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County's gun sales surging
Thursday, November 13, 2008 7:14 PM PST
By Tony Lystra
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E-mail this articleGun and ammunition sales have been up in Cowlitz County in recent months. The reason? The election of Barack Obama, say gun store owners.
Gun enthusiasts, the retailers said, are worried the incoming Democratic president will tighten gun ownership laws, particularly for assault rifles and handguns, both of which have been regularly targeted by gun control advocates.
“They’re flying off the shelves,” said Tim Currier, who works at West Coast Loan and Gun in Longview.
Currier said the store has sold four military-style rifles, such as AR-15s and “AK-type weapons,” since the Nov. 4 election.
He’d usually sell one or two every few months, he said.
At Bob’s Sporting Goods in Longview, gun sales have been up about 40 percent this year, all because every presidential election causes gun sales to spike, said owner Bob Schlecht.
“It’s amazing,” he said.
Currier, who describes himself as an ardent opponent of gun-control measures, said he worries Obama will seek stricter regulations. His customers, he said, are having similar concerns.
It took “about a week to get into everybody’s minds what just happened,” Currier said of the election results. “Everybody’s rushing all at once now.”
Buyers are snatching guns off shelves nationwide over similar worries, according to reports from the Associated Press and The New York Times.
Democrats have been known to support gun regulations. The Democratic Party, well aware of its reputation — as well as Republican efforts to paint Obama as anti-gun — said flatly during the campaign Obama will respect individuals’ gun rights.
After the U.S. Supreme Court in June overturned the Washington, D.C., handgun ban, Obama said: “As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms.”
But, he continued, “Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can’t constrain the exercise of that right. ... In the same way that we have a right to private property, but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.”
While many retailers focused on the regulations expected to come from Obama’s administration, Dave Sinkler, who works at the gun counter at Bob’s and has been selling guns 28 years, said gun sales have increased around presidential elections for years. It doesn’t matter which party wins the White House.
“Every four years you’ll see a spike, whether it’s a Republican or a Democrat,” he said.
If the trend is consistent with previous years, sales will taper off in mid-December, then increase again around Obama’s inauguration Jan. 20 until tapering off once again.
Asked why, Sinkler said, “I don’t know. Just fear, I think. ... Everybody has that freaking-out issue.”
“Apparently there is something hard-wired in people,” Schlecht said. “They get worried during elections. ... Maybe it pulls the issue (of gun control) more to the forefront and that gets people thinking about it.”
Jarrod Leigh, the manage Four Corners General Store in Castle Rock, said he’s sold out of assault rifles like the AR-15. In a normal month, he said he’d sell two. Manufacturers and distributors, he said, can’t keep up with demand.
“If I had 10 this month, I’d be able to sell them all,” Leigh said.
Leigh said about a quarter of his customers have been discussing the possibility of tighter regulations following the election.
Obama’s victory, Leigh said, “kind of just lit a fire under people that have been looking for a particular firearm for some time.”
“Now they’re just buying it, afraid that they might not be able to purchase it again,” he said.
Leigh also said that “ammo sales are through the roof,” because buyers are worried about increased taxes that would make ammunition prohibitively expensive, effectively restricting gun use while circumventing the Second Amendment.
“Guys are buying up as much ammo as they can pretty much get their hands on,” he said.
Small Town Girl wrote on Nov 12, 2008 11:45 PM:
" This small town girl is asking for a gun for christmas. "
badpenny wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:15 AM:
" I'm glad to hear there is some common sense left behind the gun counter at Bob's. If I were to buy a gun because of who is in the White House, I surely would have done my purchasing during the BUSH administration. When America wakes up and discovers how many of our Constitutional rights that crowd stole from citizens, they will be furious. I sure don't feel any safer looking at the picture that came with this article. And I am a gunowner! "
Mr. Chinook wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:30 AM:
" Obama is going to be our next president. What a great excuse to buy more guns! One can never have too many guns or too much fishing gear. The latest rumor I have heard is that ammunition manufacturers will soon be forced to use gunpowder that renders itself useless (won't ignite) after a certian amount of time, like 12 months. This would be done so that citizens can't "stockpile" ammo. "
1209 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:48 AM:
" Am I the only one who sees the obvious racist overtones to this story? Another outstanding job by TDN to improve Longview's image for everyone to see over the internet. I can already hear the trample of all of the businesses falling over each other to set up shop here to employ such an obviously intelligent work force . Who wouldn't, after being tipped off to this article? This one ranks right up there with the kid from Kentucky who represented the "youth vote" in Kelso and Longview. Cowlitz County is well served. "
1209 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 6:03 AM:
" By the way, it's not just "the election of Barack Obama". It's PRESIDENT - ELECT BARACK OBAMA. Any guess how long it took the Secret Service to flag this article? "
DEEramirez wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 AM:
" i dont see what the big deal is. people dont understand that he is mainly doing it becuase of the problems we're having in big cities with gang violence. but what nobody understands is guns are still going to out to the streets. "
concerned wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:46 AM:
" oh thsts just what this county needs alot more rifles and handguns out there for the common criminal to get ahold of somehow and reek havoc on our small town. What are these people affraid of? Is it because we are gonna have a president who actually wil do something for this country instead of sending our young men and women to war or screwing our economy up even more?? "
LH wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:48 AM:
" Just what we need, more freeked out people with brand new guns to try out. "
LviewLocal wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:55 AM:
" Oh brother! I don't get it, why do you need an assault rifle? Rifle, I get. Shotgun, I get. Handgun, I get. But an AK? Why? "
Eman wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:00 AM:
" ...Prepare for Armageddon my friends...too bad the enemy comes from within... "
RTLL wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:10 AM:
" See? Obama is already helping the local economy and he's not even in office yet! Can't ask for much more than that :-) "
disappointedinthistown wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:43 AM:
" Yeah, because guns have gotten us so far and solve so many of the fundamental problems that plague our country. Sadly this article is a testament to the mindset I am so fed up with in this area. Where are the sensible people that think with their brains not their caliber? "
not so great wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:46 AM:
" to 1209; racist overtones?? Please explain this mindless rant and I am sure TDN and Bobs are real worried the Secret service is watching... "
Lucky7 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:58 AM:
" Amen RTLL! Gun dealers Rejoice! Seems kinda strage when Obama repeatedly said he'll defend the 2nd ammendment. Can't buy food, can't pay rent, but by gawd go buy a gun..... I don't get it? "
imlovinit wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:05 AM:
" 1209 you sound completely paranoid. Please post exactly what "obvious racist overtones" you see in this article. What are people freaking about? Two different retailers are quoted in that article saying this happens EVERY ELECTION CYCLE. Dem, GOP in power doesn't matter. Good one RTLL. "
cherokee wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:05 AM:
" To LviewLocal; the reason why someone wants an AK lookalike is the same reason a person wants a volkswagon over a cadillac. There should be no restriction on firearms just because they look different.I personaly would rather have an AK variant over a Winchester rifle any day. That is just because I do not hunt and have no interest in hunting arms. I like military style arms because I want to experience what veterans either carried or faced.I have a lot more respect for WW2 vets that carried an M1 Garand after holding one. "
Momof2 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Do you really think that gun control is first and foremost on his list?
