Bush's war moves on par with Hitler's
Sunday, September 14, 2008 12:54 AM PDT
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E-mail this articleCommentary by Bill Kasch
For The Daily News
I hadn’t planned to write this, but after reading William G. Dennis’ defense of George W. Bush and his referring to me (Sept. 7) as a “Bush hater,” I must explain myself.
No, I don’t hate Bush. I hate what he and Dick Cheney have done to my wonderful country. Yes, we are still the greatest power in the world, but Bush has done more to destroy us than Osama bin Laden could ever have done. In fact, he’s increased Muslim anger that will come back to our children.
This immoral Iraq war has ripped out our heart and soul. Bush supporters don’t believe me, or care if your rockets and bullets took the lives of thousands of innocent women and children, but I do. We killed and tortured many poor peasants who were defending their homes from invaders, just as we would do. And after six years of lies about winning, we’ll leave in 2011, just like Vietnam.
Bush says we’ve won, but in truth, we’ve lost. The world knows we’ve broken all international laws of war crimes and torture and are now no better than the terrorists. Our high Christian principles of caring for humanity have been shattered on the altar of greed. Spin as you will, our invasion was no different than what Hitler did in invading Poland or Russia into Georgia.
Bush’s myths about WMDs were mainly a scare tactic to excite us to war. We would have rebelled if he had told us the war was for oil, as most Americans still have some principles. U.N. inspectors, led by Hans Blik and Scott Ritter, who had covered the ground, pleaded for a few more days as there was no evidence of WMDs. But Bush and Dick Cheney, two oil men, knew the iron was hot and invaded as fast as possible.
No, most liberals don’t hate Bush; we hate what he has done to America. Was 9/11 due to Bush’s sheer incompetence; or was it a set-up to invade Iraq? And, yes, with the help of many gutless Democrats, we have lost over 4,000 American lives and left our proud Army in shambles, with many wounded for life. He’s wasted and bankrupted our treasury so our military-industrial complex has fuel for its war machines. He has more than doubled our national debt ,and now we’re owned by foreign bankers. Our children and grandchildren will never be free.
Bush lovers block out the corruption and don’t see what’s happening to our cities, civil rights, health care or infrastructure. Nor do they really care about our middle class and those who have lost their jobs or had homes foreclosed. Bush is their Rovian-Nero, who fiddles while our Rome burns. He does nothing as Fannie Mae goes under. And now they want old man John McCain to follow in his footsteps, and an evangelical vice president who insanely calls Iraq a “task from God.”
Many good Republicans can’t see they are aiding the decline of our Roman Empire. They ignore father Bush’s “new world order” globalization and talk of a one-world government. Most don’t even know about the neo-cons’ 1997 “Project for the New American Century” (PNAC), especially page 51, where it’s stated they needed a “new Pearl Harbor” to invade Iraq. Please, people, open your eyes to where we’re going.
Bill Kasch is a resident of Longview.
Q wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:56 AM:
" Thank you, Bill! I couldn't have said it better! I think you speak for the majority! "
ab wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:44 AM:
" All I can do is laugh at these insane ravings. There are too many lies in this letter to even warrant a response. "
ab wrote on Sep 14, 2008 9:14 AM:
" Bill, please stop drinking the kool-aid. It is poisoning your mind and causing out-of-this-world rantings. Your false facts and half truths are demeaning even to you. Please wake up and smell the roses. "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 3:06 PM:
" Thank you Mr. Kasch; you speak for so many of us who can't believe the path our nation has taken and how so many have followed so ignorantly and with such blind obedience, they are like a bunch of damned bobbleheads. I don't hate Bush either I just hate republican politics. I fish with republicans every week and they're great, as long as you stick to fishing as conversation. "
1209 wrote on Sep 14, 2008 5:47 PM:
" Longview/Kelso need TDN to rise above pandering for subscriptions from the Aryan Brotherhood (ab). After Obama is elected President Of The United States this November, Longview and Kelso will have a better opportunity do it's own house cleaning of white supremacy influence. "
mhmltn wrote on Sep 14, 2008 6:58 PM:
" BILL,I have a better idea for you.Since you hate this country so much,why don't you leave it? I will pay your fare out.Just DON'T COME BACK!!!If your hero's like Jimmy Carter and Billy Clinton would have done their jobs,Bush would not have had to try and do it all for us .We should have blown them back to the stone age a long time ago and I will bet we will still have to do that yet.People like you Bill , have your head up where the sun dont shine and that is getting people killed! "
speak into the microphone wrote on Sep 14, 2008 7:24 PM:
" RE: ab, Kool aid is not addicting but the meth you use is pretty bad for ya. Some of you people just don't get it but Bill Kash has nailed it! I love it when it is told like it really is "
gruinn wrote on Sep 14, 2008 8:17 PM:
" BRAVO on a very well-written piece that years ago would have been front page reporting, but Bush Adm. took that away too.!!
And those of you talking trash like highschoolers, have you been watching Cheney lately while he continues to ignite perils in Russia, Georgia & Pakistan?....You may be worried about our election, but we should all be worried about what Bush & his gang have planned before they are done. They have no conscience when it comes to greed.
If you disagree with this article I guess you haven't lost a friend or child in this occupation or do you believe it's god's war too?.....in which case it's called 'delayed abortion', but justified because of one's faith.
Before you 'wake up' to the situation, you have to be a 'grown up' who's capable of dialogue instead of bully responses. "
And those of you talking trash like highschoolers, have you been watching Cheney lately while he continues to ignite perils in Russia, Georgia & Pakistan?....You may be worried about our election, but we should all be worried about what Bush & his gang have planned before they are done. They have no conscience when it comes to greed.
If you disagree with this article I guess you haven't lost a friend or child in this occupation or do you believe it's god's war too?.....in which case it's called 'delayed abortion', but justified because of one's faith.
