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History and high anxiety as Campaign '08 closes

Tuesday, November 4, 2008 12:05 PM PST

By Calvin Woodward
The Associated Press

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WASHINGTON — Every presidential election is for the history books. This one is for the ages.

On the Democratic side, the first black nominee of either major party is bidding to become the first black president. In his quest, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama has infused the American political experience with enormous rallies, speeches that can captivate and the electric energy of motivated young supporters — altogether, a combination not seen in generations.

Republicans, in choosing Arizona Sen. John McCain and Sarah Palin, paired a man of deep experience, compelling background and a stubborn independent streak with the first woman ever on a GOP ticket.

It's a singular moment. So why all the long faces?

Americans go into the presidential, congressional and governors' elections Tuesday in a state of anxiety about the future that is also well beyond the norm.

It's the second presidential election in a row to be contested in the crucible of two wars. It comes with the nation's financial bastions in crisis, the stock market in convulsions and government exposing taxpayers to vast new quantities of public debt in an effort to restore equilibrium to the economy. None of this stands still for the next president, who will be the nation's crisis manager from Day One.

His performance in office will inevitably depend in large measure on the makeup of Congress, another drama for voters to settle on Election Day.

In the House, with all 435 seats to be filled, Democrats go into the election with a 37-seat advantage and prospects for padding their majority. Normally, a party's dramatic gains in one election are tempered in the next, but these are not normal times. Of the 60 or so House races that are considered truly competitive, the great majority are Republican — theirs to defend or lose.

Stakes are at least as high in the Senate, where Democrats have a mere two-seat edge and are fighting to pick up six or more. Thirty-five Senate seats will be settled in the election. There are also 11 races for governor.

If trends hold, a President McCain would be quickly tested on his reputation for working with the other side during his quarter-century in Congress. Without that skill, he would be hard-pressed to get much done. A President Obama, too, would need to bridge divides — not only between parties but also within his own — in asking Congress to make his ambitious agenda law.

In the Senate for less than four years, Obama was a state lawmaker in Illinois when the U.S. went to war in Afghanistan and then in Iraq. Obama's opposition to the Iraq war from the beginning set him apart from his main primary rival, Hillary Rodham Clinton. His pledge to withdraw combat troops in 16 months distinguishes him now from McCain, who opposes any timetable and asserts the troops should come out as conditions merit.

Both men have proposed far-ranging and expensive plans to broaden health coverage. McCain proposes a tax credit and increased competition. Obama would mandate coverage for all children, require larger companies to contribute to insurance costs and offer various incentives to make insurance more affordable. Both pledge middle-class tax cuts while Obama alone would raise taxes on wealthier Americans.

Obama, 47, came to national attention with his speech to the Democratic convention in Boston in 2004, a barn-burner that summoned Americans to look beyond the factional politics of red states and blue states. It was a pitch he polished through the long slog of the primaries, when he proved his draw as a money-raising champion. The Democrat has shattered records for money in politics, raising $150 million in September alone and more than $600 million in the campaign.

McCain, 72, brought to the campaign a long-established presence as a fighter against pork-barrel spending, a senator willing to buck his own party and a foreign-policy maven who stood for a concerted war effort in Iraq when that position was nearly political poison. McCain once rarely talked about his trials and torture over more than five years of brutal captivity in a Hanoi prison during the Vietnam war. In this campaign, he and his supporters have talked about it often, as testament to the resolute nature he would bring to the presidency.

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Anderson82 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:05 AM:

" YES! The day of OBAMA winning this election has finally arrived! OBAMA IS GOING TO WASH THE RREPUBLICAN"S RIGHT OUT OF THE WATER! It is going to be awesome. Get your cleenex now Republican's, because you are going to be so so so sad when Obama wins tonight and our country finally gets a leader who can help, rather then HURT our country. Be against the Demorcrats all you want, you will see when our nation improves and gets out of the mess our current President, not to mention is as smart as my left pinky toe, has gotten us in.
OBAMA OBAMA OBAMA "

Just MY Opinion! wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:40 AM:

" Anderson82 your comments fall right in line with your parties views you all just a bunch of jack@$$*$. Your mascot was well picked! This is why Obama winning will hurt this nation more than anything McCain could do. Once Obama gets into office you spoiled teenage minded kids will believe your owed everything from those who actually work hard at getting what they have. This country gives plenty of opportunities to kids so they can go to college and be one of those evil rich folks especially to minorities so please stop acting as if your being held down. Its no ones fault but thiers maybe if they work as hard at making life better as they do holdinig a hand out they'll get somewhere. Free speach will disappear because as always if you don't agree with dems then your just an ignorant racist. Yes the great messiah Obama will bring change to this country but it won't be for the good. So be giddy about Obama and your redistribution of wealth checks and welcome to the USSA(United Socialist States of America)! "

country gal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:51 AM:

" I don't have confidence in either one of them but I voted. "

Kelso Gringo wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:53 AM:

" It is not just a great day for Democrats, it is a great day for most Americans. Obama is a true leader of the people who is concerned about the middle class. McCain's downfall was choosing Palin as a running mate. That made the choice easy for any halfway intelligent person! "

RealityCheck wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:54 AM:

" Anderson82 - Let's talk in a couple of years.......... "

havnfun wrote on Nov 4, 2008 8:57 AM:

" anderson82,this maybe true, but one must remember that back in the 1930s in another country (Germany)the people did chant the name of their chosen leader.its nice to see that you voted for a person that has a half-brother in Africa that lives on one dollar a month, and if cares that much about blood then good luck to this country, because will need it as, for your pinky toe teach it to use spell check. AMABO AMABO AMABO "

Lucky7 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:02 AM:

" Come on JMO - Let us Obama supporters celebrate! It's not just the Obama victory, It's the end of the George W. Bush era! Hurray!!!! You've bought in to the republican mantra, you've bought in the to fear mongering utilized by the McCain/Palin ticket that only works with your core. You've bought in to the idea that it's ok for the middle class to bail out Wall ST., and wall St. can keep our money and in the case of AIG spend 23 million on a fancy corporate retreat immediatley after getting thier 85 billion dollar tax payer bailout. It's time for change and Obama is the only candidate offering it, which why he's so far ahead in all the non fox news polls! Somewhere about 4-6 p.m. I figure I'll be doing a victory dance and I'm feeling all giddy about it, YIPPEE!!! "

somedude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:06 AM:

" Anderson82, it is so sad to see that you have been easily fooled like the rest of the Brainless people who are going to vote for this Jr. Senator, who has no experience what so ever and who changes "his plan" for America at least three times a week. And Gringo, Palin has way more experiance then Obama has and that's a fact! Obama is a good speaker and nothing else, he would make a great preacher just like his Good old buddy he threw under the bus a few month's back! "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:32 AM:

" When considering being fooled lets not discount how all of us were fooled into thinking the stupid war was a good idea. When the history books are written about how the last 5 years have been the complete train wreck that anyone with an open mind already knows, then all you pro McSame talking heads will be the ones thinking of the bad judgement and poor advice you gave out leading up to today. In reality the worst of you really do what Obama to win so you can spend the next 4 year blaming it all on the Demos. I am fine with that but be honest to yourself and remember how good things were under Clinton and realize the reality and truth is not that hard to imagine. You have to just want to believe and for some of actually come out of the basement long enough to see the light. We will welcome you with open arms and warm wishes. Regardless, please vote and as always Good Luck! "

louie wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:36 AM:

" Obama has more savvy and class in his little finger, and so does his wife Michelle, than the McCain camp. The Republicans ran a campaign of bashing the other candidate period. Even their bashing had no creedence. They are whiners and poor losers and tout religion which is based on bringing people together, something they are unable to do. I hope when this election is all over and the votes are all counted the Democrats and Republicans will come together in DC and work to get this country on the right track and then and only then will the U.S. be respected as a country of Democracy. "

country gal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:40 AM:

" That's exactly what Obama is, like Clinton, a great speaker. Clinton was a wimp of a President. If Obama wins, I sure hope he doesn't follow the same pattern as Clinton. As for some of you who blamed Bush for everything, I can't believe how ignorant you can be. Personally, I think President Bush did a good job considering who had the most control over the White House. If you can't figure out who had the most control, then you are truly ignorant. "

Common Sense 24 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:05 AM:

" It is amazing how many people will vote for Obama. How many of you think that the government does a good job of spending your money with their current system of programs? Can anyone say that the government is fiscally reponsible. They welcome illegal immigrants and give your Social Security money to them. They use your SS money as a slush fund to satify needless programs. They give your tax dollars to addicts and drunks who claim disability and say they can't work. There is so much widespread abuse of these programs and Obama wants to put your healthcare into another government run program. So how fiscally responsible and efficient will the government be with your health on the line. Remember Katrina? The poor choices and confusion will make that catastrophe look like a day in the park. They gave people $2,000. credit cards for free to use at strip clubs or whatever and bought 25,000 trailers to get moldy in a field somewhere. Now there's some real efficiency to look forward to. "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:17 AM:

" Clinton was a great speaker and so is President Obama and so was President Kennedy, but at least with Clinton we had 8 great years in this country, except for his minor slip up and lying which was real and unfortunate, but he was acquited in the Impeachment hearing let's not forget. The bottom line acknowledging the success of Clinton does not serve you McSame fans one little bit and you are ashamed of that I understand. Being Pro-America means you support this great country and not work overtime to distort the facts for ALL past officials and current candidates. Picking and choosing and distorting your claims and running down any opponent with juvenile playground stuff like Ayers will never serve your case. Don't you realize that the majority of all voters actually have a brain and use it, and we can decide for ourselves what is right and wrong. You try to drag any race down to your level and in most cases you will FAIL period and that is what is going to happen today to McSame and Dino the Rossi. In his case promoting a visit to the area and have only 15 people show up for a free meal, and then criticize those who chose to protest is the absolute worst thing you could have done Shannon. It makes no sense and it makes your entire effort out to be foolish. Folks we are better than this and tomorrow you will hopefully agree. Good luck though! "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:21 AM:

" Hey Common Sense all the examples of government mismanagement have come under the GOP watch. The $2000 credit cards for Katrina was the idea of Bush and his crew. You have been the government for 8 years and it has been a complete and utter failure, so why would you want to continue down the horrible path we are on today? Does anyone who just got laid off at Fibre think it would be better in the next 4 years under McSame or Dino the Rossi? It would be worse and everyone with a brain and an open mind, not a talking head Shannon wannabee knows it will be. Look this is how it works, one side argues against the other, but when your side has done such a totallly poor job, what dignity do you have left arguing your case? None of course, but Good Luck Today as Always!?! "

shock n awe wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:28 AM:

" hey anderson 82, why do all you people need someone to HELP you? Help yourself, welfare people want to be helped. One man is not going to bring this "change" you all talk about. you cant even say what change is.... "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:37 AM:

" I have kept a record of all the "Obama Supporters" who spew the "Life will be dreamy under Obama" crud. If he gets the office and does what I fear he will, I will be the first one on here saying "I told you so". When all your taxes go up.. I will say I told you so..when the lazy couch potato gets a raise... I told you so... When big busuness leaves the US at a faster rate because of the high taxes, I told you so..If we get "tested" by terrorists... I told you so.. I better still hear all the "I love Obama" propaganda then... "

mole wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:40 AM:

" when MCAIN,said we could be in IRAQ,for 100 years.I thought,what,prisoner of war would even say that??? let alone the forgetting,the areas and countries that border them[PRESIDENTS SHOULD KNOW THEM].THEN HE PICKED,PALIN.To say she has more,experience than OBAMA,I don't see it!!!! We will see in a few hours.WHEN, "VENEZUALA'S" PRESIDENT, SAYS HE WOULD TALK TO OBAMA,IF HE WINS!!!that alone might just get us out of OPEC'S STRANGLE HOLD!!!! "

Pinky wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Alright I start with Go Obama!! and I want to say yes, I voted!! I also want to say you all may think Clinton was a wimp, but there is one thing that was not wimpy, and that was our economy which Clinton rescued from the evil clutches of another bush! As for the parties, I will have to say that the democrats definitely have more class, even just your everyday republicans give me a new reason to dislike them daily. Take this story, just recently a woman back east somewhere, only passed out candy on halloween to children (who mind you can't vote) who supported Mccain/Palin. She literally had children leaving her place empty-handed and crying! These are just children woman!! It seems everyday I read another story about an extremist close minded republican! "

mole wrote on Nov 4, 2008 10:56 AM:

" KALAMA DUDE:perfect'I don't understand how,people turn to such nastyness as to calling others "NAMES" for haveing an opinion??? When it is different than thier's.IT IS "AMERICA" IS IT NOT!!! "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:02 AM:

" Pinky.. you're joking right? What the DEMS say about Palin is classy? You definitely don't read the comments on these boards if you believe that.. "

mole wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:04 AM:

" RANIER DAD:YOU KEPT A "RECORD" OF OBAMA,SUPPORTERS!!!! BOY THAT SOUNDS A LITTLE STRANGE TO ME,OR WAS THIS A COVERT,O.P. "ASSIGHNED" TO YOU BY, G.W.BUSH !!!! "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 11:43 AM:

" I just want to make sure we don't forget who supported our "Socialist" future. I imagine those same people will start crying when gov't starts running their lives... "

bmoc wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:00 PM:

" The government and your republican party run your lives now. But you're bought in, so you don't see it. Clinton did more to cut government spending than either Bush. They just put their money into war, which most of us are really sick of. Republicans say they are for limited government, except when it truly matters, like taking tax money to fund wars, outlawing abortions, enforcing a death penalty, etc. Get a clue yourself you brainwashed Nazis! "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:20 PM:

" Rainier Dad,
So the Department of Defense, the Coast Guard, the Post Office, Highway Department, Fire Department, Police Department, Parks Department, US Forest Service, Social Security Admin, the Department of Homeland Security, The Department of Tobacco and Firearms, the recent bail out of your beloved Wall Street.........do I need to go on? These are all components of what you call Socialism if you want to hear the truth. You would rather live where none of these freedoms and services are provided to you by the taxes you pay? How old are you, were you complaining when the income tax rates were being increased by GOP Presidents Eisenhower, Nixon or Ford? Were you up front complaining when any of these government programs were started for the good of the people? Would you rather live in a cave or the deep woods fighting off the invading hoards from some far flung hate filled country, or do you like having a military here more than happy to protect your sorry tail? This argument today in light of all the things we know is frankly insulting and not very becoming for you my find friend. When you are ready to give back your SS check or those of your parent's or grandparents, then maybe you have an argument, but until then you are nothing but a hypocrite. Get over it today and start planning your whining tomorrow for the next 4 years, because it sounds like you are going to need it. Good luck though! "

MOLE wrote on Nov 4, 2008 12:21 PM:

" ranier dad, do wear a tinfoil hat?? "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:47 PM:

" Kalama Dude... We wouldn't have needed the bail out if the them DEMS would have listened to GW back in 01 when he wanted to tighten restrictions on Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae. Not EVERYONE deserves a house... Your argument that we already have socialist components so why not make more is weak. I can afford my own health care.. I don't need a welfare check.. SS..what a joke... like that will be around when i'm old enough.. I am putting my OWN money away for my future..
Bottom line... it's disturbing that so many people want a president who promises to "spread the wealth"..People aren't thinking...Gee.. how can I make my life better...instead they focus on...HEY... gimme some of that guys money.. he has more than enough... I don't NEED a handout from the Gov't.. I do fine by myself.. but it appears there may be more people who want a handout than those who want to work hard.. "

country gal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 1:48 PM:

" kalama dude: I'm sure all regardless of what party we belong to agree in supporting our defense department. That is not the taxes most of us are whining about. I've been reading your comments as I do with everyone else's. And I think you're a smart enough to know what taxes we're talking about. "

American First wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Rainier Dad, your right on, socialist is what Barack Hussein Obama is. These people are either uninformed, unemployed (and wish to remain that way), or doesn't care. Kalama-dude doesn't know what he is talking about, doesn't understand, or maybe is a propagandist, I don't know. In either case he's wrong, and true to form will twist and turn fact & truth to hold a bad position, anything but admit being wrong. I do however support his freedom to express himself, although suspect he would like mine to be squelched or censored. Lets not forget it was democrats that cracked SS and started using it as an open bank to fund they're social programs (there is that word again). It was also the dems that recently gave SS to illegals in our country and now they want to roll all 401k into SS!! This is crazy!! But this appears to be what Obama backers want, somebody to care of them so they don't have to. This has been tried & tried over the centuries, and it may sound great but it DOES NOT WORK. People in the U.S. will suffer, will go hungry, and will be failed be the obama government. I wonder if K.D. is aware it was a GOP president that freed the slaves? I do think it's funny that K.D. is insulted in light of his support for a clear socialist agenda... THINK!! "

Pinky wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:02 PM:

" Rainierdad..... I do not form my opinions by what I read it posts.... people comments are merely their opinions which I RESPECT as their freedom of choice. But grown women denying children a small joy on a holiday based on their political choices (which is also their freedom) is ludacris! That would be the same as if I got fired from my job based on my political preference, it is called discrimination and it is not tolerated in our great country, or has your closed mind forgotten that? "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:08 PM:

" Which mansion and house on the hill do you live in Country gal, because unless you one of the richest local citizens you have been brainwashed into thinking what President Obama is going to somehow affect you. It won't and this one topic drivel is why McSame and Dino the Rossi will be losing tonight and you and yours won't be around tomorrow to discuss this one little bit. Most of the Bad Boys are cowards apparently and don't even want to deal with the grief today that is nothing with what they will have to deal with starting tomorrow. But again Bad Boy and his will be just fine listening to Rush whine and moan and they will finally have another 4+ years of blaming it on someone else for once. And heck those upcoming claims might actually have some merit. Folks, seriously open your minds and at least try to have a free thought without mouthing the drivel from the local gravel merchants or national party that has been running scared for many months now. Until you admit you have a problem there is little we can do to help you personally get better, though we would be very happy to try. As always, good luck! "

Anderson82 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:36 PM:

" Republicans:
Look at all you ALREADY BLAMING things on OBAMA!~. That is of course your way of doing things though. Blaming your mistakes on others, and then bad mouthing someone with different views because you are too stuborn to admit how idiotic you are.
McCain choose the worst possible candidate for VP. She is almost a joke. If you had any intelligence, and seriously, ANY, you would realize this, cross your party line, and vote for the right choice. I havn't always been democratic but the light is shining bright for me now. Its obvious. It is so so so sad that we have America's like yourselves you believe we should have Bush in there again. I mean McCain. No really I mean, McCain will be Bush a third time.... How crazy and idiotic are you people. Go OBAMA. The election is already sealed. Start your complaining now. Hey Repubs, maybe you can blame Bush and his mistkaes on Obama. I am sure you will. Why not start not you racists, conservative, right winged, Americans.... "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:37 PM:

" Thank you Kalama Dude.. you illustrated my point exactly..."Until you admit you have a problem there is little we can do to help you personally get better"...Your assuming people WANT the help.. Maybe some people would rather take care of themselves... not be "taken care of"...
Also..."because unless you one of the richest local citizens you have been brainwashed into thinking what President Obama is going to somehow affect you"... His policies will affect more than the wealthy... I bet it negatively affects any family making over $100000 a year when all is said and done... BUT ... if you sit on your couch and do nothing but watch TV, your gonna get a raise... "

American First wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:43 PM:

" Kalama Dude, you can't even help yourself how are you going to help others? Your funny, clueless, but funny... "

country gal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:48 PM:

" FYI Kalama Dude, I'm a sole supporter for myself, work my buns off like heck as most others do and I'm far from wealthy (however, I do consider my families and friends as wealth). I once was Dem and switch to Rep. Now I'm neither. I'm sick and tired of both parties bickering at each other. But then that is part of their 'entertainment'. "

American First wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:48 PM:

" Pinky, it's called socialism, after today you may get the opportunity to live it, time will tell. You don't know what evil is. You respect nothing, please.... "

Kalama Dude wrote on Nov 4, 2008 2:59 PM:

" You are right I really can't help myself when so many uniformed talking head wannabees keep spouting off this and that and how it will matter here and not matter there. You had Bush he was bad, that much will never be refuted. McSame will really be more of the same PERIOD and you know that but somehow your guns and unecessary war is more important to you than worrying about those who can afford and whether they are going to pay more taxes or not. WHO CARES. Clinton proved how to do it and Bush has proven how not to. How can we make it anymore simple than that for those who drag their guns to the polls versus having a free thought and a will to push back against the gravel merchants at the 15 person turn out for Dino the Rossi. Explain that one away folks, because in the end it is not possible. Rush and Lars and Bill O. will tell you what to say starting tomorrow and if they are too busy talking about Florida or DC or Iraq then call up the fountain boy or gravel merchant and they will tell you what to say and when to send the letters to the paper. It has worked for you in the past so why actually try to do something better or different now? Good luck though! "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:00 PM:

" So Anderson82...where to start...let's start from your last line..."Why not start not you racists, conservative, right winged, Americans.... "...Let's see..."Why not start not"..you must be illiterate from the way you speak...you called repubs "racists" and you said "McCain choose the worst possible candidate for VP. She is almost a joke." are you a chauvinist?... BUT you did say we are "Americans"...that to me is the highest form of praise... for that I think you... or in illiterate terms..." Eye thhink ewe"...

