Hilander receives eviction notice
Tuesday, November 11, 2008 12:30 AM PST
By Erik Olson
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E-mail this articleHilander Family Fun Center on Kelso Drive received an eviction notice Monday from the building's owner, Seattle-based Riverway SPE LCC.
The Cowlitz County Sheriff’s Office posted a notice of the eviction on the outside doors of the business Monday.
Riverway initially sought to eject the business about 18 months ago because owner Jim Springer fell $30,000 behind in rent payments. A judge tossed out the eviction because the Hilander had declared bankruptcy.
However, U.S. Bankruptcy Court Judge Paul Snyder denied Monday the Hilander’s request to delay the eviction. The Hilander is asking an appellate court in California to reinstate bankruptcy protection to ward off creditors.
The Hilander began renting the building, a former supermarket, from Riverway in 2003 after moving out of its original home across the street at 1509 Allen St.
Springer has invested at least $2.7 million in renovations to the building.
The Hilander has twice declared bankruptcy protection in an effort to remain open. The business owes 45 creditors about $1.75 million.
Last month, state Department of Revenue agents shut down the business after a bankruptcy court judge dismissed the bankruptyc claim. Springer owes about $385,000 in back sales taxes.
The business was then allowed to reopen by a Cowlitz County Superior Court judge as Springer appealed the dismissal of bankruptcy protection.
Leaving the Hall of Justice in Kelso on Monday afternoon, Springer said that Riverway was an “absentee landlord” with little concern for the Hilander and the community.
A message left for Matthew Green, the attorney representing Riverway, was not returned Monday.
Springer said he hopes the Hilander can reopen either at the current location or somewhere else.
“We’re exploring our options and hoping the public will again be patient,” Springer said.
“Something is always possible.”
frankenzombie wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:11 PM:
" What a waste of a good place. I really hope someone ends up buying it and actually pays their bills. "
PanDering wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:20 PM:
" Maybe Chucky Cheeze will move into it! It would have greater visability to passerbys than being hid in the Mall. "
mommy6 wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:27 PM:
" Maybe someone will put a skating rink in. Not picky about which old Hilander they use but that would be nice to see. "
LongviewFam wrote on Nov 10, 2008 3:38 PM:
" I didn't know they were still open until now. Thought this was a done deal several weeks ago. "
JoeShmo wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:00 PM:
" I would bet the landowner has someone to walk right in and take it over for a real cheap price. I assume most everything in the building is owned buy the state. "
racingrocks wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:52 PM:
" A purely political move.The owner doesnt care that the hilander is what gets the people into that plaza.I would bet that he already has something in the works for the building "
Roudyruss wrote on Nov 10, 2008 4:57 PM:
" I still can't figure out why Springer is not in jail for theft after "stealing" the tax money he collected. "
DS wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:11 PM:
" I suspect that "the bank" owns most of what is in the building. "
UW Squirrels wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:13 PM:
" Hopefully this ends it. Now a good, properly run business needs to move in there. "
DUH wrote on Nov 10, 2008 5:34 PM:
" racingrocks A purely political move? What? It was a legal one and a financial one. He wasn't paying rent. Now maybe the owner will get a business that will pay rent and the state will get somebody that pays taxes! "
momof1gand1b wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:02 PM:
" I wish they can wait until the girls high school bowling is over for all of this. Now they will have to ride the bus to the Triangle just so they can bowl that sure stinks. "
Pirate Wench wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:44 PM:
" Tomorrow the headline will be "Springer finds another chump to give him money he knows he won't pay back" "
Cheney119 wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:45 PM:
" Great another empty building in Longview Kelso. This is no victory for anyone. Bad business decisions by Springer, lost money by all his creditors, lost revenue for the state. I still don't understand why it was so important to move across the street. "
concerned wrote on Nov 10, 2008 6:59 PM:
" RE: momof1gand1b....do you know how pathetic thats sounds keep a failing business open just so some kids can bowl. I mean can someone tell me why the highschoolers are out bowling instead of staying at school and studying. What is the bowling teaching them.. are the kids gonna make a career out of bowling and joing the PBA???? I for one am glad its finally over Springer couldnt pay the rent or his taxes..this should have been done long ago!! "
beermanyoder wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:02 PM:
" finally....yay... took long enough...now bring in something good...has anyone heard of safari sams?