I am sure he has more pressing matters, little things like, the economy, jobs, foreclosures, the war in Iraq.
Way to go TDN and Bob's, breed the panic!!! "
I am sure he has more pressing matters, little things like, the economy, jobs, foreclosures, the war in Iraq.
Way to go TDN and Bob's, breed the panic!!! "
spete98611 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:35 AM:
" I'm not sure what story some of you are reading while posting your comment(s). Yet again someone has to say the "R" word in regards to a story. How is the story racist 1209? Obviously you have a few screws loose up there and that is why people like I have guns in their home. The story states that gun sales increase during the election season regardless of what party wins which is true if you do the research. I'm pretty sure a lot of you haven't had the experience to travel outside of the country. And I'm not talking about staying in resort type areas. I've been around the country and around the world and I have seen the dark places where most people don't tend to imagine exist. Guns are not the problem in this country; it's fanatasism. You're average gun owner isn't some crazy NRA conspiracy crazed nut. Yet those who don't believe in citizenry posession of firearms tends to perpetuate a stereotype of such. You don't have to be in a war to see the horrors of man. And these crimes aren't always committed with guns. Open your eyes, open your minds and shut your mouths. In a way I would love to have all rights stripped from the American public including gun rights. Maybe then another country will invade ours. Lets end freedom of speech as well so I don't have to hear of the idiocy plauging society. "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:42 AM:
" That kid in the pic doesn't even look old enough to be buying a gun. It also looks like the local Redneck community is getting prepared to militarise. I'll make sure to stay away from all portable homes. "
old bag wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:43 AM:
" This is not just happening here. This is happening all over the US. It's in every paper....more guns being sold now than ever before. Hope they remember ammo! "
lola*in*longview wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:52 AM:
" 1209
What racist overtones? I have NEVER read anything in TDN that has had anything racist in it. Where are they, maybe you should make yourself a little clearer about it so we can all have a good LAUGH!! "
What racist overtones? I have NEVER read anything in TDN that has had anything racist in it. Where are they, maybe you should make yourself a little clearer about it so we can all have a good LAUGH!! "
Rural Citizen wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:54 AM:
" This is the stupidest example of how republicans rumor themselves into a frenzy. They also think the world is coming to an end. Tell you what. If you don't keep those new guns under lock and key your world COULD come to an end with a gun accident. Be careful out there.
Oh, and by the way; please don't take food out of your kids' mouths for those guns! Seems to me everyone is complaining about being broke these days, so where is all the money coming from to buy the guns?
Before I leave? Obama said he is not interested in gun control. And neither are Democrats. It's a Republican lie and has been for years. "
Oh, and by the way; please don't take food out of your kids' mouths for those guns! Seems to me everyone is complaining about being broke these days, so where is all the money coming from to buy the guns?
Before I leave? Obama said he is not interested in gun control. And neither are Democrats. It's a Republican lie and has been for years. "
Common_Sense wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:58 AM:
" Yet another brilliant piece of TDN reporting - the first paragraph contradicts what the gun shop owners state.
Bob Schlecht & David Sink clearly state that after every Presidential election gun ownership spikes - this is nothing new. If this is the trend, why is this even a story.
You may as well report on wet weather in November due to President-Elect Obama. Never mind it's the trend for this area, every year.
Seems to me that all this journalist was trying to do was stir the pot. "
Bob Schlecht & David Sink clearly state that after every Presidential election gun ownership spikes - this is nothing new. If this is the trend, why is this even a story.
You may as well report on wet weather in November due to President-Elect Obama. Never mind it's the trend for this area, every year.
Seems to me that all this journalist was trying to do was stir the pot. "
LviewLocal wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:05 AM:
" To Cherokee: Thank you for your take on the subject. That was what I wanted to know; we own both rifles & handguns in my home, but I don't know anyone who has an assault rifle, and just wondered why you would want or need one. That being said, I don't necessarily agree with the idea of them, but I respect your right as a law-abiding citizen to buy one. "
South of the river wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:07 AM:
" LviewLocal: Why do I need an AK?Simple. If there is going to be one in the room, I want it in my hands. I want to be at least as well armed as "the next guy" because I trust myself - "the next guy", not so much.