Before you 'wake up' to the situation, you have to be a 'grown up' who's capable of dialogue instead of bully responses. "
ab wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:13 PM:
" 1209, why is it you always bring up race? the color of Obama's skin is not going to influence my vote, I will vote for the person best qualified. I believe you are the racist, especially if you are voting because of the color of his skin... "
Girth VonPhister wrote on Sep 14, 2008 10:29 PM:
" Bravo Bill!! Very well stated. Hopefully the worm has started to turn in this election. As time goes by, the true colors of McBush/Palin will come out. The N.Y. Times had a very good article today chronicling Palins early days of corruption and abuse of power. People should read it. It is quite an eye-opener...This country will not survive 4 more years of McBush. God help us all...Thanks again, Bill.. "
RMD wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:08 AM:
" Pure utter nonsense. It is liberals that are destroying this country. You do not love this country at all Bill. To prove my point, I bet you will be voting for Barak Obama, am I right? I rest my case. "
warnertoddhuston wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:11 AM:
" Good God, Bill. You are one of two things. A liar or so filled with hatred for the USA that you cannot see sense. For SURE you know absolutely NOTHING about History! Anyone who equates any US president to Hitler is just a fool, not to be taken seriously. "
lascelles795 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:58 AM:
" Leave it to the media to post their liberal biased opinions... Nothing new. Come back when you have the full story, Bill. "
JD Hogg wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:12 AM:
" This article is full of ignorance and lies...International laws against torture? Please, you are a fool. The muslim terrorists are over there sawing off people's heads with rusty knives, and in our prisons we turn the temperature up and down and we get labeled as Nazi's by our own politicians. No, Mr. Kasch you are quite wrong. You see, it's the Democrats' lust for power that has ruined our reputation with the world. These people were so distraught after losing elections in 2000 and 2004 that they resorted to an anti-war campaign because that was the only way they could start looking appealing to certain voters. Propaganda movies like Farenheit 911 have done as much damage as our Democrat politicians ranting about Bush lying have done. Think about it....when people overseas see movies like that and take it as fact, yeah, it's gonna make us look bad, it may even inspire muslims already on the fence to take up arms and kill American soldiers in Iraq...how many deaths were caused by this Democrat Propaganda campaign? Lets face it, the actions by the Democrats are traitorous, no other country in the world at any time would put up with this garbage. Clearly, Mr. Kasch here has bought into the whole brainwashing campaign and will definetly be voting Democrat...after all, thats all they wanted....your vote! "
kalama river resident wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:38 AM:
" 9/11 might not of happened if Bill Clinton didn't brush aside the threats of Bin laden, Clinton know there was enough of a threat that he ordered a strike that failed to kill Bin laden, but he never followed up, Bush was in office only 9 months before 9/11 so how could his "sheer incompetence" be responsible?? Those attacks were planned way before he took office, but might of been detected if it were not for the fact of Bill Clinton cutting back on the intelligence budgets!!If you try to blame bush for the Iraqi war remember Bill Clinton was in office for 8 years, what did he do, allow saddam to constantly shoot at our aircraft, sit by nimbly as saddam thumbed his nose at the U.N.,rebuilding his war machine, threatening other countries in the region, his weak positions are also responsible for the war!!- Nobody wants to talk about what the region might be like today if saddam was still in power,Oil could of shot up a lot more if saddam was able to finish his WMD programs!!The middle East is a lot more stable now then it was when Bush took office. "
dudester50 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:40 AM:
" right on Bill these neocons rave about liberals hating their country but I don`t think they have learned how to read. He said he hates what they have done to the country! Unless you have lived under a rock how can you not notice what they have done to our country. "
dude wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:59 AM:
" Fair and ballance? TDN, I tired of the constant liberal slant you have. Tired of crap columns like this one. "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:42 AM:
" we might have a republican president in office but up till 2006 gas wasnt $4 per gallon, wall street was strong, consumer confidence was strong and national unemployment was at a low. What changed in 2006? All the liberals wanted change so a democratic congress took over. There is your change in action. "
DW wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:53 AM:
" Well, since Bill Kasch has written that the end is near I guess there is only one thing left to do. I'll quit my middle class job, and tell my son to quit his middle class job. I'll tell my daughter that her efforts to get to a good college are worthless because of George W. Bush. I was thinking we could move to Alaska, but since that is where the evil Sarah Palin comes from that's not an option. Texas might be alright, but again the evil George W. Bush has a home there, no good. The stock markets are crashing all over the world this morning because of George W. Bush. There is no hope for America. George W. Bush and the evil Republicans have taken ALL of our rights away. We can't even talk on the phone without Dick Cheney listening on the other end. So I guess there is nothing left to do. I will have to vote for hope. I will have to vote for change. Our saviour is on the horizon. Barak Hussein Obama. When he is elected there will be no more hurricanes. He will tax the rich into poverty, because that is only fair. The evil oil companies will be nationalized, because that is only fair. It will be illegal to own or drive anything but a hybred car that get 75 miles to the gallon. "
kalama river resident wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:54 AM:
" " we might have a republican president in office but up till 2006 gas wasnt $4 per gallon, wall street was strong, consumer confidence was strong and national unemployment was at a low. What changed in 2006? All the liberals wanted change so a democratic congress took over. There is your change in action. "
This was so good it needed posted again!! this is change you can believe in "
This was so good it needed posted again!! this is change you can believe in "
DW wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:52 AM:
" When Barack Obama is President, the flowers in the meadows will smell sweeter. When Obama is President, the Seahawks will start winning home games against the neener niners. When Barack is elected my car will be tuned perfectly and my tires will never go flat. Hope is on the horizon. When Obama is elected the war on drugs will be over, and I can get all the meth I want at the local pharmacy. The sun sets will be glowing with the clouds taking the shape of the Messiah, Barack Hussein Obama. Poverty will illegal. The migrant farm works from our beloved neighbors to the south will be welcomed with parades and roses floating in the sky. The world will see America as a shining star in the heavens, with hope, and change, that will bring peace and prosperity for all of Gods children. The radical muslims will lay down their weapons and greet us a equals in the community of planet earf. Obama will make war illegal. All of the billions of dollars in military spending will be diverted to making sure that every citizen is taken care of from cradle to grave. The military industrial complex will be mothballed and all of the evil weapons of mass destruction that the once evil United States has will be destroyed. Children will dance and sing with gumdrop smiles. Mankind will have awakened, and peace will prevail. "
sentinel wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:16 AM:
" Hyperbole like this is exactly why people on the far left and the far right will never be taken seriously. You can disagree with George Bush and believe his policies and politics are harmful, but to compare him or any other elected official in this country to the greatest mass murderer in history is shameful. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:39 AM:
" Bush as Hitler? Well, at least he had the testicular fortitude to write in a newspaper for everyone to see rather than beat around the bush, no pun intended. So, the guy that liberates a nation from tyranny, a nation in which their leader used chemical weapons against his own people, a nation that now has free elections, a nation that will soon be under its own governance without US intervention, that guy that helped this country remove the specter of evil, that guy is Hitler? The same Hitler who murdered 6 million Jews, Catholics, gypsies, homosexuals, and anyone else deemed less than human according to Aryan perfection ideals, that is who Mr. Kasch has compared the President of the United States to? There is comedy, there's high comedy, there's transcendent comedy, and then there is Bill Kasch comparing George Bush to Adolf Hitler. Unbelievable. You guys will print anything to get Obama a couple of more votes, won't you? "