www.jungleoffun.com check it out its fun.maybe something like this will come to our area finally "
www.jungleoffun.com check it out its fun.maybe something like this will come to our area finally "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 10, 2008 7:13 PM:
" Business owners all across the land are struggling right now...I hope Springer is able to recover and give a one finger salute to his critics and the state... "
onmymind wrote on Nov 10, 2008 8:55 PM:
" Gondolapete, by collecting the money and not paying taxes, Springer has given all us the one finger salute. My family has bowled and eaten at the restaurant, but no more. It's time for Jim to give it up and close. "
Cowlick wrote on Nov 10, 2008 9:24 PM:
" Sad to see it close, but obviously it wasn't run well. I'm not sure why you guys think someone is just going to move in there and run a successful business, there's got to be alot of overhead in there. Oh wait, look at the other story on TDN, Greigoire's going to bail them out!!! "
loudly wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:10 PM:
" Hey Gondolapete what are you talking about? It sounds to me that Springer has been giving the "one finger salute" to the many people he owes money to. Is it your belief that he simply shouldn't have to pay his bills? Is that how you live? Decide not to pay bills and give a one finger salute to anybody who protests? That's a fine way to be a responsible citizen. "
tallsy wrote on Nov 10, 2008 10:15 PM:
" I do not feel sorry for Springer. He has dug a hole and now he can't get out. It is his fault that he hasn't paid his taxes. He should know better than not to pay his taxes. Now we have only one bowling Alley and it is the Triangle Bowl.
I do hope someone buys the Hilander and it stays open "
I do hope someone buys the Hilander and it stays open "
fencepost wrote on Nov 10, 2008 11:17 PM:
" The number one rule of accounting in a business: pay the tax man first, your employees second, your landlord third and everyone else last. The state, your employees, and your landlord can shut you down in a heartbeat. Everyone else has to come to you hat in hand to get paid. "
CR RES. wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:07 AM:
" I think it is time to close the place up. I worked for a small business that the owner tried so hard to keep open but due to the fact he was behind on taxes by 1mo. he decided to close the business so he did not have the state do it for him. But it is my understanding that Jim and Cindy springer have a real nice home in either vegas of reno. now i wonder where the tax dollars were spent.? "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:51 AM:
" yes,it is my belief he should not have paid his taxes... "
hick from the sticks wrote on Nov 11, 2008 5:21 AM:
" If I were to go the Hilander for dinner, and when the bill came, decided that I was not going to pay the "sales tax" protion of the bill.........what do you think would happen to me? Mr. Springer would most likely call the police and try to have me arrested, for defrauding an innkeeper....So why is it that this man can collect the tax dollars, but not pay them to the proper agency? It is called STEALING, plain and simple folks, so shouldn't some one call the police and have him arrested for defrauding the state? "
Resident wrote on Nov 11, 2008 6:37 AM:
" If a business owner runs the business poorly this is what happens. This is not something new with this guy. "
viper wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:01 AM:
" well maybe if he opens at another location that he might think about paying his taxes
when due just think with good business practices and paying your bills this would not have happened hey maybe he can ask the federal goverment to bail him out too why not the auto makers did and it fits all the the same examples set by wall street and the auto makers siphon off the profits don't pay any bills the only problem with the auto makers is who is going to bail them out next month this is just a temp fix and a waste of money there still going to go under as with no jobs and people no longer changeing cars every 2 years and keeping them for 10 years now I don't see how this is going to help just throwing alot of money at a problem thats going to fail anyway just another example of the new American way of business "
when due just think with good business practices and paying your bills this would not have happened hey maybe he can ask the federal goverment to bail him out too why not the auto makers did and it fits all the the same examples set by wall street and the auto makers siphon off the profits don't pay any bills the only problem with the auto makers is who is going to bail them out next month this is just a temp fix and a waste of money there still going to go under as with no jobs and people no longer changeing cars every 2 years and keeping them for 10 years now I don't see how this is going to help just throwing alot of money at a problem thats going to fail anyway just another example of the new American way of business "
yakity yak wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:51 AM:
" What is this now the 2nd or 3rd time? Maybe I should start printing tickets for Act 4!!! "
BIGDAR wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:22 AM:
" Mr Springers business may be broke but I would bet he and his wife are still quite OK financially. "
KristyC1978 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:35 AM:
" I hope that something good comes into town like some decent place to shop like Old Navy, Gap Something. The Mall is a Joke and the last thing Longview needs is another Mamma Pappa Business that can't pay their bills. Let's get some decent stores so we don't have to go to Portland. "
kellman wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:54 AM:
" 2 names come to mind when I think of what should become of this location. Dave & Buster "
concerned wrote on Nov 11, 2008 8:59 AM:
" Hey Gondola get a clue dude..Springer screwed the state and his employees by not paying them.. He got what he deserved. As for people not paying their taxes I just have one thing to say to you...GROWUP!!!! "
bmoc wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:09 AM:
" Gondola - it wasn't that he hasn't paid HIS taxes, but he didn't pay the taxes that his PATRONs paid. That's robbery, and you are a fool to support it. "
wecare wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:16 AM:
" I think they are just taking everything from the kids and they have nothing left no place to go so then they will resort to getting in drugs and god knows what! People need to think of who this all involves not just a place to go eat or bowl it's more than that. They need to have a place for our kids to go, not on the streets. "
KristyC1978 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:25 AM:
" Hello it was expensive to go to the Hilander anyways. Not many kids go there because they have nothing else to do. Kids need something they can afford on a teenager's budget not some over priced "FUN CENTER"! GOOD BYE NO FUN CENTER! "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:47 AM:
" I hate to say it, but the Fun Center wasn't why I went to the Plaza, I went there to either go to Subway or go to Rite Aid. The Center was the last thing on my mind. "
Rock of Angel Sue wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:54 AM:
" I would like to know when the parents will realize that they are allowing a man,"who their children look up to" show them time after time its ok not to pay your bills. If anyone of us did what he did; we would be in jail and out of work facing federal court due to the past taxes. I know we all fall on bad times from time to time. But how many try and hide behind our rich buddies. If i owe a bill i know its mine and no one is going to pay it for me. Maybe, if i sat around and boo hoo'd like springer maybe someone will pay my bills for me. Maybe he needs to look for another job instead of looking for the easy way out. "
onlyamom wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:06 AM:
" wecare- take a look around you. A bowling alley is not going to fix the drug problem here. "
cooky wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:09 AM:
" Maybe this time he will stay closed. I haven't spent anything in that place for over a year. I won't give my hard earned money to a help him especially since he doesn't help anyone but himself. I do feel sorry for his employees, but if I had worked for him I would of been looking for a new job a long time ago. "
Longview 88 wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:13 AM:
" It's time for Springer to throw in the towel. I think it was a good concept, but he has had enough opportunities to straighten things out, and he blew it. "
stag wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:20 AM:
" I agree with KristyC... Kids do need a place to go and I have talked with my wife about this as well. I think both cities, Kelso and Longview should just buy this man out right. I know that the taxpayer would have to fit the bill for his taxes and bills. But here is the thing that others should think about... At the Y.M.C.A. yes there is parking, but not very much. I would be very happy to give my kids $10 or $20 for them to stay there on friday nights from 8:00 pm to midnight. This money would give them a place to hangout, play games, bowl, or even dance. Everything is there and we won't have to buy anything... If there is a way to do this I think that it should be done. I also think that if this is done it should go to a vote to the people to take it over and not to a couple of people that sit around a table. I would also like to hear from others that like or dislike this idea. We as parents are getting something that will be good and for those that don't have kids are also getting something as well I think. Look, every family has kids and it would be a good place to take them if everyone knows that it is OPEN ALL THE TIME. "
kelsolady wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:29 AM:
" My hard earned cash hasn't been spent there since the first word of poor business. I hope Savianos reopens! I think Riverway Plaza needs an electric reader-board for the businesses in there, its so gloomy. Kelso is looking sad - maybe the public could quit complaining on here and go to a city meeting. "
problemsolver wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:47 AM:
" To wecare: Kids are getting into drugs and "god knows what" because they are not well supervised, not expected to take responsibility for their actions, and they lack the confidence they need to respect themselves enough to say no to something destructive and addicting...NOT because the Hilander is closing. Stop making excuses for what simply amount to bad behavior and poor choices. "
old bag wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:50 AM:
" to wecare: The way Jim ran his business is a poor example for kids. Take money that is not yours and spend it? What I'd like to know is how much Jim and his wife were taking right up to this time. And all of those "business" trips? What a farse. He should have stayed in town. He's just yanking another chain...and as I said...I'll bet they are still drawing nice wages. "
Rocko wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:12 AM:
" Bigdar you would lose the bet. and they own no home in vegas or reno! Bmoc, Robbery? youre kidding right? Its sad that so many people take delight in others misfortune. could be that they are descendents from Salem. that would explain the over the top witch hunt mentality that is displayed time and time again in these comments. "
Roudyruss wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:19 AM:
" Sounds like Springer still has some money somewhere with the comment about reopening at another location. "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:20 AM:
" as I have stated many times..I have ZERO sympathy for the state not getting their tax money..And I will continue to feel like that..as someone who probably pays more taxes than most of you to the state, I am entitled to think like that.. "
DUH wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Misfortune??? He brought it on himself. He pays himself $12,000 a month, doesn't pay his taxes, doesn't pay his creditors, and doesn't pay his rent, and you Rocko want to call it misfortune? "
who am I? wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:45 AM:
" I, personally don't take delight in any ones misfortune, but I also don't think we are responsible for someone's misfortunes either. Why should the owner of the property have to continue to have someone lease from him when they still owe him so much (30,000 behind, is a lot of money). If I was the owner, I'd want him out too in order to get someone who would PAY me, on time.