That said, I voted for Obama. Its possible that we might see some new restrictions similar to the Clinton era (although statistics show those were worthless) but as far as the paranoid "They're gonna take our guns away!" fear, I think not. Lets face it, enough of us subscribe to the "...from my cold, dead hands..." school of thought that any attempt to confiscate our guns would result in immediate civil war. I pretty sure that isn't the "change" Obama was promising.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein "
That said, I voted for Obama. Its possible that we might see some new restrictions similar to the Clinton era (although statistics show those were worthless) but as far as the paranoid "They're gonna take our guns away!" fear, I think not. Lets face it, enough of us subscribe to the "...from my cold, dead hands..." school of thought that any attempt to confiscate our guns would result in immediate civil war. I pretty sure that isn't the "change" Obama was promising.
"An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." - Robert A. Heinlein "
slowburn wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:10 AM:
" Let's focus on the message, and not how it was delivered. Gun sales in county way up. As a member of this community, this is something I need to know about. Period. "
person wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:16 AM:
" This is not by any means a local issue, this is happening all over the country in towns both big and small. There is nothing wrong with people being concerned about their right to bear arms. The spike in fire arm sales has been broadcast on CNN and Fox News, so to point to the writer and the newspaper is unjustified. "
Presidential Security wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:25 AM:
" Considering Longview, Washington's history of white supremacist sympathies, anyone concerned about the security of President - Elect Barack Obama may email watchdog@barackobama.com. "
75CB400FRider wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:29 AM:
" Politicians are afraid of gun control...just ask Al Gore!
They finally admit that his stance on the 2nd Amendment probably cost him the election.
I hate to say it, now especially but I voted for Bush in 2000, mostly because I new Gore would enact new gun laws.
If I hadn't been so worried about that one issue I probably would have voted for Gore and I'm sure I was only one of many who felt that way.
It's a shame that if you want to vote Democrat thinking they are more for the "working man" then you have to also endure their positions on the 2nd amendment and also illegal immigration.
I believe that both positions are contrary to what most of their "working" constituents believe in.
I remember seeing a county by county map of the USA after the 2000 election and the Bush counties were blue and the Gore counties were red.
Nearly every urban area was red and every rural area was blue.
I'm sure if Gore would have had a stance that was stricter in dealing with illegals, and if he would have had a more moderate stance on the 2nd Amendment he would have easily won the election!
Instead he decided to demonize guns and look where that got him!
If any liberals out there doubt this all you have to do is look at how quiet the Democrats were about gun control this time around compared to the 2000 election! "
They finally admit that his stance on the 2nd Amendment probably cost him the election.
I hate to say it, now especially but I voted for Bush in 2000, mostly because I new Gore would enact new gun laws.
If I hadn't been so worried about that one issue I probably would have voted for Gore and I'm sure I was only one of many who felt that way.
It's a shame that if you want to vote Democrat thinking they are more for the "working man" then you have to also endure their positions on the 2nd amendment and also illegal immigration.
I believe that both positions are contrary to what most of their "working" constituents believe in.
I remember seeing a county by county map of the USA after the 2000 election and the Bush counties were blue and the Gore counties were red.
Nearly every urban area was red and every rural area was blue.
I'm sure if Gore would have had a stance that was stricter in dealing with illegals, and if he would have had a more moderate stance on the 2nd Amendment he would have easily won the election!
Instead he decided to demonize guns and look where that got him!
If any liberals out there doubt this all you have to do is look at how quiet the Democrats were about gun control this time around compared to the 2000 election! "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:31 AM:
" First off, its not for any of you to question why "I need" anything..and second off, no one is buying or selling "Assualt" rifles..Assault weapons are those that can go from semi, to full auto at the flick of a switch...Educate yourself before you preach to me. "
98632 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:41 AM:
" So, buying seems to be up every election due to promised stricker gun control, so what! I own 2 .45's and I carry 1 wherever I go. Incase some of you have't noticed, Cowlitz is WA meth capitol, you really want a strung out tweaker approaching you or your children. I have worked in both Seattle and Portland and as such Longview is no different, we have our crimes and our drug problems. Until we unite as a community to resolve them, we are the same as the bigger cities. "
reasonable1 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:49 AM:
" "There should be no restriction on firearms just because they look different." -- Cherokee So how about a restriction on how many people they can kill in ten seconds? As someone else here said: Handgun, okay. Rifle, okay. Shotgun, okay. They have applications in some people's everyday life (other than accidentally killing people). But please tell me what possible reason you might have for owning a weapon that fires 600 rounds per minute? "
Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:11 AM:
" I don't even have a "Beware of dog" sign... I have a "Beware of Smith and Wesson" sign... My guns are for protection... I will hopefully never need to use them.. but should the need arise, I am prepared... It would take the local law enforcement 15 minutes to get out to my rural house... Last I heard, criminals don't respond to a 15 minute "time out"... and before you ask... yes ... there have been 3 violent crimes in my general area in the last 2 years... "
Roudyruss wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:14 AM:
" I think alot of the frenzy is in part to the propaganda the NRA threw into the mix when they published the lie about Obama's ten point plan to remove gun rights. The artical was researched and proved to be false by Factcheck.org and several other fact checking organizations. Sorry if I mispelled anything. "
American First wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:24 AM:
" Reasonable1, because it's fun!! A lot of fun!! Some people watch TV, some people ride dirt bikes, some people sky dive, some people raft, camp, ski, race cars, the list goes on. Some people shoot weapons that fire 600 rounds per minute, it's all for the same reason.. It's a fun enjoyable hobby, and it's an American right just like the other things I've mentioned. The weapon is never the problem, the problems are first, who's holding the weapon, and second how you can respond to that individual. I have never feared a weapon, doing so is an emotional response rather than a logical one. I'm happy people are exercising they're right, I find it interesting that Obama voters are in a hurry to purchase a firearm though, this is a right he wants to clearly eliminate, and you voted for it. Strange.... "
98632 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 11:40 AM:
" Considering Longview, Washington's history of white supremacist sympathies.....and where are the facts to back that up!!! Sure we will have the 1st black Prez who cares, the color of skin dictates to me nothing...give me 5 minutes in a room with anyone and I will find a reason to dislike them... you wanna preach the race card then all your doing is feeding the hate crimes. "
LviewLocal wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:07 PM:
" Hey Gondolapete, re-read my posts, that is exactly what I was trying to do: educate myself. I wasn't saying I am judging you, I was saying "Hey, I don't get it..let me hear your side." And you're right, I don't know the definition of an assault rifle; but the article does say that people are worried about Obama tightening restrictions on "assault rifles and handguns" so it's not like I pulled that term out of my *@*. So, if I want to question why someone "needs" one, I'm going to ask the question. It's how some of us "educate" ourselves; through conversation and discussion. "
anotion wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:33 PM:
" Anyone know where I can get a good deal on .223 bulk ammo? "
Kelso Parent wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:41 PM:
" Rural Citizen
You are out of your mind! A Republican lie! WOW.