An observer wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:49 AM:
" How sad, to compare our Congress, who are truely responsible for getting us into this war (Article 1 Section 8); to the horrific Third Reich. Ignorance is Bliss, The article reflects the same attitude of the Chamberlain government and the League of Nations who allowed Hitler to march into Poland, Czech.,and Austria in an effort to prevent war. "Let there be Peace in our time"! "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:14 PM:
" Did he just suggest Bush knocked down the towers to set up the war in Iraq? I'm all for free speech but I think anyone who says something like that wouldn't be stupid enough to do so without evidence. Therefore they should be taken into custody by the FBI, CIA, Homeland Security, etc. and questioned for the source of that evidence. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:27 PM:
" This is complete Liberal insanity. Comparing a U.S. president to the worst mass murderer in history. I know this is free speech. Too bad we don't require brains, though. This is nothing but Liberal propaganda meant to inspire votes for Obama. What a disgrace. Are you Liberals this desperate? Really? McCain-Palin must have you very, very scared. You have no one to blame for how this election turns out but yourself. The majority of America just won't follow you. We will tolerate you because of free speech and democracy. But the majority of America will never follow you or accept your ideals. And that leaves you desperate enough to make wild accusations like this. Unbelievable. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 15, 2008 12:50 PM:
" If Obama had picked Hillary instead Biden you guys would still be up by 10 in the polls and wouldn't have to lash out like this to gain attention in order to garner Obama/Biden votes. "
WsuCoug wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:00 PM:
" This article reminds me of why you shouldn't use the internet to substantiate your claims. I don't know where you got some of your information but I think you need to hit the history books not Wikipedia. "
DUH wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:11 PM:
" I may be voting Democrat this year but, I don't buy into that conspiracy crap for a second. Bush didn't plan 9/11. On the other hand though, he did promise to hold those responsible for it accountable and bring them to justice. 7 years later and still no Bin Laden. If Bush really wanted him, he would have gotten him a long time ago. You want to blame Clinton for not getting him before it happened then you must also blame Bush for not getting him after it happened. You want to say the war in Iraq is a war on terrorism? What a crock! Sure we may be getting some of Al qeada but, they are the lowest ones on Bin Ladens totem pole. All the suicide bombers and car bombers are the ones that cant cut the mustard in his army. Do you think for a minute that he's going to have his best and strongest blow themselves up in order to kill just a handful of people? His best and strongest are the ones that kill mass amounts of people. So, while we are wasting our time in Iraq, he's building a better and stronger army for the next 9/11. We need to get him before that happens. Thanks for not holding up to your promise there Mr. Bush. "
mary wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:25 PM:
" What has happened to this paper? This guy needs to be fired! What a shame to our soldiers.What about Bill Clinton going in to Bosnia, He must be Hitler too.History is full of them so why pick on just one, you lefty. "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 1:47 PM:
" Hitler is merely a historical analogy; but this was a war of choice and a war of aggression, just like Hitler's war. The Nazi analogy is always bad retoric, and probably completely unjustified. Yet we kill 4,500 of our own soldiers, more than a 1/2 a million Iraqis for basically nothing. You bobblehead dolls go ahead and defend this Iraqi war if you want. I am for peace, and our treasury will suffer for the unbridled spending for the next 50 years. Tell us what you like about President Bush, you people who voted for him simply believed the lies he told during his two campaign, just like McCain is doing now, lieing. Do you want your votes back now that Bush has this country fondering? Hell Merril Lynch and Lehman Brothers failed today. Bush has no responsibility? Will it change your actions now after 8 years of being lied to? I doubt it, you would not recognize your own interests if they bit you on the ankle. "
dudester50 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:05 PM:
" you neocons keep bashing bill but I have not seen a single fact from any of you to disprove his claims. Take a look around this country is a mess and was before 2006, get your heads out of the sand. "
1209 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:26 PM:
" The real purpose of this article is to exploit the Republican hate speech and lack of creativity, as led by the "G**K HATING" John McCain (see Seattle PI, March 2, 2000). Keep the Republicans talking, and Republicans will lose votes. Call it "Palining". RNC chants of "Drill, Baby, Drill!" have moved alternative fuel votes (and dollars) to Obama. This is evidenced by the $66 Million raised by Obama immediately after the RNC. Bill Kasch has done his job by drawing the hate speech of the "G**K HATING" (Seattle PI, March 2, 2000) followers of John McCain. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Mr. Kasch,
What an insightful article and something that Americans need to take to heart. All the negative responses simply represent the same old negative messages and there is nothing original there. Your viewpoint may be a tough sell but I believe there are many who share your opinion. We have been victimized by the current administration and I'm hopeful that when Barack Obama is President, we will again gain the trust of the world. It will be a big job but not one that McCain and/or the extremely unqualified Palin can do. Thank you for sharing your opinion and for putting your name on it. Most of those who reply, wouldn't be brave enough to do that... "
What an insightful article and something that Americans need to take to heart. All the negative responses simply represent the same old negative messages and there is nothing original there. Your viewpoint may be a tough sell but I believe there are many who share your opinion. We have been victimized by the current administration and I'm hopeful that when Barack Obama is President, we will again gain the trust of the world. It will be a big job but not one that McCain and/or the extremely unqualified Palin can do. Thank you for sharing your opinion and for putting your name on it. Most of those who reply, wouldn't be brave enough to do that... "
DW wrote on Sep 15, 2008 2:59 PM:
" cheney119, if there is governmental responsibility, it would be with congress pressuring banks to make bad loans...It is now time to eat the paddukas on this mess and NO MORE GOVERNMENT BAIL-OUTS. Let them go down. The country will get through it if we don't continue to bail out every business that has a rough time. And 1209, if I had been tortured and beaten like McCain was for all the years he was held captive, I would not have very nice things to say about the specific individuals that did that to me. McCain has more bravery and patiotism in his soul for this country than any liberal that spouts off like you do 1209. So get over it. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:00 PM:
" You guys can spin the "historical analogy" anyways you want, but it's a helluva jump from Hitler to Bush. At least DUH, for all the ideological disagreements we have (and the list is long), at least he can acknowledge that the argument and the conspiracy theories are hogwash, and at least he can try to keep the conversation on intelligent terms, unlike some of this lot. I mean that for both sides, mind you. As for you 1209, I read the whole P-I story that you so love to reference when you find it convienent, which seems to be as often as can be. Taken in context, I understand what he's saying. He isn't disparaging the entire Asian-American community. He's talking about sadistic guards who aren't worth the air that they breathe. I don't like the term, and I don't like that he used it, but I'll give him a pass because I'm not sure I or anyone else would feel differently. It's a lot more excusable than Barack Obama calling his own grandmother a "typical white person," which really makes me wonder what on earth he thinks makes a typical white person. Does he think we all secretly want to eliminate people of color from the planet? No, according to Bill Kasch, it's just George Bush who wants to purify the planet. I still can't believe he took the Hitler route. What a joke. "
bmoc wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:27 PM:
" Thanks for getting the warmongers riled up, Bill. Their colors show through, and they all make me sick. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:44 PM:
" Cheney, last time I looked, President Bush is leaving office in January. So whether or not you think he is or has done a good job, I don't really care. But let's talk about Obama. What exactly has he done since being elected senator? Can you explain one piece of legislation he's written? Can you tell me what makes him qualified to lead our military? I am anxiously awaiting your responses. I refuse to comment anymore on the stupidity of this Liberal approach. It is beyond comment it is so ignorant. Kasich has his head up ... well if I complete that thought this will get censored. "
The Grateful Dad wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:51 PM:
" Reading the uninformed rants of a passionate patriotic American is just as frustrating as listening to anyone else in the "neutral" media these days. THIS IS NOT BUSH'S WAR! The 1st Gulf War, Operation Desert Storm, was never over. A "CEASE FIRE' was agreed to, written up by UN member countries. Saddam Hussein violated that cease fire hundreds of times. Even ONE violation of that cease fire called for immediate military action to deal with the situation. What Bill Clinton and his administration WOULD NOT do, our current President got done. Bill Clinton also had the opportunity to capture and prosecute Osama Bin Laden, but he WOULD NOT do that, either. Hundreds of American servicemen had already needlessly been killed by Osama Bin Laden's legion's of terrorists, but Clinton did nothing. Again, THIS IS NOT BUSH'S WAR. And complaining about 4,000 soldiers dying is asinine! Yes, it's sad that they're gone, but they've given their lives in honor and for a good cause. During WWII, more American soldiers died daily than all of those lost in this current war. Get a grip, people. War is hell, but sometimes necessary. NOTE THAT NO ATTACKS HAVE HAPPENED ON OUR HOMELAND SINCE 9/11. That is NO coincidence. "
Cheney119 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:53 PM:
" DW a leading bobblehead, wasn't this a republican congress, all these loans were made before 2007. How do banks make loans to people with no job or assets, yet investment banks buy the the bundled loans like they are good investments? Then insurance companies like AIG insure the investments (AIG is the next domino to fall by the way). Again you ignorant bobblehead dolls don't recognize that the regulation is in your interest, these banks made commission they've got their money already, the taxpayer and stockholder are left holding the bag. Bobblehead doll! Do you don't recognize your own interests, anything these jerks do is fine, just keep noding. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 15, 2008 3:54 PM:
" 1209 is simply trying to quash the fact that Obama is racist. Sen. McCain's feelings are toward people who held him prisoner and tortured him for 5-plus years. Obama cannot run from the fact that held financially supported a racist and then tried to explain using his "typically white" grandmother as an example. He uses racist sexist speech all the time ... his attacks on Palin, his statment about his face being different than the faces on dollar bills. And the Liberals and the Liberal media lets him off because he's considered black. If a white GOP candidate did half of what he's done, they would be tarred and feathered by the Liberal crowd. But that's OK, Republicans know they have never run a racist for president. Liberals have now done it twice with George Wallace and Obama in the past 50 years alone. I am amazed they haven't tried to run Barney Frank. I guess that day will come to. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:17 PM:
" klb65: I am independent and have not decided who I will vote for yet. But, can you explain to me how you think Palin is extremely unqualified to be VP and Obama is qualified to be President. Seems to me they've got about the same amount of time in politics but hers time has been executive and actually governing. His has been as a senator where all you do is show up and vote if you want to. And as revealed by his voting record, he did not want to on many occasions. Either way the experience issue doesn't matter to me. As a matter of fact, I figure the shorter the amount of time in politics the better the possibility the politician has not quite been corrupted YET. I just think it's hypocritical for people voting for Obama to criticize Palin's experience, because by my calculations, she has more experience, and has done more with that experience. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:42 PM:
" But aren't the banks and the insurance companies privately owned entities, cheney? If that is the case, and I'm pretty sure it is, what does Congress and the President have to do with that? If the federal government were in charge of banks, insurance, and mortgages, I shudder to think of what would happen. Higher rates would be the first, since there would be no competition from anyone to keep prices down. And let's just get this one out in the open, once and for all: THE PRESIDENT DIDN'T MAKE PEOPLE BUY STUFF THEY COULDN'T AFFORD. The blame is on those who thought they could buy a $250,000 home on $30,000 a year wages. Is there no such thing as responsibility for one's actions anymore, or are we expecting the government to save the day and save us from our own irresponsibilities? "
skeezix wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:51 PM:
" castle rocker, Keep in mind that the state Governor Palin "leads", has a population of roughly 100,000 fewer people than Multnomah County. The argument can be made that she is the Governor of the largest state in the Union, however, it can't be ignored that the state of Alaska is largely empty. "
DUH wrote on Sep 15, 2008 4:58 PM:
" In March 2008, the Pentagon released its study of some 600,000 documents captured in Iraq after the 2003 invasion (see 2008 Pentagon Report). The study "found no 'smoking gun' (i.e., direct connection) between Saddam's Iraq and al Qaeda. "
DW wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:17 PM:
" Remember Cheney119, I am not a republicrat. The repulicans left the conservatives a long long time ago. It's time to stop the bail outs and put a few crooked bankers in jail. But remember when Obama is president the world will be cured of all evils as we have been delivered. The Messiah will take all our problems away. whatever..... "
1209 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:23 PM:
" Notable white supremacist Republicans today: David Duke and George Wallace, Jr. (supported by John McCain). Experience? The President Of The United States will need to have FORMAL TRAINING in analytical problem solving to lead the world in the next 8 years. A seasoned Civil Rights Lawyer, University of Chicago Legal Instructor, or The President Of The Harvard Law Review (all Obama) would each have more FORMAL TRAINING for analytical problem solving than any mayor of some virtually nonexistent small town in Alaska (guess who?). "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 15, 2008 5:58 PM:
" Skeezix: Population of approx. 700,000 and budget of I think 6 billion. Show me experience like that for Obama. He shows up and votes yea or nay in the senate. Tough job. "
Cheney119 wrote on Sep 15, 2008 6:15 PM:
" The blame is on those who thought they could buy a $250,000 home on $30,000 a year. Do you really believe that? The blame lies solely with the bank, that's why loans get rejected. The duty of the bank, private business or not, is to loan money with the reasonable assumption that the money will be paid back, that keeps them in business. No income, no assets, that's just going through the motions for a commission. That is where the regulators failed, the banks were loaning the money with no regard, or even concern about the money being paid back. These mortgages were bundled and sold as an equity. That is because this was made legal by republican legislation, stuck onto a spending bill in the middle of the night in 1999, sponsored by Phil Graham, one of McCain's leading economic advisors and the same jackass that says we have a mental recession and called the American people a bunch of winers. This crisis is purely a failure of regulatory dilligence. Something republicans fail at everytime. They can't run the government, but they can run a great campaign, they just lie. But I am sick of trying to convince ignorant people like you though, it is a waste of my valuable time. "
BigMike wrote on Sep 15, 2008 7:28 PM:
" My favorite part is how Republicans refuse to believe the truth, even when it stares them in the face. "
Gondolapete wrote on Sep 15, 2008 8:09 PM:
" Democrats thought they had the election in the bag. They won the congress because people were fed up with the Republicans and angry with Bush. They figured this election was a cakewalk. They figured wrong and here's why: In the democrat world view, people are fed up with Bush because of his conservatism and his aggressive pursuit of terrorism. That's 180 degrees off the mark. People got fed up with Bush because of his overtures to liberalism. What Bush did to make people fed up are things Obama would do times 10 and all but democrats know that. The Republican congress got fired for the same reason. They governed like democrats. That's not going to translate into any widespread love of democrats and I only need point to the 9% approval ratings of the current congress to support that point.
