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No Place for Bikes

Saturday, September 20, 2008 11:35 PM PDT

By Thacher Schmid

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Ron Schaefer feels caught between the law and a "Dodge one-ton dually."

Since returning to Longview just two months ago, the bicycle commuter and local gas station attendant has already been hit - twice - by motor vehicles.

He prefers sidewalks, but a police officer recently warned him to stay on the street.

"But three days after he told me that is when I got thumped in the back," Schaefer said. "I got brushed by a Dodge one-ton dually and ended up biting concrete," suffering bad cuts, scrapes and bruises.

Last week, the League of American Bicyclists picked Washington the nation's most "bicycle friendly" state, due mostly to legislative and funding priorities. Local cyclists like Schaefer and civic leaders say the Longview-Kelso area lags behind, lacking bike lanes and racks, safe routes and education for sharing the road.

But transportation planners say that may change, pointing to new initiatives such as new routes, creation of a new Longview bicycle committee and a plan to increase the number of bike racks around the community. They say changes won't be easy, because money is tight and bicycles have long been viewed as a marginal means of transportation. But it's worth it, they say.

"To me, it's all about how it just improves the quality of life and livability of the community," Longview City Manager Bob Gregory said.

Among bicyclists, the most commonly cited problem is the near-total absence of bike lanes on local streets.

It's a particular problem in Longview's downtown business district, where a growing number of cyclists have taken to sidewalks to stay out of busy streets but are receiving tickets from Longview police for doing so.

"It's not very (bicycle)-friendly," said Shaunalynn Pusctai, who owns a Commerce Avenue tattoo business and has been stopped by police for cycling on sidewalks. "There's no bike lanes - where am I supposed to ride my bike?"

In 2007, Longview police wrote seven tickets to cyclists for bicycling on sidewalks, up from zero the three previous years, said crime analyst Anita Hyatt.

Capt. Dan Jacobs said officers responded to complaints from downtown businesses about cyclists "buzzing" pedestrians. It's okay to bicycle on sidewalks as long as it's outside the downtown business corridor.

"The education part is one of the biggest stepping stones for law enforcement and the community," said Jacobs, a bike-trained officer. "Some drivers don't believe bicyclists should be on the streets at all because they're not motorized. (Bicyclists) have to ride somewhere."

Monica Monteon, a local cyclist who is part of local advocacy group Cowlitz On The Move, "disagrees" with cyclists on sidewalks, saying it is only through exposure that drivers will learn to accommodate bike riders.

"The sidewalks are for pedestrians," she said. "If I don't bike on the road, cars aren't going to get used to it."

On Ocean Beach Highway and Oregon Way, however, signs direct bicyclists to sidewalks.

Confusion over where to ride is just one problem local cyclists highlight. The others include:

n There are only four existing bicycle lanes or paths in the Longview-Kelso area

n A 2005 county survey found 100 percent of cyclists experienced problems sharing the road with local motorists

n 29 percent in that survey reported "harrassment" from drivers

n Arterials such as Washington Way or 15th Avenue are dangerous for cyclists

n Except for the Allen Street Bridge, local bridges are unsafe for bicyclists due to the lack of bike lanes and/or presence of debris alongside the road

There are bright spots, including Longview's wide avenues, bike racks on buses and a history of community groups providing free helmets and bicycle tutorials. The Lower Columbia area is a destination for sport cyclists - the hard-core road bikers and mountain bikers - who love the region's logging roads and some county roads.

Regional bicycle events such as the Seattle-To-Portland Bicycle Classic or the Longview Rotary Club's Tour de Blast to Mount St. Helens have alienated some motorists but also expanded interest in bicycling.

Richard Haight of Three Rivers Bicycling Club called the lack of local bike lanes "horrible," but he said local motorists are more respectful than in Portland, the only big U.S. city rated "platinum" -- the highest ranking -- by the bicycle league.

"If you rate (Longview) on the city planning, community outreach or any of that, it's probably very low on the scale, but if you put it on the scale of safety, I find that people in Longview generally slow down, they honk friendly, they'll say, 'hey, we're back here,'" Haight said. "I would challenge the local riders to not be afraid to get off of Pacific Way."

New ideas

Longview Traffic Engineer John Bean says this area is "in the infancy" of including bicycles in its planning. He recalled that when the city put in a "sample" bike lane on 38th Avenue in the late 1990s, "some people wondered why we even put it in."

Lately, bicycling has gained traction.