All major legislation concerning the limitation of guns, ammunition, carry laws from the federal level on down the line has been perpetrated by democrats.
Clinton signed draconian hand gun limitations and so called assault weapons bans, democrat run states have limited ammunition sales and tried to eliminate right to carry.
It is harder and more expensive to own a gun, in some cities (D.C.) it was all but ILLEGAL, because of democrats. I guarantee that the democrat controlled congress and white house will pass new legislation to further limit gun ownership and will try to eliminate self-defense hand guns.
Either you are a liar or you have historical amnesia. "
You are out of your mind! A Republican lie! WOW.
All major legislation concerning the limitation of guns, ammunition, carry laws from the federal level on down the line has been perpetrated by democrats.
Clinton signed draconian hand gun limitations and so called assault weapons bans, democrat run states have limited ammunition sales and tried to eliminate right to carry.
It is harder and more expensive to own a gun, in some cities (D.C.) it was all but ILLEGAL, because of democrats. I guarantee that the democrat controlled congress and white house will pass new legislation to further limit gun ownership and will try to eliminate self-defense hand guns.
Either you are a liar or you have historical amnesia. "
citizen pote wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:55 PM:
" No other elected official has come from so far on the left as Barack Hussein Obama and reached the oval office. He will get to guns before long. He will try to take guns away from those who have a Constitutional Right to own guns. He will make America less competitive in the global job market with extreme climate control legislation. He will do to this military what no insurgent or terrorist could do in the last 7 years. He will do so much more harm to this nation than Any president before him. But you all bought the dream, so live it until reality takes hold and shakes you sober again. "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:13 PM:
" Lviewlocal...I then apologize..its a common knee jerk reaction to the all too common question of "Why does anyone need..." such and such a gun...but the media has lied to most non gun owners...no one can own a fully auto weapon without having the license to do so..and gun shops are not selling assault weapons..they are selling semi autos that "look scary" thus the term "Assault rifle".... "
randyredneck wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:30 PM:
" Everyone needs to remember that it is the second amendment that guarantees the rest.
Why is it ok to refer to someone as redneck or racist if you disagree but illegal to use some other offensive words. "
Why is it ok to refer to someone as redneck or racist if you disagree but illegal to use some other offensive words. "
UW Squirrels wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:35 PM:
" reasonable1, where do you get your 600 rounds per minute number? Civilian AR-15 and AK-47 rifles are semiautomatic, not fully automatic. And most magazines only hold 30 rounds, so you'd have to reload 20 times and pull the trigger 600 times in order to get off 600 rounds per minute. I don't think you'll find many people in the world that can do that. The only essential difference between a hunting rifle and a civlian assault rifle is how it looks. "
Common_Sense wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:41 PM:
" Citizen Pote - you need to tell me who your supplier is, really.
I always find it funny when people use President-Elect Obama's middle name - to me it's like 'If I say it enough, people might start to compare him to Saddam Hussein". It's so very sad that Republicans are such sore losers.
I'm shocked you think anyone in politics could accomplish that laundry list of yours in 4 years. If it's so easy to get things done in this country, why have the Republicans not been able to fix any of the issues faced by Americans in the 8 years they have been in the Oval office? "
I always find it funny when people use President-Elect Obama's middle name - to me it's like 'If I say it enough, people might start to compare him to Saddam Hussein". It's so very sad that Republicans are such sore losers.