The idea that there was a widespread enlightenment leading to an embrace of socialism is just plain wrong, but it's what's driving democrat strategy. Good luck with that. McCain won the Republican nomination due to democrat crossover votes, and didn't do a thing to win conservative votes during the primaries, but after the nomination was in the bag, and to his credit, like a wily old fighter pilot he pulled lead and fired one up the democrats' tailpipe by selecting a pretty and pretty conservative woman for his running mate. How's that feelin' to you, Barak? Hitler eh? "
The idea that there was a widespread enlightenment leading to an embrace of socialism is just plain wrong, but it's what's driving democrat strategy. Good luck with that. McCain won the Republican nomination due to democrat crossover votes, and didn't do a thing to win conservative votes during the primaries, but after the nomination was in the bag, and to his credit, like a wily old fighter pilot he pulled lead and fired one up the democrats' tailpipe by selecting a pretty and pretty conservative woman for his running mate. How's that feelin' to you, Barak? Hitler eh? "
Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 15, 2008 9:48 PM:
" Wow... I see this article littered with half truths and the only thing funnier is the responses here. I personally think that 1209 is predjudice against the caucasion people of our country. I say there is no room for racism in our country... we do need to get the US out of the UN and seal our borders from illegals no matter what country they come from. Also we need to abolish NAFTA, it is helping to kill what is left of our economy. Bring our troops home, but finish the stabilizing the middle east and let them run it into Armegedon all on their own! Some of these posts just crack me up with the nonsense that comes from of the posters... Keep up the good work... I won't have to read the comics! :D "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 15, 2008 10:28 PM:
" Cheney and 1209 are so far out in left field this is the best they can do. 1209 can't dispute that George Wallace was a racist Democrat and then he tries to McCain to his son. Nice try, won't work. You guys really need to come up with an answer about Obama's lack of experience and the fact that both Biden and Hillary have said he isn't qualified to be president. Anybody remember Joe Biden. Since McCain picked Palin, Biden has been completely left out. Remember before the GOP convention 1209 and Cheney were both saying that McCain's choice showed he couldn't be a leader. I guess America doesn't think like Cheney, 1209, or BMOC. Their Liberal rhetoric will go away in November when America is in good hands wit McCain and Palin. Sorry Obama go back to headstart and try again when you've done something. "
The Grateful Dad wrote on Sep 15, 2008 11:33 PM:
" All I can think of to say in response to all of 1209's comments is this; I remember when I had MY first beer! "
1209 wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:37 AM:
" Experience? McCain shows up and votes yea or nay in the senate for the last 26 years. Tough job. " "
kalama river resident wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:22 AM:
" Cheney119-"That is because this was made legal by republican legislation, stuck onto a spending bill in the middle of the night in 1999, sponsored by Phil Graham," so that means that BILL CLINTON signed that bill??? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:22 AM:
" You're talking about wasting valuable time on a blog? Umm, rrrrriiiiiiight. I'll concede the banks are guilty of this as well, in that they should have known better than to loan money to people that you or I wouldn't loan a nickel to. With that said, why didn't those people read the fine-print about those interest-only loans that they took out. My dad always told me, "If it sounds to good to be true, it probably is." Maybe some of those unfortunate souls should have heeded that advice. While the government has a small responsibility to regulate some aspects of the finacial sector, the solution is not to nationalize all aspects of banking and commerce. Try this for an analogy: When it comes to mailing stuff, what do you use the US Postal Service for? Letters and junk mail, right? You don't use it for anything truly valuable. That's where UPS and FedEx and DHL come in. Name me one private business that uses the USPS as their primary source of delivering packages and the like. I know mine does not, because it's too bloody inefficent. We send bills through the mail and that's about it. If government actually operated like a business, the whole lot of them, Congress, the Senate, even the President, they would all be out of work because none of them can operate within a budget. Even the GOP, unfortunately. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 16, 2008 8:31 AM:
" 1209: Yeah, and Obama's done it for 4 years. Who you votin' for again. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 16, 2008 9:25 AM:
" TheGenius - Slamming the Post Office as a reason not to nationalize private industries is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. You trust it with bills don't you? The United States Post Office is one of the most efficiently run institutions in the country. Low overhead and stunning ability to deliver billions of parcels relatively quickly. Stick to blaming people for being approved for loans they weren't qualified to receive. "
Huggygramma wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:03 AM:
" Kudos to Bill Kasch for having the cojones to write this excellent article. Those who have criticized the Nazi reference clearly have never read Mein Kampf. And to Grateful Dad: I remember when I heard Steve Martin use that line in a small comedy club in SoCal back in the mid 70's. Please think of something original. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:43 AM:
" Yeah, and we follow up with emails and phone calls as well for billing. If the USPS is so great, why do we need FedEx and UPS? If anything, those companies kicked the USPS in the rear to get their act together. So, yeah, competition was a great thing. It took them from "Absolute crap" to "average." La-dee-frickin'-dah. Let's have the federal government bail out every business and person that can't make ends meet so we can have everything be average. Isn't that the ultimate goal of liberalism- to make everything and everyone, average? I can't believe I'm getting into it with a guy who calls himself cobra kai. Could you be less original in your 80's pop culture references. "
ptb wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:54 AM:
" Ok...Bill..enough of the hateful rhetoric already. If I hear another liberal compare Bush to Hitler I'm going to puke. Bill...Have you done your reasearch on Hitler? Do you even know who he was? Probably not. I don't recall George Bush slaughtering 6 million plus innocent lives. And no Bill the US is not like the terrorists..we have rights here. We don't slice peoples throats here if they are gay. Woman have rights here. We don't kill innocent women and children Bill.....stop it already. Ignorant hateful intolerant liberals is the word. You bash conservatism but I guarantee you have never listened to the other side such as conservative radio...why? Cause your close minded like most libs are. Michael Moore is a terrorist lover btw...I have never once heard him damn the terrorists....and by the way you think the US provoked the terrorists Bill??? That's why they are in conflict with just about everyone and every religion in the world. How do you explain Christian slavery in Sudan???That has nothing to do with Bush. Terrorists hate everyone. ....uggg ...you guys make me so angry. You do not have to like Bush..but stop trying to sound like your such an intellectual and say we are just like the terrorists...get your facts straight.....How do you explain suicide bombings Bill????? I don't recall Americans doing that....I don't recall Bush throwing us in concentration camps.....oh yes Bill....we have it soooooo horrible here.......you don't know everything Bill...I'm not for the Iraq war...but enough is enough ..nice "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:30 AM:
" As an independent voter who has not made up my mind who I am going t vote for, I have to say these Obama supporters sound stupid enough in there ranting to make me not want to be one of them. Listening to McCain and Obama I have not been able to choose, they are very different but both seem genuine in their desire to lead this country into new directions, and better days. But, from what I hear from Obama supporters they are bordering on lunacy in their claims, and suggestions that are backed up by zero facts or evidence. I can honestly say right now that Obama VOTERS are pushing me away from Obama, who I was actually leaning toward voting for. "
Hauskapoika wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:19 PM:
" The article is ridiculous and completely ignores facts. On the other
hand, those on the far right are just as ridiculous. There is one good thing about the article: It points out that extremists in both parties make it nearly impossible to for politicians to do their job in resolving our nation's problems. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. "
hand, those on the far right are just as ridiculous. There is one good thing about the article: It points out that extremists in both parties make it nearly impossible to for politicians to do their job in resolving our nation's problems. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 16, 2008 12:28 PM:
" By the way, huggygramma, I did happen to read "Mein Kampf" for a European History class in college. The ramblings of someone with delusions of granduer and an evil heart & mind. But, if you think that you can relate it to Bush, then maybe you refer to his concept of "lebensraum," German for "living space." He viewed Eastern Europe as ideal for an invasion that would allow for the neccessary space for Aryans to live. Bush invaded Iraq to find WMDs (which Iraq has possessed) and to overthrow Saddam Hussein's regime. Nothing ever came up about making Baghdad prime living space for Americans. Maybe Iraqis, but not Americans. So that pretty much leaves the whole part about a master race and how Jews are keeping the master race from reaching it's destiny. If you can make a connection between Nazi ideology and the politics of George W. Bush, I would love to see that. In fact, I challenge anyone to prove, intellectually, parallels between George W. Bush and Adolf Hitler. No name-calling, no juvenile bollocks, just a factually accurrate comparison that could be backed up with real evidence. I would really love to read that. "
ccd wrote on Sep 16, 2008 1:15 PM:
" In 2000, the top 20% in this country controlled 70% of its wealth. In 2008, they control 84%. I wouldn't compare King George to Hitler - but for every innocent person killed on 9/11, 200plus innocent Iraqi civilians have died. There were no terrorists in Iraq until we dissolved their Govt, dished out sweetheart deals to Halliburton & crooked Int'l Corporations, and overstayed our welcome. Unfortunately, many people fail to realize that it's not only terrorism that threatens this country. Too much deregulation, unethical corporate behavior, NAFTA, pork barrel & earmarks & corruption in the Administration, House and Senate - they've bankrupted us. Plenty of blame on both sides - but the NeoConArtists posing as our Republican party are the WORST. Now they're after YOUR health care benefits. If you get them through your employer, McCain will tax those dollars as income. If you buy them yourself, be prepared to spend nearly 20% of your gross income on the premiums alone. Median family income in U.S.= $61,300; median monthly health ins. premium= $1,000. All you'll get is a crappy tax write off at the end of the year. Palin, abortion, gun rights, religion - all a distraction to keep us bickering while they attack the middle & working class, taking every last dime from us until we are the working poor and the top 20% own 99% of all. Elect McCain, only yourself to blame. "
skeezix wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:26 PM:
" Castle Rocker, Senator Obama represents considerably more than 700,000 people in his current post. As for the $6 billion budget...I'm not sure that is a good argument. As far as the current administration goes, "budget" is just a term to use, not a process to follow. While some may argue that the reason for the deficit is because of a Democratic controlled congress, that is fairly recent. Our debt continues to grow and has been doing so since there was a Republican controlled congress. I appreciate your comments and I too am registered as an independent. I simply don't see how this nation can take much more of the current policies and with McCain, I would be very surprised if there were significant differences than what we see now. "
columbian wrote on Sep 16, 2008 2:43 PM:
" CCD GOOD ARTICAL SEEMS FUNNY THE REPUBLICANS DONT TAKE TIME TO LOOK BACK AND SEE WHATS GOING ON.CHENEY AND HIS HALLIBURTON TIES IS ENOUGH FOR ME.HES ONE OF THE BIGGEST STOCK HOLDERS AND IN ON OVER 100 CONTRACTS IN IRAQ.AND LOOK BACK IT WAS GEOS. GRANDAD THAT WAS FRIENDS WITH HITLER AM I WRONG. "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:14 PM:
" Kalama River Resident, I love the Kalama river, caught 2 silvers there today out there. Your opinion on the other hand is complete BS. The legislation that deregulated banking was stuck onto a spending bill in the middle of the night, and who knows what gets stuck to spending bills. You republicans are to blame, but the question is, how do we restore regulatory sanity, especially when you republican's 11th commandment is thou shalt not regulate, anything. The problem is republicans don't believe in regulation. Let's talk Enron, or S&L Crisis, or what's going on now with investment banks and AIG and probably other insurance companies. The financial problems we are having now are the same problems we had in 1929, selling on margin, no collateral, NO FUNDAMENTALS!!! Why don't you jackasses defending the current policy take an econ class. Do you even understand the basic economic principles? I really doubt you bobble head dolls understand anything, but republican talking points on Fox News. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:29 PM:
" Sorry I'm not as original as naming myself TheGenius. When was the Post Office ever "absolute crap?" I mean what are you talking about? I suppose in theory there could be some support for the USPS making better use of newer technologies because of their competition, I was just pointing out that if you want to take a swipe at a government program, the USPS isn't exactly the best. Maybe you had bad experiences with the post office, though, I don't know. BTW - What's your take on the Bush administration bailing out Freddie Mae and Fannie Mac? How about AIG? Bear Stearns? Does your disgust with government handouts stop with being able to blame "liberals?" "
American First wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:33 PM:
" WOW- There are a lot of people who want everything, only expect others to pay for it. It appears ccd is of the opinion that Republicans are going to be tax happy, well it may serve ccd well to get political information from a source other then MTV or the Comedy channel. Palin is right on, these issues are only distractions to people who prefer having life dictated to them because they are not capable, or just to lazy to think for and take care of themselves wanting society to pat for it. Can you imagine the cost of socialized medical care!! Health care is not a right nor should be guaranteed.