"We will be joining the real world here soon," said Rosemary Siipola of the Cowlitz-Wahkiakum Council of Governments. The council, a regional planning agency, completed a bicycle-pedestrian trails plan in 2006 and will be developing a local transportation system plan next year, Siipola said. County officials are already meeting with Kelso and Longview planners to talk about it.

"This community isn't bicycle-and pedestrian-friendly, and we need to make some efforts to do that," said Gregory, the Longview city manager. "It's certainly on people's radar screens."

Thursday, the city, Longview Downtowners and Bob's Sporting good announced a cooperative effort to dramatically improve the availability of bicycle racks" in Longview. The racks will be sold through the Downtowners retailers group for a reduced price.

Kelso Mayor David Futcher, who rides his two-wheeled Segway on city sidewalks, said sees more cyclists hitting Kelso streets in the future, and the city needs to accommodate them better.

"I think (bicycling) is something we've got to work on, and in fact in our recent goal-setting, that was one of our higher goals," Futcher said. Adding bicycle lanes was the eighth goal out of 21 set at a July 1 planning meeting, he said.

Longview Assistant City Manager David Campbell and Gregory said Longview is planning to fund a new bicycle path along Industrial Way in 2009 and 2010 as part of a Highlands revitalization plan. Gregory said the ten-foot wide gravel-cinder path from Oregon Way to Washington Way will cost $500,000, not including landscaping, lighting or pavement.

Campbell complimented Castle Rock's "aggressive" expansion of its bicycle path along the Cowlitz River.

Kelso Community Development Director Mike Kerins, Siipola and others said extending the Castle Rock loop south along the Old West Side Highway is another likely priority in the next year or two.

Losing out

State and federal transportation priorities are tilting toward "multi-modal" transport as planners add "green" elements and de-emphasize fossil fuels. In the long term, Siipola said, Longview, Kelso and Cowlitz County could lose out on funds if bicyclists aren't a part of local transportation priorities.

"We've really got to do this to be eligible for the funding that's going to be coming down the pike," Siipola said. "We will lose out. So we will be doing this stuff."

There are signs of new movement in Longview. Bean received an email from Longview Assistant City Manager David Campbell last week discussing the creation of a new committee by order of the city council.

"We are talking internally, staff-level at this point, about the value of creating a bicycle advisory committee ... to help the city plan for future needs, and also to serve as kind of an advocacy group, maybe kind of an education group," Campbell said.

Any movement on the issue will have to overcome a history of inaction. City documents show there was a "special ad hoc bike committee" in Longview from 1980 to 1981. It's not clear what it accomplished.

"Bicycle advocates are in the minority (in Longview)," Gregory said. "At some point if it's really going to take off, I think there has to be a grassroots group that's really going to champion this and make it take off, and so far I haven't seen that in this community."

In the near term, local bikers would be well-advised to keep their heads on a swivel.

"We've got to at least be able to get through town and get around town," said Schaefer, who doesn't plan to wear a helmet even after his accidents. "Watch your butt. Wear some lights. Do everything you can to be visible, because the cars aren't looking for you."

bronco wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:09 AM:

" ya know I have no problem with people who ride bikes back and forth. But I think this country has a whole lot more to worry about right know, what with our goverment putting us so @#$%& in debt that our childrens childrens childrens children will still be paying of this God awfol thing. I say let AIG and the others go down its time for us to stop putting up temp measures and stop proping up this econemy. I say let it go down the tubes, then we start rebuilding it from the groung up. From a real frustrated and @#$%& of member of this great nation called AMERICA. "

feistyone wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:40 AM:

" I personally hate bicycles on the roads. Most are so unpredictable and quite a few ride double and triple breased even when they know there are vehicles behind them. I for one am all for some classes on learning the proper way to ride bikes, starting at an early age, and would prefer to see them on sidewalks. "

LJD wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:14 AM:

" Buy a car! "

KalamaMom wrote on Sep 21, 2008 7:30 AM:

" I feel that with the increase in bicycle activity on all of our roads, and all the improvements that cost tax payer money, bicycle riders need to start being licensed and paying for some type of insurance. I live at the top of Kalama River Road and am tired of the danger they put me in. The back roads are too dangerous, log trucks, dump trucks etc. If they are going to share the road, they need to share the cost. Especially in larger cities. "

Argoman wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:12 AM:

" Sorry to hear about the dodge mirror. I am not trying to be mean but after watching the STP riders running red lights,riding 4 wide,showing nothing but disrespect and Cowlitz County sheriff's letting them get away with it this news is of no surprise. Maybe you should get some side mirrors "