I'm shocked you think anyone in politics could accomplish that laundry list of yours in 4 years. If it's so easy to get things done in this country, why have the Republicans not been able to fix any of the issues faced by Americans in the 8 years they have been in the Oval office? "
ERICB454 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:46 PM:
" I find it funny TDN decided to run a picture with one the biggest hand guns in production. The S&W 500 is far from a self defense gun. Not only is the recoil a killer but there is no way it could be carried discreetly. Also the S&W 500 carries around a thousand dollar price tag and for less there are many more practical self defense calibers out there. "
ACP wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:07 PM:
" the 2nd amendment was put in place to give the people the ability to forcibly withstand government powers if they became to aggressive, as our forefathers did in founding this nation. Its no wonder our government now wants to limit it. the arms it was put in place to protect were not capable of the mass carnage of today's but neither were the governments the people are out manned and out gunned your vote is the only real political suppressor you have as feeble as that is and many chose to sell it for the elusion of change. Those that didn't buy guns and hope. "
citizen pote wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:11 PM:
" Ericb454, You're right about the S&W, but that is where gun control starts by banning weapons above a certain caliber. Banning high capacity magazines, etc. etc. until they are all gone. "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM:
" nothing at all wrong with the .500 smith...I carry a .454 Casull with me sometimes, just because I can..usually its a Glock .40..but I got the .454 for effect... "
pearl wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:55 PM:
" I carry a 9mm all the time, and I also own a number of guns. I mean why not own guns? itsAmericans to OWN AND BEAR ARMS! So I say let us buy and stockpile guns and ammo. The first country that tries ti invade America is going to have to fight us All. God Bless America. "
98632 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:00 PM:
" how many of you actually know what damage a gunshot does, no offense to any veterns. I have 1st hand knowledge of what that particular pain is like. You need .500 for effect fine but I promiss you I will be able to empty my 12rnd clip before you get your 3rd shot off, no this isnt a threat to anyone just simple fact the bigger the caliber the bigger the kick. "
worriedone wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:07 PM:
" paranoia will destroy you! think about this, you buy the guns. someone breaks into your home, steals them and then they are out on the street. What good does that do when you buy them? "
ANOTION wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:18 PM:
" re: worriedone. to answer your question... when someone breaks into your home, you exercise your right to protect yourself and your belongings within your own home and shoot the little rascal. "
RTLL wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:28 PM:
" Where was all this worry and paranoia when Dubya was running for his second term ? "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:29 PM:
" 98632..please dont preach to me about firearms..I own a mini arsenal...I am well aware of what guns are best used for what.... "
Thought wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:30 PM:
" Now that we are about to have a new leader one would think those that voted for him would accept his views and if that entails gun control they would gladly turn in their guns.. One should think BEFORE they vote not whine afterwards. YEAH YEAH I'm a republican but ya know what?? I didn't sell my sole to make a statement.........BTW for personal reasons I do not believe in guns but I do believe in everyones choice to own them.. Within reason.. Now is where it gets sticky.. Define reason!!! "
ronin wrote on Nov 13, 2008 3:37 PM:
" I have always found it fascinating how much trouble is caused by focusing on inanimate objects, examining and listing results ad nauseum rather than focusing on root causes, and relying on emotion rather than intellect. Earlier, someone mentioned that fanaticism is the problem. I tend to agree. Religious fanatics of any flavor give me the willies, as do people who embrace, support and dedicate to one cause to such an extent that that obsession robs them of a life, and blinds them to anything else. I am a gun owner, instructor, and shooting is a big part of my life. But I also sympathize with the opinions of individuals who haven't been raised with guns, were never trained in marksmanship, and really have no knowledge beyond that gleaned by watching 15 second clips on CNN. If you show that person a picture of a dead child, shot in a drive-by, such a persons reaction WILL be "oh my God, guns are bad!!. So, let's just accept that 10% of "commie gun grabbers" and 10% of "red-neck gun nuts" are not going to be reasoned with. For the rest, if you don't know anything about guns OR gun owners, make an effort to learn. And we as gun owners should try to understand that if people lack that knowledge, it is a complete normal thing to recoil in horror when watching a story about how some poor two year old caught a stray round in some idiotic gangland bullet fest. "
98632 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:05 PM:
" Gondolapete, I wasnt preaching to anyone, but if you think your the only person that these voiced concerns are addressed to get over yourself and stop with the kneejerk reactions. I made a comment, you dont like thats fine but dont accuse me of preaching to others when I am just trying voice my own thoughts. Yeah you have a mini arsenal good and more power to you. However, dont think you have the right to stop me from having my say. "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:12 PM:
" 98632..since you used the phrase "for effect" in response..im well aware who you were talking to..my point is this is not a competition to see how has bigger and better guns..its about our rights to own them...regardless of how practical or impractical they appear to be to others....every gun I own has a time and place.... "
98632 wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:22 PM:
" look again, I never used those words, they were your own...
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM:
" nothing at all wrong with the .500 smith...I carry a .454 Casull with me sometimes, just because I can..usually its a Glock .40..but I got the .454 for effect... " "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 13, 2008 2:17 PM:
" nothing at all wrong with the .500 smith...I carry a .454 Casull with me sometimes, just because I can..usually its a Glock .40..but I got the .454 for effect... " "
DUH wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:29 PM:
" ANOTION, "When someone breaks into your home, you exercise your right to protect yourself and your belongings within your own home and shoot the little rascal. " Is that supposed to be a valid argument? Especially since 95% of home break ins are done when no one is home? What good does the guns do you then? You going to hunt the "little rascal" down and shoot them? Oh wait, they now have your guns. Now what? "
American First wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:51 PM:
" DUH, not there is any validity to your point, but what about the other 5%? What if the little rascal you refer too is a big SOB? What then? What if your little rascal is armed? What then? Why do you refer to criminals as little rascals? Do you think they are cute, cuddly little things? "
bmoc wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:52 PM:
" Live by the gun, die by the gun. I'll leave it at that this time, Mr. Moderator. "
allaboutschools wrote on Nov 13, 2008 4:55 PM:
" Get a gun and learn how to use it well. Keep it locked and/or hidden. Forget the Taekwondo stuff just learn to shoot good. "
ucrackmeup wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:02 PM:
" No one wants their gun rights taken away, look what happened in Washington DC. Only the criminals have guns and crime went up. I say buy away gun owners "
1arealocal wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:12 PM:
" How might we ask is the new president going to take our guns???? I know the answer to this...HE is going to TAX ammo just like England did to tea back in the early days. He may have told us he wont touch our guns because he is too busy with other issues, but that doesn't mean he wont backdoor us with oppressive taxes on the ammo. Learn to reload folks and I got three words for us, stockpile, stockpile, stockpile. "
