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Castle Rock fire officials say they may have to stop responding outside their district

Friday, October 10, 2008 6:52 PM PDT

By Barbara LaBoe

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Like at least two other Cowlitz County fire districts, the Castle Rock area Fire District 6 says it can no longer afford to cover areas outside its district without compensation.

Officials say it’s not fair to their taxpayers to routinely leave their district for outside calls. If contracts or other agreements can’t be worked out, the district will stop responding to all but major disaster calls.

Taxpayers are concerned about resources they pay for being used outside the district, so officials are working to balance that with “the need to help our neighbors,” said District 6 Fire Chief Eric Koreis. But, as a small district, the Castle Rock station also relies on surrounding districts for coverage. So, the approach has been a “softer” one so far, Koreis said.

“I’m encouraged that we can find a solution and we’ll continue working on it,” Koreis said. “But if we can’t we’re obligated to end service in those areas.”

In the past year Cowlitz 2 Fire & Rescue in Kelso and Fire District 5 in Kalama have taken similar stances with the city of Longview and Woodland respectively. Cowlitz 2 and Longview are still negotiating even though the initial deadline to stop service was Friday. Woodland agreed to reimburse District 5 for major emergency calls in Woodland but also is relying more heavily on the private American Medical Response ambulance company.

Koreis said it’s a simple matter of fairness and that the district is looking at several options.

The district has told residents outside the district near Frye and Tower roads that they’ll need to annex into the district or sign a service agreement in order to keep receiving service. The Frye Road residents — about 10 homes or land parcels — have filed for annexation and the Tower Road residents — representing about 23 land parcels — are interested, Koreis said.

The district also responds all the way up to the Johnston Ridge Observatory along with Fire District 3 in Toutle, passing through another fire district and into another county. The Toutle district doesn’t have its own paramedic service so Fire District 6 is the main responder in that district and up to Johnston Ridge.

The district averages about 40 calls east of milepost 20 of the 54-mile-long Spirit Lake Memorial Highway each year, Koreis said. That can be highway crashes or someone ill or hurt at a visitors center and could be up to 100-mile round trips depending on the location.

Officials have long asked the U.S. Forest Service for reimbursement without much luck. So officials have sent a letter to forest officials saying they will no longer respond to calls after June of 2009 without a service agreement, Koreis said.

The district also is talking with Fire District 3 officials about some sort of contract or reimbursement schedule, Koreis said. Because the two districts already work so closely together, Koreis said he’s encouraged that an agreement can be reached.

And, the district has notified the city of Longview that it can’t respond to calls there without a contract or agreement similar to the one now being negotiated between the city and Cowlitz 2. It’s also possible that Cowlitz 2 will negotiate with Longview on behalf of several smaller fire districts, including Castle Rock, and Koreis said he favors that approach.

The city of Longview has responded to Castle Rock just once in seven years, when a ladder truck was needed for an apartment fire, Koreis said. Fire District 6, though, responded to 15 calls into Longview in 2007.

“We’re not talking about big numbers but, still the taxpayers expect equity and we have to address that,” Koreis said. “It needs to be fair and consistent.”

Related articles:

Castle Rock fire district seeks levy lid lift (Today)

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clamdipper wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:16 AM:

" Castle rock responded to longview 7 times? For what? ! Longview doesnt have that many fires in a year. Especially one where they would need more water from Castle rock. Oh...it's ambulance crap again..isnt it..This is going to be AMR's fault again. "

jazzie wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:20 AM:

" Ok, I understand that it all takes money, but are we now putting a price on life? If I need help I dont care where it comes from just get there. Its like the school in Vader, Castle Rock took it over but it wants money. Money makes the world go round, but what about the kids. It just seems like everything is coming down to that all mighty dollar. "

davewb wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:20 AM:

" daveb: here we go again,,,poor AMR always being blamed...it not amr,,longview several years ago took the stand not to become involved in ems through their fire service right or wrong there decision..at the present time we have in the fire service over 30 paramedics, at least 10 ambulances added amr to the list at least 45 ems personel...do we have a ems problem NO maybe a staffing problem...fire base EMS has run it course..maybe its time to look into a County wide EMS levy...this could cover cost for staff and ambulances. Fire Depts could use there transport charges to maintain there ems services, this could include Longview,Woodland. Toutle..using amr as needed...AMR emergency response is a very small part of the service they offer,with the present ems problems amr is having problems the same as the fire service...its time for a change, its not 1990 its 2008, you bloggers have to many personal issues,lets try facing some ems issues... "