I look forward to the new business that will be in there. and I guarantee there will be one. I think they will be good for the area, IMO. "
I look forward to the new business that will be in there. and I guarantee there will be one. I think they will be good for the area, IMO. "
who am I? wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:52 AM:
" Gondolapete, you're right. you do have the right to think that way. I LOVE our Country! you have a right to think that way just as much as those of us that think he should be responsible for his actions and/or lack of actions (whether do to circumstances, poor choice OR combination).
have a nice day in our wonderful United States where we get to have our own opinions :D "
have a nice day in our wonderful United States where we get to have our own opinions :D "
who am I? wrote on Nov 11, 2008 11:55 AM:
" let me add, when I say I don't think we are responsible for someone elses misfortunes that doesn't mean I don't think we should care and help others. this is NOT a new situation, He's been helped and still finds himself in the same situation. I'm all for helping people that want to help themselves and not continue to need the SAME help over and over again if they are of capable mind/body. I'm just not so sure that that is the case here. "
lola*in*longview wrote on Nov 11, 2008 12:46 PM:
" WECARE My kids won't start using drugs because the Highlander closes, they will not be involved in crime either. They were raised to know that breaking the law and abusing your body is not acceptable. They have been to the Highlander on many times on the weekends with there friends. Now that it is closing doesn't mean that there is nothing for them to do. There are two movie theatres, another bowling alley, eachothers houses wher I am sure they can have a great time playing Rock Band and Dancing. I don't understand the people who say "they are taking the only thing the kids have" they have everything.
For the person who says the kids look up to Springer, they don't even know him, so I seriuosly doubt they look up to him. "
For the person who says the kids look up to Springer, they don't even know him, so I seriuosly doubt they look up to him. "
mamab wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:24 PM:
" Hey Rocko, I don't think you were reading these comments correctly... no one is take "delight" in this situation. What they are stating is that the man did NOT PAY the taxes that he COLLECTED FROM PATRONS. Robbery? Umm, ya! This man chose to continue with his big personal paychecks and screw over the rest of his employee's, creditors, landlord, and the state. "
lovingmom wrote on Nov 11, 2008 1:27 PM:
" Is Mr. Springer laughing at the state and the creditors in this cycle he has started? It may sound mean and in-humane, but I have seen and heard it happen... why can't the state and creditors whom he owe's money to, just relinquish his assets (if they can find them...)like his home, vehicle(s), whatever he has...just go and lock them up, sell them for the payments he owes them for... I know if you fail to pay house payment or rent, the lender/landlord will foreclose/evict you, if you fail to pay your vehicle, your lender will come in and tow your vehicle, so, what is the difference with this? oh, sorry, my bad... they rather play the game with him and complain, than to take care of the problem from the start...I really think this is a sad joke on his part... I pay my bills and my taxes and happy I don't have lenders, the state or creditors knocking on my door... He must get the thrill of it all... I am sure there are many other place other than the Hilander for kids to go to and enjoy. "
KJM wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:53 PM:
" mommy6-amen to the skating rink! If I could afford it I'd buy the place and do that. A rink run properly would BOOM here. "
southbound wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:56 PM:
" Sorry to see the Hilander go,but on a positive note there is rumour that Olive Garden has applied for a permit and will go in next to Target. "
No Nickname wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:58 PM:
" There are other things that kids can be doing late nights on the weekends. I know of computer gaming center in West Longview that is pretty busy and a good safe teen hangout. "
missymae wrote on Nov 11, 2008 2:59 PM:
" I think the owners of triangle bowl should buy the hilander they have done such a great job with the triangle way to go TRIANGLE OWNERS GREAT JOB . "
LongviewFam wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:05 PM:
" WECARE, the kids didn't go there anyway. Darn near, EVER. That's why Springer's in trouble. It wasn't a fun place for teens to hang out unless they had money to spend (ie, lose on the games). Lola is right. They'll find other places to go and are fine. My teens are finding things to do that don't involve the Hilander, drugs or being on the street. There are school games, sports, dances, movies, bowling at the Triangle, each other's homes, church activities and plays. One business doesn't run a town. Sad to see it fail, but it was poorly planned and operated. "
Rocko wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:16 PM:
" Mamab, look up ROBBERY in the dictionary. Duh, an undesirable or unhappy event or circumstance is the definition to misfortune. I'm sure this was not a desired or happy event. I agree that he brought this on himself, but its not ROBBERY. misappropriation of funds;to take something, especially money, dishonestly, or in order to use it for an improper or illegal purpose. Thats what he may be guilty of. so, I stand by my last comment. "
who am I? wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:17 PM:
" I believe something is already in the works. watch and see, it won't be long until someone is in there fixing it up to reopen for business! "