Liberty wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:40 PM:
" Write your legislators: OPPOSE 'Ammunition Accountability'*
There is an effort underway in all states to have the manufacturer of
weapons encode ammunition. The result: A DATABASE OF ALL AMMUNITION SALES,
so the geniuses in the government will know how much you buy and what
calibers. If the legislation passes, no one can sell any ammunition after June 30,
2009 unless the ammunition is coded and any privately held uncoded
ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. They will also charge a .05
cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least
$2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take
your gun! Check it out:
Washington House Bill
3359
If the link does not work go to www.leg.wa.gov and do a bill search for HB 3359 or check it out at www.ammunitionaccountability.org "
There is an effort underway in all states to have the manufacturer of
weapons encode ammunition. The result: A DATABASE OF ALL AMMUNITION SALES,
so the geniuses in the government will know how much you buy and what
calibers. If the legislation passes, no one can sell any ammunition after June 30,
2009 unless the ammunition is coded and any privately held uncoded
ammunition must be destroyed by July 1, 2011. They will also charge a .05
cent tax on every round so every box of ammo you buy will go up at least
$2.50 or more! If they can deprive you of ammo they do not need to take
your gun! Check it out:
Washington House Bill
3359
If the link does not work go to www.leg.wa.gov and do a bill search for HB 3359 or check it out at www.ammunitionaccountability.org "
DUH wrote on Nov 13, 2008 5:54 PM:
" American First, maybe you should read my comment a little closer. It was in response to ANOTION. It wasn't me calling them "Little Rascals". But why am I explaining myself to you? All I was doing was giving an example. I am NOT against guns at all. I am against people on here that feel a need to flex their muscle by bragging about the guns they own as if the only thing that dictates how big of man you are is the size of your firearm. "
sgourley2b wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:03 PM:
" This is happening all over the country and is the most pathetic thing to see and read. What is the gun going to get you? Oh yeah, that's right it will help to shoot that animal in the woods faster - where is the sport in that? If someone breaks in to your house, will you be able to get to your assault gun fast enough? - oh yeah, as long as you sleep with it - maybe. As for Dem's always coming in to take away your right to bear arms - puhlease,,, it doesn't happen that fast. Think back (those old enough to remember) to 1981, James Brady, who was shot by John Hinckley, Jr. during an attempted assassination of President Ronald Reagan on March 30, 1981. The Brady bill that required 5 days waiting period which was championed for over a decade by Brady's wife, Sarah Brady, was finally signed in November, 1993 - TWELVE years. Yup, Dem's are going to ruin it for you. All you have done is made the gun shops and manufacturers happier - mo' money. "
Roudyruss wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:07 PM:
" Liberty, I pulled up bill 3359 and that is one scary document! And of course not one word of it on the news or in the paper(thank you Daily Snooze). Who ever wrote that bill needs to be run out of the country!!! "
citizen pote wrote on Nov 13, 2008 8:40 PM:
" Common_sense, You voted for young Barry so your username is satire right? Anyway no one denies Barry will attempt any or all of what I listed. Don't answer the question, or address the issue. Just attack the skeptic right? Sound familiar anyone? You're all still 'giddy with hope' Well when the honeymoon is over and the campaign cash is gone what then? If the office requires no more than speeches and dancing with Ellen it will be fine. "
rockpit kid wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:22 PM:
" I totally agree with Ericb454. Nice job TDN printing the picture of a big scary gun. Clinton passed the assualt rifle ban to no effect. Even criticts will tell you it made no difference. Murders,robberies and violent crimes never dropped. What people have to understand is by passing any type of gun law that bans items or weapons only encourages illegal gun trade much like prohibition did with alcohol. You will be punishing legal gun owners who buy there gun legally from gun stores. Where do you guys thinks felons get there guns? Not gun stores!! "
Old Charlie wrote on Nov 13, 2008 10:10 PM:
" I support the right to keep and arm bears. And something to remember, "God, guns and guts made America great!" "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 14, 2008 2:23 AM:
" Montana last year two men broke into a home when a 12 year girl was there alone. She was a competition skeet shooter with the 12 gauge. She shot them both when they entered her parents room. 1 died in the house the other in the road. 1 of them was wanted for murder. The 2nd amendment is here to stay. Obama cant change that its unconstitutional the supreme court says so. You cant pick and choose what parts of the constitution to follow we follow all of it if you don't like it leave. "
Pierce Co. Repub. wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:17 AM:
" RE: reasonable1 "But please tell me what possible reason you might have for owning a weapon that fires 600 rounds per minute? " Any gun that could fire 600 rpm would be a class 3 weapon (unless you can move your trigger finger 10 times a second) and would be illegal in the state of Washington. Before everyone gets worked into a frenzy about AK's and AR's and the ilk, what percentage of crime is committed with a so called "Assault Weapon"? Very little if you look at the statistics. I'll keep my AR and AK thank you very much... "
Pierce Co. Repub. wrote on Nov 14, 2008 7:50 AM:
" Why yes "sgourley2b" - I do sleep not two feet away from a loaded pistol... I wonder how all of this ammo taxing and coding will effect the every day reloader? Will I have to buy coded powder? Will I have to destroy all of my reloads? Hmm... "
DW wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:36 AM:
" Remember Obama's statement about people who "cling to their God, and there guns" during the election? I don't trust BHO, and this new congress when it comes to my second amendment rights. I believe that the first thing this new congress will do when it comes to gun laws is to try to revoke our conceal carry permits. Folks that lawfully have a permit and carry are not the people we need to worry about. So here's my opinion of this subject. YOU DO YOUR THING, AND I'LL DO MINE. By the way, excellent coments ronin. "
skeezix wrote on Nov 14, 2008 8:58 AM:
" Old Charlie, Why on earth would you want to keep bears, let alone arm them? "I support the right to keep and arm bears." Is that so when they are completely fed up, they can shoot back at the guy in the bright orange vest? Just wondering..... "
Old Charlie wrote on Nov 14, 2008 10:03 AM:
" skeezix, Just adding a little humor, seems we been short of it lately. "
skeezix wrote on Nov 14, 2008 11:56 AM:
" Gotcha...the second line in your original comment led me to believe there may have been a typo. As for the humor, whether intended or not, I had a very nice chuckle over your post. "
tired wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:01 PM:
" Food for thought...The only reason the U.S. is not attacked and over ran is the fear of all the armed citizens.An armed populace keeps crime down,just ask the Canadians.After they took away gun rights several years ago their crime rate whent up 200+% that is a fact you can google if you would like.Just remember with out those gun rights we wouldn't be were we are today,we would still be sending taxes back to the King in England. "
DW wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:24 PM:
" And besides, one of the reasons we have the second amendment, is to protect the first amendment. That is unless the new congress re-enacts the fairness doctrine and tries to kill talk radio. "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 14, 2008 12:54 PM:
" For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
Thomas Jefferson "
Thomas Jefferson "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:01 PM:
" The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.