Im_not_saying wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:22 AM:

" Clamdipper - outside agencies don't just respond in to bring water - usually it's personnel or Firefighters with special training that are requested. And Jazzie - EVERYTHING costs money. If you have a heart attack do you want to wait 5 minutes, or 15 minutes for help? How about if your child drowns? Still want to wait those extra 10 minutes? If you want the service, you will have to pay, regardless of where it comes from. This isn't about putting a price on life, the taxpayers have said they don't want to pay more for the services, so the fire department is responding by trimming what is deemed unneeded by the taxpayer. If you disagree, then find out how you can change it. "

slanteyes wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:28 AM:

" someone needs to rent a helicoptor and a bucket to put out fires "at a reasonable cost" "

Mr. Chinook wrote on Oct 10, 2008 10:15 AM:

" I think EVERYONE should take CPR-First Aid training. It should be taught in schools and be readily available to the public. Maybe even make it a requirement for having a drivers liscence. When you get your liscence renewed, you must also take a refresher course in CPR-First Aid. "

diamond dog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:11 AM:

" Mr. Chinook,
Is learning CPR-First Aid going to be the answer to the problem. NO IT IS NOT. Can you honestly say that if you stabbed yourself in the head or in a major artery that because your neighbor or friend knows CPR First aid that you are going to live. Who is going to drive and apply pressure and monitor your airway at the same time. No body. Step into the real world. We need the EMS and fire services everywher and everyone should support these dedicated men and women. "

Mr. Chinook wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:40 AM:

" You are right, Diamond Dog. What was I thinking? Hopefully the next time you or your loved ones are injured or in an accident there won't be anyone around who is trained in CPR-First Aid. Sorry for my rediculous first comment. "

diamond dog wrote on Oct 10, 2008 1:45 PM:

" Mr. Chinook,
Knowing CPR and First Aid isn't going to save you from and MI or a Triple A. "

Im_not_saying wrote on Oct 10, 2008 2:12 PM:

" This has nothing to do with layperson training. It has everything to do with a fire district suffering in the current economy that will continue to do so unless some things are changed. People want prompt service, but are unwilling to pay for it. When people find out they have to pay to get it, they either suck it up and pay, don't get the service, or try to make others pay for it in the long run. What they should do is charge a response fee for calls out to these areas, and when people call 911 advise them they are liable for fees related to the call. Crazy people with their "extreme" sports need to stop laying the costs for their "extreme" injuries on others. That said a knowledge of first aid cannot hurt anyone. But thinking it would replace an ambulance/fire district is crazy. "

bmack wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:11 PM:

" As always, I think davewb is right on the money. Time to think outside the box EMS. "

Im_not_saying wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:42 PM:

" Since when was this an issue of Longview's lack of a fire based EMS system? This is a story about how CR won't be able to respond outside their borders without just compensation. As far as outside the box EMS - CR runs the only true tiered response in the county, a program so successful that Lewis county has copied it. As far as Longview goes - they just want something for nothing, as always. The truth is that AMR and the city should have come up with something LONG ago, before this came to light. "

spete98611 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 8:24 AM:

" Im_not_saying is right on the money with their post....I'm starting to wonder if any of you are even reading the entire story before commenting. Listen, the story doesn't say anything about a longer response time for any district to arrive at an emergency. Whether you have a heart attack, your kid drowns or you develop life-threatening carpal tunnel syndrome; emergency medical services will be available to promptly respond. It's just going to cost you an extra $1,000 tacked onto the $5,000 it costs for them to arrive in the first place. I'm sorry people but if you really believe that your life here isn't determined by your financial status then your dillusional. This is the United States of America....you get what you "pay" for. "

Cheney119 wrote on Oct 11, 2008 12:13 PM:

" This is an interesting issue, it appears to me that people that live in the middle of nowhere want the same service as people that live in cities, and they don't want to have to pay for it. Fascinating, people that are so fiercely indepenent yet so willing to look for a handout. Nobody made you live out on Tower Road, this should have been one of the factors when you made the decision to move there. Zero sympathy, I live 1 from the hospital, you know cities are constructed for a reason, there are advantages. "

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