loudly wrote on Nov 11, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Gondolapete, you are more than welcome to have any view you like, as silly as they may be. Your first post said he should give the one finger salute to his critics AND the state. You were implying that anybody that was owed money by him were in the wrong to expect payment. That's just plain dumb. Additionally, we all pay taxes. That's how government works. That's how the road you use everyday was built, that's how the pipes that carry your water to you were built, that's how your schools were built, etc etc etc. The bottom line is to pay your taxes, creditors as with this case, they'll give you chance after chance after chance to do the right thing. Unless of course you thumb your nose at them. Wait a minute! It's sounds like Springer may have followed your advice in the first place. Hmmmm, maybe he should sue you for giving him bad business advice. "
Ms. Z wrote on Nov 11, 2008 4:57 PM:
" Why is this constantly being considered newsworthy? The man failed at business, simple as that. When Franks Cellar closed down, not due to poor business practice but lack of community support, I didn't see people up in arms to keep them open. Weekly reports on crooked business practices and people crying out that they lost their babysitter yet nothing about someone who worked hard and tried to bring something different to Longview and fails because of no community support. Lets talk about those people who work hard, follow the rules and still cannot make it because people are not standing behind them. "
ratkins wrote on Nov 11, 2008 7:11 PM:
" I don't think I would have put so much money into a rental!! I feel bad for the guy though, everytime I have stopped by the Highlander, it was pretty much dead. During these hard times it is hard for the average Joe Family to go and blow money on funtimes, so it does figure. Good fight though. "
Rocko wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:03 PM:
" Duh, bowlingalleygirl is responding to who am I?s comment. Im sure her point is that although $30,000 seems like a lot of money, its only 1 month rent. "
Ds wrote on Nov 11, 2008 9:26 PM:
" I expect that most of us could not imagine losing the amount of money that the Springer's have lost, I doubt if they have anywhere near as much left as people are spectulating. I hope no one is taking any pleasure in this as there are no winners. "
sbgirl wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:00 PM:
" why are all of you guys so negative? yes he screwed up do you honestly think he doesn't know that? all you guys say kids don't like going there..then why are there always kids there on the weekend especially during rock and bowl? kids don't go there but they have bowling leagues for school. apparently you guys need to open your eyes and look around. A LOT of people go there. a lot of comments saying sad to see it go, then why do a lot of you NOT go if you don't want to see it go? more than 50 employees lost their job. we didn't screw that up. its a great place for families to go. it's safe even if parents decide to let their kids stay while they do something. we lose another place for people to interact, and now it's harder for all of us to be able to find a job. i know people who've been looking awhile and can't find anything. don't tell us its so easy to go and find something else because honestly no its not. who wants to work in fast food? thats all this town is is fast food, banks, and bars. pretty much NOTHING for kids to do around here now. "
Buford McGee wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:12 PM:
" Go Jim. As long as he provides activity for children, and keeps them off the street, he has my support! "
Gondolapete wrote on Nov 11, 2008 10:16 PM:
" I will say it again..as it seems the need to say it again is here...I enjoy it when I hear people dont pay their taxes..NEXT!!!!!!!!!!! "
pearl wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:20 AM:
" well lets see AIG is going to the goverment and so is the auto makers, as well as wall street . So why dose'nt the Highlander? I like the place but enough is enough. I say let them all fall we will rebuild. Bad ceos means bad business . good luck to all in finding a new job. "
loudly wrote on Nov 12, 2008 4:12 AM:
" Hi Buford McGee, I am starting a gym. I'll only charge your kids $15 per night and if they're not spending any money, I'll kick them out. But hey, i'm providing an activity for your kids, that way you don't have to. After all, It's up to the community to babysit for you isn't it? I am really getting tired of all the so called "parents" who dont do any parenting at all, they expect their kids to be babysat by the area businesses. Wake up peep's your kids are becoming just like you. From what I read in the paper everyday, that's not a good thing! "
No Name wrote on Nov 12, 2008 5:39 AM:
" First I think it's terriable these days that any business goes under. Reality however is that this guy was way over his head, or he just has a big head. Good for the community huh, well there has been a lot of comments about all the state taxes he owes. What about CITY OF KELSO taxes, the very community he depends on for business. I suspect he's into KELSO well over $60,000.00 in unpaid taxes. Maybe TDN should report on that and we all can feel more sorry if that's a correct sentence.
Hopefully a new owner with business since will buy the place and make a go. "
Hopefully a new owner with business since will buy the place and make a go. "
who am I? wrote on Nov 12, 2008 7:45 AM:
" I do realize the monthly payments are large and even knew that that could be just 1 month. I still stand by my words. that is a lot of money (even if it's only 1 month behind). it's not like he JUST got behind, he's been behind and still owes it. a land ownder shouldn't have to indefinitely keep somebody on when they can't catch up to what they owe them. let someone else come in and make a go of the place. I believe it will turn out to be a really GOOD thing for the community, when it's all said and done. there WILL be someone in there. there WILL still be a place to go once they make update and make any changes they want to the place.