Thomas Jefferson "
Thomas Jefferson "
Nom D'Plume wrote on Nov 14, 2008 6:19 PM:
" "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." -Thomas Jefferson Don't forget, folks, that we have elected the most socialist president in the history of the U.S. His stance on gun control makes the Brady campaign look like NRA life members. He will do everything in his power to oppose the rights of the people to keep firearms. Remember that the 2nd Amendment was NOT ABOUT HUNTING. It was meant to keep free people free. As the chance arises, Obama will appoint new justices to the supreme court so that his law-suit-filing cronies can attack the 2nd amendment. Check his legislative record, it will tell the story. This man is simply Karl Marx reincarnated. He will come after our money, guns, and liberties. It is just a matter of time. "
1arealocal wrote on Nov 15, 2008 1:21 AM:
" That is why I will stay with my current mantra....Reload, reload, reload...my old brass isn't taxable, and let them try to come count it all. PS...if any of you dont keep your brass at the range just leave it in the coffee can near the exits for me.... "
rayk47 wrote on Nov 15, 2008 4:26 PM:
" People buy assault rifles because they represent the weapon of choice by American fighting men worldwide. These people should have joined the Army and joined us in going overseas. Take it from me, a Bravo Battery soldier. "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 16, 2008 3:07 AM:
" people buy assault rifles because they are fun to shoot and they are exercising their right as an american citizen, bottom line. No politician will be able to take away our guns, they can try but thats it. That is why America is so great. We have checks and balances in our government. "
all-right wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:56 PM:
" simple man,not so fast in your statements.politician's can take your guns away.the next president will appoint the next 2-3 supreme court justices.those justices will more than likely swing left with the party in power.the democrats in power will approve whoever obama picks.the second statement about checks and balances is that the democrats will have the majority vote now on any bill that comes across the desk,and a supermajority is hanging in the balance of a couple senate seats left to be counted. there will be no checks and balances for the next four years. "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 17, 2008 2:20 AM:
" You are right, hopefully the supreme court will hold true to their job and not swing too left. But taking away guns is a big move that would be detrimental to a lot of politicians. "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 17, 2008 3:28 AM:
" Let me restate myself. I HOPE your wrong all-right, but your probably not. I just like to think it wont happen. "
1arealocal wrote on Nov 17, 2008 10:05 AM:
" Man, I have to completely agree with the last four very simply posted blogs here. I wonder the horrors Thomas Jefferson, The original G.W., Hamilton, and Ben Franklin would feel if they saw what we were letting happen to the framework they built for us. "
enlightened wrote on Nov 17, 2008 11:26 AM:
" The FDA requires safety measures on countless merchansise for sale and with little protest. If a law is passed ( or even discussed)for safety measures to prevent a child from getting a hold of a weapon and firing this weapon some gun owners cry unfair.We have safety restrictions on on vehicles and registrations, but dare restrict a weapon or the NRA floods cyberspace and mailboxes with "Defend You Rights" propaganda.We own guns in our home that are locked in a safe. For many years my husband belonged to the NRA. A few years ago the radical views of the NRA and their harassing politcal calls forced us to leave their membership. When I asked them to quit calling they accused me of interfering with my husbands mail. They went as far as to accuse me of breaking the law opening renewal statements claiming I opened his mail. This organization has toxic power, and fuels scare throughout their memebers. We didn't buy their tactics, and for the life of me I can't fathom how their brainwashings continue. I will never understand the mindset of "Anything Goes" gun ownership even when children are lost every year from carelessness. If one child is saved from enforcing gun registration and manditory safey features the process is successful. "
loudly wrote on Nov 18, 2008 2:17 AM:
" intersting how the liberal suckup's dont want you to own guns but they don't blink and eye at the gov't's abundance of controls over you. Of course when they realize the mistake's they've made it will be too late. I find it intersting that they yell at our defense of the 2nd amendment while they defend the 1st and 4th. Don't liberal suck's realize that the 2nd amendment is the teeth for their defense of the other two? Without the 2nd amendment, we're all just subjects. But I have a feeling the Liberal's as well as the commie ACLU don't mind. "
baggins wrote on Nov 18, 2008 6:42 AM:
" Guns flying off shelves? It's simple -- fasten them down better (think velcro straps) or just leave them on the floor.