p.s. God Bless America...we are going to need it... "

Lucky7 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:17 PM:

" By Country Gal: "Personally, I think President Bush did a good job considering who had the most control over the White House. If you can't figure out who had the most control, then you are truly ignorant." I'm ignorant in your eyes, please enlighten me.... Who's had the most control over the white house for the last 7 years & 10 months????????? I'm at a loss "

country gal wrote on Nov 4, 2008 3:34 PM:

" Lucky7: Isn't the White House made up of the Senate and Congress? If so, then who has the most control? Did I pass the test? "

Pinky wrote on Nov 4, 2008 4:14 PM:

" I am so glad we live under the dictatorship of ignorism, I am leaving this chain of posts!!! ....... If we live in a democracy, doesn't make sense we should have a democrat in office?? "

Anderson82 wrote on Nov 4, 2008 4:46 PM:

" Ranier Dad,
It was a typo Dad. Gee, you would be for McCain... You are from Rainier... The most uneducated town in Oregon..... "

2fedup wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:31 PM:

" Country Girl: You passed the test, you are ignorant. Try googling braches of government. "

Kelso Gringo wrote on Nov 4, 2008 9:55 PM:

" It is a great day! Obama is our president. God Bless America. "

MOLE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:39 AM:

" RANIERDAD: YOUR EMBARASSING YOURSELF!!! "

MOLE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 11:59 AM:

" RANIERDAD:YOU CAN AFFORD YOUR OWN HEALTH CARE,DOES THAT MEAN YOU HAVE NO INSURANCE AND PAY FOR YOUR DOCTOR WITH YOUR HARD EARNED CASH??? YOU HAD BETTER KEEP YOUR RETIREMENT MONEY HANDY!!! UNLESS YOU ARE ,THE REINCARNATION OF STAN ROSE!!! ONE CATASTROFIC ILLNESS OR INJURY AND YOU WILL BE SINGING A DIFFERENT SONG!! "

MOLE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 12:18 PM:

" PINKY:what does? "if we live in a democracy,does'nt make sense to have a democrat in office" that makes no sense!TO AMERICAN FIRST:THERE IS A SOCIALIST PARTY, "THEY" HAD A CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT,IT WAS NOT OBAMA !!THEY EVEN SAID OBAMA IS NOT A SOCIALIST.I THINK THEY[SOCIALISTS}KNOW THE REQUIREMENTS TO RUN UNDER THE SOCIALIST PARTY !!! TRY WATCHING BBC NEWS[CANADA]THEY ARE TRUE "SOCIALISTS" HOW ABOUT ENGLAND,JAPAN,CHINA.ANYWHERE THIER GOVERNMENT TAKES CARE OF "HEALTH CARE" IS SOCIALIZED HEALTH CARE!!! "TRUE SOCIALISM AT ITS FINEST" "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Anderson82... I have a bachelors as well as 4 years in the ARMY... what about you? maybe a little time on the xbox... or a night in a "Holiday Inn Express"? "

Rainier Dad wrote on Nov 5, 2008 1:05 PM:

" MOLE... I pay for "Health Care" at my current job... do I need to tell you what a "job" is? "

MOLE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 3:40 PM:

" RANIERDAD:that sounds to me your current job,has a health care plan that you subscribe to?? What does,do I need to tell you what a job is supposed to infer?? I WORKED NIGHTS MY SENIOR YEAR,AS REGISTERED LONGSHOREMAN 1967,GAVE MY EARNINGS TO MY MOTHER,BECAUSE MY DAD WAS DEAD,I HAD A YOUNGER BROTHER WHO WAS 9 WHEN HIS DADDY DIED.HE NEEDED SCHOOL CLOTHES.I ALSO FISHED IN ALASKA AT THE RIPE AGE OF 20. OWNED 3 FISHING VESSELS NOT BOATS!!BY THE TIME I WAS 30.FELL 40 FEET BROKE MY NECK AND BACK AND WORKED 20 MORE YEARS,RETIRING AT 50 WITH 32 YEARS,ILWU/AND AM STILL FISHING BUT IN HAWAII!! NOW TELL ME YOUR JOB!!! "

MOLE wrote on Nov 5, 2008 8:06 PM:

" rdad: no job discription?,do I need to tell "you", what a"job"is??? "

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