and I don't agree at all with "but it's the only thing for kids to do". my kids have grown up and very rarely hang out there. could count on 1 hand the times they have over the years and they aren't into drugs and out there causing trouble. "
and I don't agree at all with "but it's the only thing for kids to do". my kids have grown up and very rarely hang out there. could count on 1 hand the times they have over the years and they aren't into drugs and out there causing trouble. "
Thought wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:21 AM:
" Springer owes about $385,000 in back sales taxes. Thats money he has collected and not paid!! You paid him taxes and he kept it.. In my book that spells " THIEF ". Sorry for those that support this joker but he needs to go down!! "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 12, 2008 9:41 AM:
" Kind of funny, he can't pay his taxes, rent, bills, etc. But he's exploring the option to possibly open somewhere else? I guess since he's pocketed the money that went to his TAXES! I guess he can open anywhere. It just shows he wants his cake and Eat it too. "
clay1976 wrote on Nov 12, 2008 1:59 PM:
" I think a pay-day loan business would be an appropriate replacement. We could use a big one. "
sbgirl wrote on Nov 12, 2008 2:45 PM:
" Kelso Resident... do you really have to be that rude? that's just low to even say that he's using that money for that. don't you have anything better to do than just sit on here and bash the guy? "
ml in longview wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:14 AM:
" according to news storys he has paid thousands back in a short amount of time maybe he should move back to the old building ,get rid of the overhead from the new building and keep on paying his creditors .my family would keep going to spend family time there. "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 13, 2008 9:50 AM:
" To sbgirl: I didn't know the truth was being rude. What Else is he using the money he should be paying his bills, debt, and taxes. I look at all the evidence that has showed up, he hasn't paid his rent (He's being Evicted). He hasn't paid his creditors (He's filed for Bankruptcy). He hasn't paid his taxes (The Government shut him down). Now he's checking out his options to open at another location? if this guy is having these kinds of problems how can he even consider opening at a new location? Something isn't right. I pay my bills, and taxes but he can't? My problem is the fact that he's stayed open a lot longer than he should have. It's a known fact that the business has shut down more than once because of his inability to properly distribute his money. I'm still upset at the fact that when the Highlander was first closed down do you know where he was? He was in Las Vegas while his employees were being kicked out of their job. So yes I have to be hard on someone who doesn't take his business seriously. If speaking the truth offends you than you can just skip what I have to say. "
sbgirl wrote on Nov 13, 2008 12:58 PM:
" Kelso Resident... my point is you think you knew exactly what was going on and you don't. I worked there so I know more of what you know. Yes him being in Vegas when it happened the first time wasn't easy, especially for the guy who had to call everyone because Jim was not there. just because he's looking at new options doesn't mean HE'S going to be running it...ever thought of that. maybe until you know what's going on you really shouldn't be putting your two cents in on something you're not completely clued in on... "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 13, 2008 1:57 PM:
" To sbgirl: This is the last time I'm going to post on this issue till a update is out. I'll go by evidence there is floating out there, and there is a lot of evidence all of it doesn't look good. That's all I have to say for now. "
eyesincowlitz wrote on Nov 13, 2008 7:26 PM:
" Went to my bank today to try their new coin machine it was full so it wa out of order ? So I went to another credit union to cash in the coin. Jim was dumping a big bag of coin in. After he was done I cash in my coin and went to teller with receipt, was back at the coin machine dumping another bag of coins I seen the amount. I wonder if he will pay income taxes on all that coin??? "
flash wrote on Nov 14, 2008 1:23 AM:
" sbgirl,it's a losing battle to argue over any of these points.Some are right, some are wrong.To educate some of these people on some of the true facts would be a wast of time and energy.They have lost nothing,while we have lost our livelihoods,and finding another job,ya right. I have to wonder how many of them have been out looking lately,if they have they wouldn't think it to be so easy right now.How many have taken a good look at the unemployment rate here locally?If your bored take the time to look.I would however,like to clear up one thing just to prove that not everything being said is true once again.If I hear one more comment on how his employees were not being paid I'm going to scream,and I hope it shakes all of this community.I as an employee have**(ALWAYS)**received a paycheck from Mr.Springer.I don't know where your getting your information from CONCERNED but again false information!I'm not saying I agree with all the decisions made, but if your going to make accusations at least get them right. "
longview family wrote on Nov 15, 2008 10:11 AM:
" Flash
I'm sorry about your lose of a job. But I wonder were your taxes paid as they were taken out of you check? You might want to see how you have been ripped off yourself. If he hasn't paid his bill's I doubt if he has paid yours. Maybe no tax return for you. something to think about. "
I'm sorry about your lose of a job. But I wonder were your taxes paid as they were taken out of you check? You might want to see how you have been ripped off yourself. If he hasn't paid his bill's I doubt if he has paid yours. Maybe no tax return for you. something to think about. "
flash wrote on Nov 15, 2008 6:42 PM:
" longview family,actually yes my taxes on that had been paid it was verified by my union rep and the unions laywer..But thanks for your concern.. "
ThunderStorm98626 wrote on Nov 16, 2008 1:16 AM:
" Frankly, Jim should have put one of his finest and most loyal workers in charge and then it wouldn't be in quite such the mess it's in now. Granted, there would still be the bad economy affecting it, as with every other business in town that isn't a chain... However, Mike Barnes, a long time employee at the Hilander, would have managed the financial end of the place better than Springer obviously did. While there are those that can disagree with me, but knowing Mr. Barnes as personally as I do, I KNOW for a fact the Hilander would not be in such dire straits if he'd been left in charge of it a decade ago. "
bowlingalleygirl wrote on Nov 16, 2008 6:34 AM:
" No problems with our Social Security being paid either if anyone was wondering. Just received my latest statement and its right on. "
idevestate wrote on Nov 16, 2008 8:25 PM:
" Someone should just buy the hilander. And hire all the old employs "
just a thought wrote on Nov 17, 2008 8:27 AM:
" My family was supported by working at the Hilander also. Up till now we have always received a paycheck and had the taxes paid, my concern now is that has anyone that worked there received thier last paycheck??? I know we haven't. By law I believe we were supposed to receive it within 48 hours, I could easily be wrong, so I'm sorry if I am misinformed. I am getting very concerned though because without that check we won't be able to pay our utilities this month. I hope we haven't been supporting Springer for nothing. I agree with idevestate, I hope that somebody takes over the Hilander and hires the old emploees. Jobs you can support your family on are scarce. "
akampfer wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:21 AM:
" It's too bad really. Longview is now down to one bowling alley which will hurt the economy further since tournaments won't come here. Plus, they had really great fish and chips. "
dalefanfromwa wrote on Nov 17, 2008 9:46 PM:
" Ok...I see many names here repeating the same things that they said all the other times Hilander closed. It is what it is people...Get over it! As for Concerned's statement as to why the kids aren't in school. The bowling league is an after school activity. If you want to know what bowling can teach them, take a good long look at the owners of the Triangle.Beau went to college on scholarships he received from his bowling affiliation. My daughter & son both were bowlers on their school team all through high school. Akampfer is right about no tournaments coming in. But the fish & chips at Triangle beat Hilanders. Give them a try. "
banana hammock wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:52 AM:
" I have to say, I have disagreed with Jim on many issues, mostly political, but I have to give him credit and show some appreciation. He did take a chance in this community, a chance many have not especially on that level. He tried to invest in the community. I believe he went a little grandiose but he had high hopes. Don’t we all?
Thanks for Trying Jim!!
An interesting side note is that Jim is a democrat and I would think that he would have a little more support from the left. Why are you so down on him for shaving a few taxes? Are you that upset that you won’t have that money to distribute yourselves?
I’m sure there are others out there to help you support you programs. I’m thinking maybe they should open it up as a holding spot for deportation?
What do you think? "
Thanks for Trying Jim!!
An interesting side note is that Jim is a democrat and I would think that he would have a little more support from the left. Why are you so down on him for shaving a few taxes? Are you that upset that you won’t have that money to distribute yourselves?
I’m sure there are others out there to help you support you programs. I’m thinking maybe they should open it up as a holding spot for deportation?
What do you think? "
just a thought wrote on Nov 18, 2008 1:23 PM:
" I was mistaken, he does have until the 20th to get last paychecks out. I'm sorry for the misinformation. Now lets just hope we actually get them. "
idevestate wrote on Nov 18, 2008 9:05 PM:
" People who worked at the Hilander should get their paycheck because you can't just work for the business and not get your money just because the owner forgot to pay his taxes. Anyway isn't that against the law not to pay your employs even if the business goes out of business. "
mom of four wrote on Nov 19, 2008 3:05 AM:
" Kelso Resident: you are a 100% correct in everything you said. sbgirl: You must be one of the relitives that he has working there, or you are a very naive person. "
sbgirl wrote on Nov 20, 2008 11:04 PM:
" mom of four...actually NO i'm not a relative of theirs. i worked there. how does it make me naive?? i'm just stating a fact that we knew more of what was going on than the community did. "
Press wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:00 AM:
" I agree with some of you that it is too bad to see a business go down.
It just depends on how it went down?
If the owner was doing other things other then overseeing his business well then yes he deserves to have the state lock his doors up.
I do not want to sound like some one who is having a "Crab Mentality" no one has the the right to ridicule its also said to be a sin in the bible.
I have made mistakes but i and no one else wants to hear the constatnt harping of one who is all talk no action.
Some of you in here have made some thoughtfull suggestions and thats a move in the right direction.
Highlander has been an icon in many persons lives who were born and raised up in Cowlitz County area most or all thei lives and Springer with out a doubt should have been more responsible.
The people in here ridiculing and critisizng should eet together in some venue and pool together your funds and come up with a youth after school center and on weekends make it into a big brother big sister club where kids can come in and be given respect and have an option of things available for them such as sports, tutoring, teen counciling services, workshops on things that would help their future.
Some LGU or government should even also consider something such as this that I have mentioned.
People use to complain about commerce cruising being bad for teens "
It just depends on how it went down?
If the owner was doing other things other then overseeing his business well then yes he deserves to have the state lock his doors up.
I do not want to sound like some one who is having a "Crab Mentality" no one has the the right to ridicule its also said to be a sin in the bible.
I have made mistakes but i and no one else wants to hear the constatnt harping of one who is all talk no action.