Guns DO kill people, but getting smacked in the head by one flying off a shelf can hurt, too! "
Guns DO kill people, but getting smacked in the head by one flying off a shelf can hurt, too! "
slynsingle wrote on Nov 19, 2008 7:14 AM:
" President elect Obama WILL enforce much stricter gun control laws as well as impose a substantial tax on firearms and ammunition. Typical, idiotic democratic thinking. Or shall I say lack of thinking? I am fine with the current background check and waiting period for handgun purchases, as well as the other rules for any firearms purchase. But enough is enough. Adding more regulation or banning altogether, only benefits the scum of society. Take Washington DC for example. This area has the most strict regulation regarding firearms of any US territory, yet this area has the highest crime rate(Murder being #1). Guns do not kill, the human pulling the trigger does! "
baggins wrote on Nov 20, 2008 2:54 PM:
" Technically, it's the piece of lead (or copper or steel) coming out of the barrel and ripping into vital organs and bones and blood vessels that causes the killing, although it does take a human finger, or dog's paw, or even a stick near a fence, to cause that to happen. Still, if guns are flying off the shelves at West Coat Loan and Gun, I think it would be prudent to wear head protection of some sort -- maybe a motorcycle helmet -- while shopping there. "
enlightened wrote on Nov 20, 2008 5:56 PM:
" slynsingle, you say "guns do not kill, the human pulling the trigger does" So little four year old Johnny who picks up a weapon and shoots his baby sister Susie is at fault? This is an example of what Obama is trying to introduce to force manufactuers to improve on safety features so a child can not fire a weapon. There are too many parents who are not responsible and do not use good judgement with firearms around their children. Gun restrictions are not necessarily to impair gun rights, but plain common sense and long overdue. "
1arealocal wrote on Nov 20, 2008 10:32 PM:
" RE; enlightened, there are plenty of gun restrictions and laws on the books already. There is no need for MORE new useless laws and restrictions. You said, "too many parents who are not responsible." THAT is the level this stuff needs to be, not the gov't encroaching further on our rights. The individual gun owner HAS to be responsible for THEIR own gun. Like this guy's daughter that died senselessly, that guy needs to be strung up with EXISTING laws, not punish the rest of us for an individual who clearly should not have owned a gun in the first place. "
Billy Hill wrote on Nov 21, 2008 5:16 AM:
" Ok, I will say it.....if you give a monkey a gun and he shoots somebody, you don't blame the monkey! "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 21, 2008 12:56 PM:
" enlightened, people kill people. bottom line murder was around for thousands of years before guns were ever around. The govt doesnt need any more ogf the rights that so many have died to secure. "
enlightened wrote on Nov 22, 2008 3:32 PM:
" How is anyone being punished by a simple feature that would stop a child from pulling a trigger?? I am all for responsible gun ownership, but sadly too many gunowners are not responsible. We own guns and they are locked away safely.Not every parent,or neighbor, or relative is safe or responsible. Simple man I am not addressing murder here, I am talking about accidental tragic loss that in some cases could be avoided with safety features. "
1arealocal wrote on Nov 23, 2008 12:45 AM:
" RE: enlightened, the most effective safety feature is responsible ownership. If you are referencing the tragic tale of the little girl who was recently killed in your post, she did not "pull the trigger". Her drunk, irresponsible father "accidentally" shot her in the head. Education and responsible ownership should be the keynote here not additional "add-ons or features" that translate into highr gun prices or more complicated guns to use. An unloaded locked gun cannot hurt anyone....unless it flies off the shelf and hits you in the head...that was for you baggins. "
dogshead wrote on Nov 23, 2008 6:46 AM:
" Loudly- the ACLU fights to PROTECT us from 'gov't abundant controls over you'....support them to protect your freedom! G-pete- what part of the 'well organized mililita' do you belong to? "
enlightened wrote on Nov 24, 2008 6:16 PM:
" No 1arealocal, I was speaking hypothetically about children who shoot children when guns are within their reach. I agree with you that responsible gun ownership should prevail but how do you police this? Saving the life of innocent children should trump any inconvenience or additional expense to the purchase of any weapon period. "
1209 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:41 AM:
" This article is the equivalent of the old office stunt where a minority gets promoted and the ignorant white coworkers start calling local gun shops to place orders that the newly promoted minority is sure to overhear. Stay classy Longview. "
Rosey Glasses wrote on Nov 25, 2008 4:52 PM:
" Now 1209, that is a racist remark if I have ever heard one... I am shocked that TDN let it go to post... and I am offended. You keep sounding like this and we might think you to be disgruntled and predjudice. You might think before you post. "
American First wrote on Nov 25, 2008 5:25 PM:
" enlightened, The key is education and exposure, this removes first interest and second fear. Fear is what's used now in an attempt to scare kids to stay away from firearms, rather then teaching kids about them. There is no reason to fear an object, how ever there is reason to fear the lack of knowledge of how to operate an object, a lot like a car. It's ridiculous that we don't teach our youth how to make a firearm safe (unload), or how to safely handle one. Locking up, restricting, or worse, criminalizing the ownership or possession of firearms is not the answer as some feel. I realize your not suggesting these type of actions, but using the term responsible gun ownership, leads people who are clueless to think there is no such thing and guns should be ban. For example responsible drivers don't drink and drive, yet it happens all the time and at what cost. Just my thoughts.... "
American First wrote on Nov 25, 2008 5:45 PM:
" Duh, I've been away for awhile, I read your comment to mine you posted on Nov. 13, your right I stand corrected.. "
1209 wrote on Nov 26, 2008 11:35 AM:
" I never had to resort to intimidating minorities in order to be competitive. This article is definitely a veiled threat to President Elect Obama. Smart move. The guy's only going to be President Of The United States. What could he ever do to a bunch of white supremacists in Longview, WA? Good luck on getting some of that federal stimulus funding for biodiesel and ethanol production at the old Reynolds Metal site. It's not like Longview could use the jobs. Interesting how legitimate concerns for our President Elect's safety aren't allowed for post. Why would TDN ever try to divert attention away from the safety for President Elect Obama? "
American First wrote on Nov 26, 2008 1:39 PM:
" 1209, What? I just read the article again, where is the threat you suggest? Where does it mention or suggest any racial tone you mention? Where is the attempt by TDN to divert attention away from obama's safety, or the safety of anybody for that matter? I don't see it in the article, but see plenty of it in your post. "
Simple Man wrote on Nov 27, 2008 10:23 AM:
" RE: enlightened, more people die in accidental car wrecks than negligent discharges from guns. Should we outlaw cars too? "
enlightened wrote on Nov 28, 2008 2:20 PM:
" Car accidents cause deaths, but the auto industry does implement safety features some through ingenuity and some via manditory regulation to help save lives. For example there are laws to help protect children in vehicles, with safety seats, seat harnesses ect. Guns do not drive us to work, or school, or to our healthcare provider. Comparing an accidental car death to a accidental child shooting another is not relevant to this debate. Never, was I hinting to outlaw guns, but to improve the safety. It is mind boggling that any person would balk at improving the safety or potentially saving an innocent life. "
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