#1mrt6j wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:51 AM:

" In Monmouth, Oregon, where Western Oregon University is located, huge expense and effort has been used to make the entire city 'bicycle friendly'. Bike paths and racks adorn the city and of course the college campus. Any yet they are underutilized. Why? Simply because very few people can effectively use their bicycles for anything other than non-rainy day recreation. Monmouth is a good example for Longview to look at before spending money on bicycle lanes, signage, etc. Please remember also that winter is coming. We will have weather that almost no-one will want to be out in for the next 8 months. Let's be practical. Let's avoid investing in bike infastructure that will, for the most part, go unused. "

Cheney119 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:23 AM:

" I like the idea of improving the West Side Hwy, particularly between Lexington and the Carnival Market, the railroad bridge area is completely inadequate and just plain dangerous. The proposal for the section between Oregon to Washington Way is kind of a waste, 32nd Ave is already suitable for bicycling with no improvements and parallels Industrial Way with limited access. The article mentions Washington Way and 15th being unsuitable but 14th Ave and Vandercook again are suitable and parallel those roads and need nothing for cycling. The article fails to mention the real troubled road Ocean Beach Hwy which is a disaster for cyclists and 10 minutes of planning 20 years ago could have avoided this, but we are stuck with the poor decisions of the past and many streets, aren't we. As a cyclist I really don't need anything from infrastructure I've been riding 1000's of miles in Cowlitz County for more than 20 years. What I need is just a tiny bit of courtesy from motorists, and this is not as big a problem as depicted in the article, I've never been hit by a car. Longview and Kelso are a natural for cycling, I can ride downtown to just about anywhere less than 15 minutes and it's flat. Everyone should give it a try cycling is great exercise and it's practially free. "

lurkertom wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:23 AM:

" Bicyclists are allowed by law on all streets unless it's posted otherwise. Drivers need to SHARE THE ROADS and be more aware (put down your cell phones!) there may be bicycles traveling on the same streets. Bicyclists need to obey all traffic laws just as motorists are supposed to do...just like we learned in driver's ed classes and when we learned to ride bikes. As it becomes more expensive to drive, EXPECT to see more bikes on the road. It is NEVER cool or funny to injure or cause a pedestrian or biker to be injured by your driving. EVERYONE on the streets, biker or motorist, MUST be aware of what they are doing and pay attention to the situation around them. "

AmericanGirl wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:32 AM:

" I want a horse lane!!! "

elthea wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:09 AM:

" Don't try to spend your money in Longview if you're riding a bike. They're not allowed per posted signs in Triangle Mall. "

Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:55 AM:

" I think that making lanes for bikes and widening some of our rural roads to accomidate a bike lane would be most beneficial. I would love to be able to ride my bike from home to Castle Rock or Kelso/Longview. It is not just a Longview issue, but a county wide issue. The STP run is scary not only for the riders, but the cars that must go into the opposing lane to avoid them. West Side Hwy needs widened to accomidate the bike riders that will use it if it is there, and the STP run each year. The roads in town need to be able to accomidate the increasing bike traffic, as fuel costs may be down now, but will increase again and again. Biking is the one way that does not cost an arm and leg, plus it is healthier for our youth and selves to ride more often than we all do. I agree that if the bikes are going to be on the road, they need to license them and help foot the bills for the road improvements and maintainance (even if it is a small fee), I would gladly license my bike and those of my grandkids in order to safely take them for rides around the area. "

cyclist wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:05 PM:

" I've been a cyclist in Longview for about 20 years putting in 4000+ m/. I cycle year round going all over town and on longer rides to neighboring communities.
A few of my thoughts!
Bike riders need to strictly follow the rules of the road or get ticketed.
I filmly believe in helmets and rear view mirrors. They have both saved my skin and head numerous times.
I have biked on the city roads and sidewalk. I have been hit by a car (out of a vision blocked driveway)on the sidewalk. Where is the safest place to be?
Some roads are down right not suited for biking (Kalama River Road is one)and should not be used by safety minded smart bikers.
The proposed bike path along Industrial Way is a bike path from and to no where.
The STP is a very unsafe, embarrasement for any safety minded biker. Police should monitor this ride and ticket law breakers.
Cities that are rated as having a high
"quality of living" have extensive bike/walking paths. We have a dike all the way around this town that has an adjoining ready built path that is being ignorted. Talk about a cheap unused asset!
Biking will increase in Longview as the cost of and time spent in a car increases. The last 5 years on Ocean Beach is a good example. Longview should be planning for it. "

Rural Citizen wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:21 PM:

" The roads to not belong to the truckers, or the car drivers, or to the city. They belong to the people and everyone has a right to use them to go from here to there. Everyone has a right to live and not be injured or killed because their mode of transport is incompatible with bouncing off a log truck.