Some of you in here have made some thoughtfull suggestions and thats a move in the right direction.
Highlander has been an icon in many persons lives who were born and raised up in Cowlitz County area most or all thei lives and Springer with out a doubt should have been more responsible.
The people in here ridiculing and critisizng should eet together in some venue and pool together your funds and come up with a youth after school center and on weekends make it into a big brother big sister club where kids can come in and be given respect and have an option of things available for them such as sports, tutoring, teen counciling services, workshops on things that would help their future.
Some LGU or government should even also consider something such as this that I have mentioned.
People use to complain about commerce cruising being bad for teens "
Press wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:10 AM:
" (part two)(Commerce..
when in factcommerce was a safe activity many teens wer safe and not sneaking off to out of the way beer parties (Kegger's)and driving for miles drunk where fatality would have been an issue more if cruising had not exsisted.
Its not easy owning a business in the local area and to imagine some one flapping their trap off about ma and pa establishments and when your kids play sports or need sponsorships who do yyou all run up to for support?
Three rivers mall is huge and should offer more for the community and it's customer's.
Parking lot is huge to get some good name bands here to entertain as an encentive for good patronage.
That mall brings in enough revenue to help sponsor events anywhere for people to attend and enjoy at the same time.
The Three River's Mall needs to get involved same like the big fancy 3rd world malls do over here in the Philippines.
If they can be very involved in community why not in a richer county such as Cowlitz County? "
when in factcommerce was a safe activity many teens wer safe and not sneaking off to out of the way beer parties (Kegger's)and driving for miles drunk where fatality would have been an issue more if cruising had not exsisted.
Its not easy owning a business in the local area and to imagine some one flapping their trap off about ma and pa establishments and when your kids play sports or need sponsorships who do yyou all run up to for support?
Three rivers mall is huge and should offer more for the community and it's customer's.
Parking lot is huge to get some good name bands here to entertain as an encentive for good patronage.
That mall brings in enough revenue to help sponsor events anywhere for people to attend and enjoy at the same time.
The Three River's Mall needs to get involved same like the big fancy 3rd world malls do over here in the Philippines.
If they can be very involved in community why not in a richer county such as Cowlitz County? "
Press wrote on Nov 25, 2008 9:19 AM:
" dalefanfromwa???
The best and well known Alasakan Halibut Fish N Chips known in Cowlitz county for over 52 years is a ma and pa restuarant known as Cap'n Yoby's.
I have tried the triangle bowls version and it was "God awfull!)
The rest of what you said was all good.
Good Luck God Bless us! "
The best and well known Alasakan Halibut Fish N Chips known in Cowlitz county for over 52 years is a ma and pa restuarant known as Cap'n Yoby's.
I have tried the triangle bowls version and it was "God awfull!)
The rest of what you said was all good.
Good Luck God Bless us! "
Longview 88 wrote on Nov 25, 2008 10:12 AM:
" I recently ate at Cap'n Yoby's. That was the worst fish I have had in a long time, and the restaurant was DIRTY. I have had frozen fish sticks that tasted better than their fish. "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:06 AM:
" To Longview 88: Did you make a complaint? I eat over there all the time when I have the money and their food is great. In Fact they are the only restaurant I'll eat at in kelso. "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 28, 2008 11:09 AM:
" I read a comment that was posted afew days ago it stated something along the lines of someone buying the highlander and hiring back the employees I'm just curious I can tell that the employees have a fondness for their business, why don't they ban together and buy it? get a small loan to get it back off the ground and make it work. I'd rather eat there if I knew that the people who own and run it took more care than Springer did. Make it a Co Op like how Winco is. I promise that if they banned together to do that, a lot more people would eat there knowing that the taxes and so forth would be taken care of. I know I'm one of them. "
Longview 88 wrote on Nov 28, 2008 6:52 PM:
" Kelso Resident,
I did in fact make a complaint as I left, but it fell on deaf ears. That day, the tables were dirty and there was spilled pop on the floor. It was not busy either. I just set down a bunch of napkins. As for the fish, it was dried out and had almost no taste to it. I used to eat there often about 15 years ago, and was quite surprised at how bad it was. When I commented all I got was a "Thanks, we'll see if we can do better next time." No apology or anything. I won't be returning. "
I did in fact make a complaint as I left, but it fell on deaf ears. That day, the tables were dirty and there was spilled pop on the floor. It was not busy either. I just set down a bunch of napkins. As for the fish, it was dried out and had almost no taste to it. I used to eat there often about 15 years ago, and was quite surprised at how bad it was. When I commented all I got was a "Thanks, we'll see if we can do better next time." No apology or anything. I won't be returning. "
Kelso Resident wrote on Nov 29, 2008 11:24 AM:
" to Longview 88: The only info i can give is try to contact the health inspector for resturants. Because if it's that bad, you have the right to let them know, they'll send over a rep and examine the place if it fails they can shut them down till they get all the problems fixed. "
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