unmarried couples get special rights? Enough said. "

cheney119 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:11 PM:

" I really get sick of religious opinions in the public square. What if I based my opinions on a martian that I speak to when I wear my foil hat. That's what it's like arguing with religion. The mormon church getting this deep into politics should have a price, they should lose their tax exempt status, that would hit them where they live. We have separation of church and state and that is to save the sane from the church. Thomas Jefferson said; "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg". To bad more folks don't take Jefferson's position and learn to mind their own damned business. If they did the republican party might be winning somewhere besides the bible belt. "

tallsy wrote on Nov 16, 2008 12:30 PM:

" I am a Mormon and I am 100% against Gay Marriage. The Lord has always taught that Marriage is between Man and Woman. I do not support or ever will support Gay Marriage "

El Gabilon wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:08 PM:

" "Marriage" is a religious affair. "Civil Union" is a state affair. Those who are joined together by the state are not "married", they are joined in civil union. Those who are joined together in a religous ceremony are both "married" and "joined in civil union since the state requires state papers to be filed. Religious groups, eg. Catholics, Mormans etc., should decide for themselves as to whether their group wishes to join together gay or lebisian couples. They do not however have the right to prevent a civil union of either hetro or homosexual individuals. For those of you who may not be aware, if you are a Catholic and were joined in civil union by the state, and not married in the church, the church considers you not to be married and living in sin. This animosity towards gay people is nothing more than insecure people attempting to cover up their insecurity, especially in belief in God, and in selfhood. One finds that these same people have no difficulty in committing adultry, fornicating before marriage, masturbating, commiting sodemy and enjoining in other various and sundry activities such as clergy sexually abusing children, fornicating with members of the congragation, and parents who abuse their children in one form or another. The best thing to do in this case is to pay strict attention to WHAT YOU DO, and NOT WHAT OTHERS DO. Pluck the beam out of your own eye before you attempt to pluck the splinter out of another. "

golfer wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:47 PM:

" tallsy....Man & one woman, not several as some of your ilk believe. "

ACP wrote on Nov 16, 2008 2:20 PM:

" Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve "

LongviewFam wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:09 PM:

" Golfer, there is absolutely NO relation between the polygamous sects and the Mormon church. They are a break off group over 100 years ago. Many other religions have break off sects that commit all manner of crimes (ie, Branch Davidians and the Seventh Day Adventist church, etc.) but we don't constantly associate the two like many people do with the Mormon church and the polygamists. If Tallsy is a Mormon, like myself, those people are not some of our "ilk". We denounce them and their illegal activity. "

jinxy wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:30 PM:

" Hey tallsy, So you don't believe in gay marriage. Ok thats fine but why should you or all the other mormans, or me, or my neighbors decide what is right for gays? Why don't you just leave it to God to decide when the gays meet Him at the Pearly Gates? Isn't that when it really matters and WHO really matters anyway? How is it hurting YOU if gays marry? Leave the judging to the God you say is so important to you. He is the only one who should be doing the judging. "

TK wrote on Nov 16, 2008 4:39 PM:

" If gays can't marry, hetero couples shouldn't be allowed to divorce. It's all about the sanctity of marriage, right? "

vikingtwin5 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:16 PM:

" Seventh Day Adventists have committed all manner of crimes? Refresh my memory please. "

golfer wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:20 PM:

" jinxy....My point was hypocrisy of the Mormons & all their wives, not that I denounce gay marriage which I don't. The far religious right is quick to point out other people's faults, but is willing to look the other way when their's are confronted. "

cheney119 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 5:45 PM:

" The Lord has always taught that Marriage is between Man and Woman, the bible also says to treat you slaves kindly and not to eat shellfish. Who the hell cares what mormons think about ANYTHING or what the bible says about ANYTHING! Mormons, you had to abandon polygamy for Utah to become a state. This much meddling in politics should result in real momentum to remove your tax exemption as a church. Isn't it the christian horror that you'll end up in heaven and it will be full of mormons? Good thing it won't be my problem, I'd rather go to hell, but I don't believe in any of it. "

LongviewFam wrote on Nov 16, 2008 7:44 PM:

" vikingtwin5, The Branch Davidians were a break off of the Seventh Day Adventist church and they committed horrible acts. The Branch Davidians and their leader were evil, obviously not the main SDA church. My point is that just because a shoot off goes astray (every major religion has them), we shouldn't blame the church they left. Rarely did we ever hear about the BDs being a break from the SDA church, but constantly hear that the Mormons are associated with the polygamous. Just because the polygamous clans left the Mormon church doesn't mean we continually need to bring down the current Mormon church too. Let me reiterate so it is clear, main churches are only guilty by association with these break off groups. "

JD Hogg wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:05 PM:

" Actually, Cheney 119, the Mormon church itself did not spend 1 nickel, and their tax exempt status is not in question. Sure, the members donated, as did Catholics and other religions. It's not illegal for members to donate to a proposition or a campaign. The Mormon members themselves had no real effect in prop 8 either...it was the voters of California, especially non-Mormon minorities.
As for the idea of gay marriage, it's preposterous. Marriage is an ANCIENT religious covenant with GOD between 1 man and 1 woman for the purpose of procreation and raising a family. The idea of gay marriage is an insult to this original covenant. So until the heavens open up and God comes down and gives homosexuals the ability to reproduce, Marriage will stay the same, and Religions world-wide will defend it. I'm personally ok with giving gays the same rights that married couples have in regards to taxes, inheritance, insurance, etc etc...via a Civil Union, but will NEVER be ok with the idea of Gay Marriage...it will never happen. "

tired wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:44 PM:

" The lord has always taught?It has always been one person teaching another.Since when has a fictitious being ever taught anything,other than Dr.Seus that is.I get so fed up with the religious moral majority in this country it makes me want to puke! "

dude wrote on Nov 16, 2008 9:47 PM:

" if a man can marry a man then why not a dog or a brother? Why care if what they do? "

grrrowl wrote on Nov 17, 2008 5:32 AM:

" When the mormon church stops touting Joseph Smith and Brigham Young (both polygamists), maybe people will stop associating polygamy with Mormons. But probably not. When your church is founded on that kind of crap, it tends to not bode well with everyone else. "

mom of four wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:38 AM:

" To the 2 ppl saying that Joseph Smith is a mormon...well you are wrong he and his followers say they are mormon. That is not the mormon religion and that is not what they belive in. Instead of all of you talking out your rears do some research go to a church and see for yourself. Then about gay marriage it;s wrong in my opnion but I will not be the one to judge later on. None of us will. I don't like to see 2 straight ppl making out in public why should I have to see 2 gays? I shouldn't. Someone said that is what is wrong with America. Sorry you are incorrect what is wrong with America is that we let are children be exposed to the crap on tv, we let ppl be discusting in public and nobody has the nerve to say anything. "

spete98611 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:32 AM:

" I'm not a church-going person and don't believe in organized religion. With that being said I don't see the problem with the Mormon church supporting any kind of legal action or reform. A law can not be passed by a church, a politician or a god. A law is passed by the people. A lot of people want to say that money is the all deciding factor in what laws are passed or not passed. If that is so then maybe we have a new church, politician and god being the dollar. Or maybe we live in a society of whiner's who will kick their feet crying when they don't get what they want. I would choose the latter as being the truth; for now. What I think is funny is how we have in this country a government instituted division of people. We talk about dividing church and state which is a good idea because the church is what ruled europe for centuries and the US wanted to keep this country free of that influence but at the same time hold strongly to their personal beliefs. Yet we have divided social groups with laws such as "hate crimes" and groups such as the ACLU, NAACP and many other alphabet organizations. Isn't every crime commited a crime of hate? Isn't an organization for minorities setting themselves up as always being considered a minority and as a people who are always in need of assistance? "

Realist wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:31 AM:

" OK, the church wants to get involved in matters of partisan politics- fine. But then they should start paying taxes. It is as simple as that. "

Hauskapoika wrote on Nov 17, 2008 6:55 PM:

" A reminder: Many marriages are performed in a religious ceremony, but basically, it is a civil matter and the effect of being married by a justice of the peace at the court house is the same. A further reminder: No divorces are handled in a religious ceremony - the reason? MARRIAGE IS a CIVIL AND LEGAL ARRANGEMENT. Therefore, the union between a man and woman is a marriage that has been upheld in the courts, tradition, practice, and socially for centuries. Since homosexual unions are NOT the same as heterosexual unions, gays should find a different term for their unions and not try to call them "MARRIAGE." This should be very easy for gays since they invented the term "gay" instead of homosexual. Gays should not try to call their unions marriage, because it is not the same. If gays call their unions something else, I believe a lot of people would not object to them having the same legal status as straight people. "

bluE wrote on Nov 17, 2008 7:38 PM:

" i grew up in a morman household. in my opinion those folks got more to be worried about than the gays, maybe they should concern themselves with the fact that their prophet said that rocks told him what to do and that their old leader and most of their core principles is based upon bigotry and ignorance. but they are not the only religion that spreads hate and fascism, and spawns stupidity 6 screaming brats at a time. im so glad that my parents didnt succeed in brain washing me into that cult, mom and pop are god folks but god bless atheism! reality is better than even the sweetest tasting poison! "

vikingtwin5 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:12 PM:

" I guess they could call it marriage lite. "

rs5 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:47 PM:

" The new face of fascism, homosexuality "

Muse wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:43 PM:

" Some make the argument that because the Mormons take a political stand, they should lose their tax-exempt status. If this reasoning is carried to its logical end, the vast majority of churches would lose their tax exempt status because of their opposition to abortion. "

mybaby1952 wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:58 PM:

" To Jinxy, who said GOD is a Man, maby GOD is a Woman!!!! The only way were going to find out is when we meet our maker. "

muse wrote on Nov 18, 2008 10:13 PM:

" Lest the vision of the citizenry of Cowlitz County become clouded by the hysteria of a vocal minority, please keep in mind that a majority of voters (not just Mormons who make up about 2% of the U.S. population) in California, Arizona and Florida passed ballot initiatives outlawing same-sex marriage. "

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