It might interest the people here in Longview that other civilized cities in the nation have a thing called a "TRUCK ROUTE" and signs prohibiting vehicles weighing more than a designated amount on streets where families live.

Gigantic trucks delivering loads should have their designated streets where bicycles don't go and bicyclists and smaller cars should have their safe streets away from big trucks. Then we could all live more safely.

Got a load to deliver to your store?

Hire a bobtail driver to bring it from the warehouse on the truck route to your store. It has worked for decades in bigger cities. "

TK wrote on Sep 21, 2008 1:38 PM:

" If bikers want to share the road with cars they need to follow the rules. For every bicylist who signals turns and stops at stop signs I've encountered at least three who ride like first-graders on a playground. Please riders, make yourselves harder to hit not easier! "

DW wrote on Sep 21, 2008 2:20 PM:

" I know. Lets get the Critical Mass people out here to show us cars some respect for bicycles. I mean hey, if they can beat up motorists in Seattle and Portland, why not come to Longview and bash a few heads of ignorant motorists. Then the cars will have respect for bicycles, and all will be well. I will say this for Cheney119 though. If Cheney119 can get around Longview and Kelso without any $500,000 dollar a mile bike paths why can't the rest of the bicycle crowd?? I think Cheney understands that his 187 lb. bicycle and body are no match for my 5400 lb. 12 mile to the gallon chevy truck. I have no problem with cyclists as long as everyone understands that the road belongs to everyone. That is why I am also in favor of licensing bicyclists and there bikes and forcing them to pay confiscitory taxes to pay for bike paths/lanes etc. I mean how fair is it that they can have access to the roads us cars paid for while they get off scott free. It's kind of like Cheney119 saying that the rich don't pay any taxes, and get all the benefits of us dolts as tax payers. Get the bicyclists paying their far share and make it fair for everyone. "

ccd wrote on Sep 21, 2008 3:46 PM:

" folks, just to play the devil's advocate here - what if gas jumps to $5-$6 a gallon next spring or summer? There will be more bicycles, that's what. This isn't a little trend, it's a lifestyle that more & more people want to adopt. Some for environmental reasons, some for health, some out of economic necessity. HEY LJD - they DO own cars, you fool, but they prefer to ride a bike! Some even choose to do so in inclement weather, there are tons of them in Portland all year round! How about making some designated bike lanes, but within a reasonable budget, just a little at a time. And then see how it goes from there? Baby steps? $500,000 seems like a ton of dough right now, maybe not the best economic times to be spending it! But then again, maybe they are looking ahead to that $5-$6 gallon of gas? Tough call. "

no one wrote on Sep 21, 2008 4:47 PM:

" Just a thought. Roads are paid for by our taxes, much of it from the gas tax. Highway taxes paid by commercial vehicles are another large source. There is plenty of unmet need on our roads even with the large amount those of us who drive pay. Maybe bicyclists should carry their portion of the burden as well through a license fee. I know that they pay gas tax as well when they drive, but that should go to lanes and wear and tear they help cause. If they want infrastructure, I would think they would be willing to help pay for it.

I have never hit a bicycle but one hit me while I was pulling out of an alley downtown and he was flying down the sidewalk and couldn't stop in time. "

Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:10 PM:

" My dear Rural Citizen... if you look at the roads in Kelso/Longview, there are "TRUCK ROUTES" that trucks must follow. The only time a Big Rig is allowed off those routes is when they have a delivery that smaller trucks CANNOT deliver. Believe me when I say that the Big Rigs don't like to take the their trucks on smaller roads, it is hard to manouver the tractor and trailer around corners lined with cars, or narrow roads that most people don't want to take their campers on. I think you need to take a good look around town and NOTICE the signs that are in place... I DO! If you don't like the trucks delivering the goods... quit buying anything that is delivered via semi tractor and trailer combos (that will include your groceries, clothes, lumber, appliances and much much more). I say Give me a break! Think before you type... and next time watch those signs and where the trucks actually go... if you find one out of route... call a State Trooper that is DOT Certified to give that driver a ticket... grief... "

Atrucker wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:16 PM:

" Re: Rural Citizen, What !! this is about bikes , not big bad trucks , as you so often seem to think . IF YOU GOT IT A TRUCK BROUGHT TO YOU . When the trucks stop so does the country.
Logging trucks have just as much right to the road and even more so as they pay road taxes , that you never pay. And fuel taxes that you pay half or less of what they pay .
Oh A bobtail can still pull a 53ft trailer so what's the diffrence here .
Truck route LOL , Longview has few of those in the right place . West side and ocean beach are highways and used as such , so is 15th and Oregon way . Get a grip. Oh , you can't move a truck that is over it's axle weight so where do you get the over weight stuff?
You need to take trucker 101 my freind , in stead of just blowing off steam . have a nice day. As for bikes I rode hundreds of miles around here as a kid , never had a problem . "

smf wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:19 PM:

" Bikes are here to stay.... get over it. I don't ride a bike, as I'm not able. Instead I pay almost $4 a gallon for gas and use it sparingly to avoid adding too much pollution to the air, and too much of a hole in an already skinny wallet. I'd much rather share the rode with bikes than to run over one. It's the law... deal with it or don't drive. As for action our community could take, yes, bike lanes would be beneficial, but so would education... both for cyclists and for drivers. "

Cheney119 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:22 PM:

" You people who say tax cyclists for using roads. Exactly how? $43 is what it costs to license a car. Cars wear out roads, cause pollution and occupy traffic space, bikes don't. So you would not charge as much money for a bike as a car. Plus I pay gasoline taxes for my car so I have a right to ride my bike instead. What you are really saying is you don't want bikes on the road, you think this kind of fee would discourage cycling. Wrong, ccd points out correctly that cycling will become more attractive in the future, so just get used to it. Your proposal to charge cyclists makes about as much sense as charging pedistrians to use the sidewalks, you know those expensive sidewalks are just used by walkers and freeloading children; can't we somehow tax 5 year olds, how about licensing their big wheels and tricycles? Would you motorists rather I drove my car so you could wait behind me in traffic? Brilliant proposal! Additionally Kalama Mom says she is "tired of the danger they put me in"? Wow! Bikes riders are the ones in danger, what might be a scrach to your car's paint job might be a broken femor or broken back or my death. Get real lady. "

mhmltn wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:29 PM:

" The best idea I have heard is make people on bike realize that they are A THOUSAND POUND LIGHTER THAN A CAR AND A CAR CAN KILL YOU!!!I think that if a car hits a bike then it is almost always the bike riders fault for being in the way , providing the driver in the car was following all the rules. Make the guy riding be responsible for their own safety not the cars driver. "

cherokee wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:40 PM:

" I just watched two SPECIAL people on three wheeled bikes completely go through a stop sign without looking. This was a very busy intersection. The person in front had on a hooded sweatshirt and made no effort to stop or look for traffic. I am all for banning bikes on the road unless they are licensed and subject to fines. I am tired of seeing bikes running through stop signs, going across traffic, etc. Note to STP'ers NO BIKES!!! "

river ranger wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:20 PM:

" There is no question that motorists have to drive defensively when bike riders are present. Twice in the last month my experience with them required my full attention. Once on West Side Hwy at a light I had my left turn signal on and when the light turned green a bike rider went zooming past me on the right. Just yesterday on Hudson...again at a light the same thing happened only the rider turned left in front of me after passing me on the right when the light turned green. Expect the unexpected. Also we will be seeing considerably more motorcycles on the road. Drive defensively...there is room for everyone! "

cynic954 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 8:05 PM:

" Most bike riders are not a problem. the ones that I have had problems with are adults wearing black hoodies and riding BMX bikes. Two weeks ago I had to slam on my brakes to miss one that ran a red light right in front of me. This was at 11pm. He had no lights didnt bother slowing down fliped me off and kept going. Ive seen these bike riders holding on to trucks getting pulled along at 35mph and various other acts of stupidity. Should bike riders be licensed yes. Should they follow traffic laws yes. Should they have insurance yes. Yet I have not seen one of these riders ever stopped by longview police. They ride like they own the road. "

radical one wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:49 PM:

" I hear a lot of argument saying that cyclists need to be licensed and pay taxes like motorists do. Most cyclists do have licenses to drive motor vehicles and most cyclists pay vehicle insurance and taxes because they drive motor vehicles..........
Cycling has little negative environmental impact and promotes good physical health, but cyclists need to be taxed. They gotta pay their share. The only fair way is to tax the heck out of cyclists. Make em pay BIG TIME for their portion of the wear and tear on the roads! "

SPARROW wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:46 PM:

" I personally know of a two people that use bicycles as transportation to a job. The reason is because they have suspended drivers licenses. For the most part I believe that bicyclist's in Kelso have the problem under control. The majority of the riders around here all go to work very early, usually in the middle of the night, I suppose to avoid the traffic. They are cauious to not scratch cars parked on the street, as they shine their pen lights on the cars as they ride by. A lot of them must work quite a distance away, because they hold on the a spare bike while riding theirs, probably incase of a breakdown, they won't be late for their jobs. I have noticed a lot of people also pulling makeshift trailers behind their bikes, loaded with stuff. Probably because they need a change of clothes, shoes, towels and a hairdryer, etc before starting their job - after riding all that way in the pouring rain.
Funny how you can always tell which employee came to work on their bike vs the drivers by sound their shoes make when they walk in the door. "

kalamamom wrote on Sep 22, 2008 4:57 AM:

" Yes, on Kalama River Road bicyclists put everyone in danger. Wehn I'm coming home at night in the summer, can't count the times I have come around a blind curve to either have a bike in my lane or in the other lane and a car, log truck or dump truck coming right at me in the middle of the road to avoid the bike. On certain roads they should not be allowed if the can't be seen and there is no shoulder. I would be devestated if I came around a corner and hit someone. Where there's room for them, all for it. "

Redline67 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 8:25 AM:

" This argument, like the ones of religion and politics, is never ending. People think that they're the ones who are right..and they aren't going to be convinced otherwise. I bet we could also tie politics into this argument-I'd put money on it that most of these people with hostile attitudes towards cyclists are Republicans. They believe that it's perfectly acceptable to attack a nation over oil, and kill innocent civilians in the process, so shouldn't those annoying cyclists be fair game too? "

DW wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:14 AM:

" YES Redline67, it is the evil republicans that hate the world. All they want to do is push the rest of the world around and drink 5 glasses of crude oil a day, and pee gasoline. Yes Redline Republicans must kill to quell their appetite for con-quest. And heaven forbid if a bicyclist gets in their way. They will sit in there evil cars and discuss how many points they will get for running down a poor helpless earf friendly bicycle. Good God!! Redline67, how do you get through the day thinking that all republicans want to do is start wars for oil, and kill innocent civilians. The hate by the left for republicans never ends with you people. It's almost racist in a way. But that never stopped a liberal before. "

Cheney119 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:19 PM:

" In China during the revolution the had quicky tribunals and shot the entire landlord class. In the Cuba they would cry "to the wall" before they shoot one of the landed gentry and good for them the bastards oppressed them for centuries in both countries. You're lucky your in America where we just hate republicans in other places they shoot them. Although if the market goes down any farther destroying the lives of millions shooting those responsible would be a great idea. After all republicans are what's wrong with America. "

DW wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Again the racism of the left rears it's ugly head. Cheney119, I feel sorry for someone with so much hate in there heart. But remember now, since we have socialized the US monitary system any difference that there might have been between Democins, and Republicrats has faded away. They are all the same and they are all ruining what's left of our country. But since we live under a socialist style government now, I'm sure your very happy that you red diaper doper babies of the 60's got your way. Long live the USAR, (United Socialist American Republic). Bicycles for all my friends..... "

pacifica2010 wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:22 PM:

" I ride my bike on westside hiway sometimes and fantasize about the converting the now-defunct railway into a bike and walking trail that runs all the way through town. If you build it they will come. People come from miles around to ride our rural roads... why not create a way to get them into town so they can spend some money?

BTW, when bikes were first introduced in the late 1800's everybody thought they were dangerous... horse carriage riders wanted them banned from streets and pedestrians wanted to ban them from sidewalks. Seems like we haven't made much progress... "

Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:53 PM:

" Redline67, how did this become a political conversation? grief. This is an issue no matter what political party is involved. This is an issue that is ongoing and long lived. And DW, I love that acronym (USAR) and how true it is. The two party system has failed us. We are left with a bunch of bickering, babeling whiners, arguing over who's fault it is that the world is where it is. I say: just improve on bike routes and make more; widen west side highway. Heck... I know for a fact that the truckers pay huge taxes on fuel (more that gasoline), cars pay a lot too, if our government would quit paying for illegal aliens to have free health care, food stamps, jail time and a free ride back to their native country; we could afford to build the needed bike trails and paths. Start emailing, writing and calling your representatives, congress people and all government that will listen. What will we ever do if the oil runs out? we can't grow enough bio-fuel and food for both! "

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