Earmarks are a favorite of Washington State Senators, I believe they are Democrats, you need to contact them ccd, they will tell you they are for them, like they told me in letter form. Your pinning most of the blame on the wrong party, the Dem's are polluted with socialists now, this mind set is the single biggest threat to our country and way of life. "
Earmarks are a favorite of Washington State Senators, I believe they are Democrats, you need to contact them ccd, they will tell you they are for them, like they told me in letter form. Your pinning most of the blame on the wrong party, the Dem's are polluted with socialists now, this mind set is the single biggest threat to our country and way of life. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:53 PM:
" CCd, there were no terrorists in Iraq before the U.S. went there? Is that what you said? And I guess the Kurds thought Saddam was Bill Clinton, eh? Talk to the people in Israel about no terrorists in Iraq. CCD you were fortunate to be born in America where freedoms are expected like voting, drinking, talking, lying. Until we went to Iraq, more than 50 percent of that country had never voted. Had never been able to make a political choice. Now they have a chance but of course you would deny that right, wouldn't you. Go ahead keep defending the terrorist and the radical Muslims. If Obama wins, and turns the country over to Iran, the first people they will come looking for are you Liberals. They despise your lifestyles that you like to flaunt. Same sex marriages in an Islamic country? Ha Ha. Abortions? Ha Ha. Faith. Oh yes. You will have faith or you will die. So please CCD show some kind of intelligence, please. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 16, 2008 3:59 PM:
" Cheney, 1209 and the rest of you Liberals, when I am wrong, I am big enough to admit. You know I have been saying that Obama never authored any meaningful legislation in his brief Senate career or worked with the other party. Well, darn it, I was dead wrong. Why I just learned that 13 percent of the Republican Senators backed Obama's legislation that created a stamp for Rosa Parks. Now how come he hasn't been telling of that great experience. Where are the commercials? My god, we've been lied to by McCain when he talks about Obama's non-eventful Senatorial career. I mean I can't think of more meaninful legislation this country has needed in the past four years, not health care, not an energy plan, not a jobs bill, but yes we need a stamp for Rosa Parks. How did we ever get by without one? So yes, I was wrong and I admit it. Obama does know how to get us licked. "
Atrucker wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:03 PM:
" Bush has gutted the nation, our banks and stock markets are failing . Bush senior and Jr. Are pushing for the new world order. We will be the victims of that order . If you continue to ignore
how ruthless they have been on your constitional rights , then you are just blind to the truth as well. Home land security , should be called marshal law . The last time I heard homeland anything was Hitler's war.
Make no mistake about it the Bushes belong to the Aluminati , which is why things are the way they are .
Say what you want about Clinton , we had jobs then and a balanced budget, and good economy . Now we have high unemployment , poor economy, out of control budget, and high prices . thank -you GB . "
how ruthless they have been on your constitional rights , then you are just blind to the truth as well. Home land security , should be called marshal law . The last time I heard homeland anything was Hitler's war.
Make no mistake about it the Bushes belong to the Aluminati , which is why things are the way they are .
Say what you want about Clinton , we had jobs then and a balanced budget, and good economy . Now we have high unemployment , poor economy, out of control budget, and high prices . thank -you GB . "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:22 PM:
" Yeah, I spent about two seconds coming up with the name. Anyways, I don't like government bailouts to businesses that are irresponsible. Doesn't matter what industry it is. It isn't just the liberals doing it either. The problem with the makeup of the current GOP is that they pretty much are for the same things as Democrats, except they won't raise taxes. Therefore, there isn't a great difference between the two parties anymore. The problem with third parties is they never crack into that top 2 for various reasons, primarily money. It's a crap situation for all of us. I'm backing McCain by default, because I can't get behind Obama. McCain really isn't much better from a philosophical standpoint for me. The thing he gives is knowing that he actually loves this country, and wants to keep us safe and free of tyranny. That is not to suggest Obama doesn't want us to be safe, or even that he hates his country (although I'm not sure about that wife of his). I just think his ideas about change are empty and idealistic. There are no real solutions that he suggests that I think would work. I'll say it again: government needs to work within a budget in the same way a business does. It needs to be accountable and learn what is important and what is unimportant. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:31 PM:
" Yeah, umm, Hitler and the Nazis called Germany the Fatherland. And last time I checked, my neighborhood and business wasn't being vandalized by crazed mobs looking to rid their land of Judaism. So, can we all just agree the Hitler-Bush analogy doesn't work. I don't see anyone being forced on trains, on to death camps, I don't see us planning an invasion of our neighbors in the name of "lebensraum." I don't see riot police gunning down anti-war protestors in the streets. I don't see an entire race of people being systematically eliminated from human existence. I don't see swastikas hanging from the pillars of the White House or the Supreme Court. What I see is a country that is in a tough spot, but is not in the darkest hours of the Republic. This country was born out of adversity and difficult decisions. Everything that is happening now will pass. Fascism is not upon the USA. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 16, 2008 4:45 PM:
" Here is a simple comparision between Obama and Bush: Obama, no military experience or leadership; McCain -- a decorate Navy pilot who sacrificed 5-plus years of his life in a POW camp during a war created by the Democrats under Kennedy and LBJ. Obama, top executive skill -- community organizer; McCain -- 30 years in government, and a military officer. Obama, biggest Senatorial moment -- a stamp for Rosa Parks; McCain, campaign finance and immigration legislation among the many pieces of legislation he has co-authored. Ability to change Washington -- Obama: not unless Reid and Pelosi sgin off; McCain -- repeatedly goes against GOP ideals and works with Democrats on ways to improve America; character -- Obama: friends include a radical murdering bmober, a slum lord, a jailed ex-major and of course the infamous moral guide Rev. Wright; McCain -- well how about former Democratic VP Joe Lieberman; Executive Decisions -- Obama picks Brain Dead Joe Biden for VP; McCain picks fellow maverick Sarah Palin and more than 20 percent of Hillary's supporters join in; military expertise -- Obama -- didn't know Russia had a veto on UN Security Council; McCain -- backed surge in Iraq and U.S. departure can be discussed; Energy -- Obama -- check tire levels; McCain -- comprehensive plan includes drilling, nuclear and alternative fuel exploration. Qualifications -- Obama -- Biden and Hillary said none; McCain -- a life of dedication to this country. Vote McCain-Palin for a better America. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:18 PM:
" That was a real neutral look at the two candidates Bad Boy. Thanks for that effort. "
DUH wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:18 PM:
" And yet in polls today McCain/Palin lead by only one percentage point. Was as high as 5 points last week. Whats up with that Bad Boy? "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 16, 2008 7:55 PM:
" Thats enough from these liberals that get all their facts from CNN. How many of you have been in the Desert, a couple maybe. None of you know how much good we have done there. Al Qaeda is falling, democracy is catching hold. Anderson Cooper says something on CNN about how 1 bad event happens and all you puppets get brain washed. How dare this guy compare Bush to Hitler and these terrorists to innocent Jews. These "innocent jews" would slit saw your head off and a lot worse to your women for the simple fact we worship god and not allah. Wake up, these people hate us. Like every war Civillian Casualties were suffered but that was the result of the same terrorists we are fighting. Welcome to reality. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 16, 2008 10:59 PM:
" Cobra Kai: No it didn't sound like a neutral look at the candidates but I'm reading it right now and cannot find one false statement. Tell me what part of it is untrue. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:00 PM:
" Duh: About 3 weeks ago Obama was up 12. What's up with that? "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:02 PM:
" Duh, McCain has never been ahead by 5 points. What are you smoking. In fact, until this week, the best he had done was pull even in a couple of polls. Now he leads. Obama has seen a 15-16 point lead in July evoporate faster than drink in Ted Kennedy's hand. But Duh, come on, even you know the real election is the electoral college. Last month most experts gave Obama a 30-vote cushion. Now, he leads by 3 or 4 and states that were his such as Colorado, Florida, Virginia are now tossups with McCain slighly ahead. So wherever you get your news from, I don't know. But none of the polls have ever had McCain ahead by 5 points. Obama is so weak that he's going to make Kerry look like Clinton. No leadership. Today, McCain offers an idea on bringing both parties together, the business leaders and the top economists to look for answers for all. All Obama could offer was criticism. He has no idea what leadership is about. I've never been a Biden fan, but he nailed when he said Obama was the least qualified of the Democratic candidates to be president. And just now Congress passes the bill for limited off-shore drilling. Thanks Pukelosi, you are only a year or two late. Does anybody really want Nancy Pelosi in charge of our government. She told Obama she didn't want Hillary on the ticket. She had to be top woman. Guess what he did? "
loudly wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:12 PM:
" I hope that Bill Kasch isn't this writers real name. His writing is both preposterous and humerous! Let's get one thing straight. If we wanted to, we could have planted WMD's in IRAQ. Think about that you demo dummies! Second, Muslim extremist's hate our guts and want us dead. They wanted us dead far before they hit the twin towers with planes. Does anyone remember the truck bombing during the Clinton years? How about the twin attacks on US embassies? How short Democrats memories are. How can Bill Kasch show his face in public after having written such a blatantly false opinion piece. It also goes to show me the level of thinking of our average democrat. They will follow anyone and allow anyone to blame "US HATEFUL AMERICANS"! I say heck with ya! Mr. Kasch mentions nero fiddling as Rome burns. He incorrectly attributes a comparison to Bush (who by the way ok'd a bail out of Fannie May/Freddie Mack). A more correct comparison would be that Obama wants to steal my hard earned money while my house is being foreclosed and the city is burning and he is having high tea with terrorists! "
yeoldgrump wrote on Sep 16, 2008 11:43 PM:
" Well now, Mr. Kasch, you don't speak for me. I reckon you'd better do some research before you speak out. For one thing, this war is Jimmy Carter's war. It started with the attack of our embassy in Tehran and has continued since. President Bush is the first to recognize it as a war against us seein' as how Osama Bin Laden had openly declared war on the United States. There is documentation to support this.
We are, in fact, winning and will continue to do so. Further, there have been no more attacks on our people in the United States homeland while Pres. Bush has been in office since 9/11. There have been attempts which have been thwarted.
Don't give me that BS about wasting lives either. Not one life is wasted when it comes to the safety and security of this nation. God Bless those who freely give of themselves to support and defend this country (this includes not only those in military uniform but, those in civilian clothing, law enforcement, firefighters and border patrol officers, etc.) We do not have a draft anymore. Every man and woman in the military is a volunteer and knew what they could and possibly would be asked to do, when they signed their contracts to join the armed forces.
Those who are in or were in the armed forces and are reading this -- Thank you for a job well done. "
We are, in fact, winning and will continue to do so. Further, there have been no more attacks on our people in the United States homeland while Pres. Bush has been in office since 9/11. There have been attempts which have been thwarted.
Don't give me that BS about wasting lives either. Not one life is wasted when it comes to the safety and security of this nation. God Bless those who freely give of themselves to support and defend this country (this includes not only those in military uniform but, those in civilian clothing, law enforcement, firefighters and border patrol officers, etc.) We do not have a draft anymore. Every man and woman in the military is a volunteer and knew what they could and possibly would be asked to do, when they signed their contracts to join the armed forces.
Those who are in or were in the armed forces and are reading this -- Thank you for a job well done. "
Pierce Co. Repub. wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:38 AM:
" "Mr. Kasch,
What an insightful article and something that Americans need to take to heart." You've got to be kidding.... That article was a waste of three minutes of my life that I will never get back. For those of you that dont like the U S of A, take the first boat to France and send me a post card when you get there. "
What an insightful article and something that Americans need to take to heart." You've got to be kidding.... That article was a waste of three minutes of my life that I will never get back. For those of you that dont like the U S of A, take the first boat to France and send me a post card when you get there. "
bluE wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:38 AM:
" thanx bill, this is very well written.
with that said, let me clarify that i am not with the muslims at all, just so you right wingers get it... bluE is an atheist/anarchist, therefore he doesn't dig any religious wackos or crazy governments, whether it be christian, muslim, or the economists corporate church of greed, these folks have been allowed way too much slack, and as a result our world and our freedoms have been wrecked, eventually they are gonna hang themselves with this slack, don't get caught up in it. "
with that said, let me clarify that i am not with the muslims at all, just so you right wingers get it... bluE is an atheist/anarchist, therefore he doesn't dig any religious wackos or crazy governments, whether it be christian, muslim, or the economists corporate church of greed, these folks have been allowed way too much slack, and as a result our world and our freedoms have been wrecked, eventually they are gonna hang themselves with this slack, don't get caught up in it. "
Atrucker wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:42 AM:
" Re : TheGenius.
If you think your so smart look on the back of a dollar bill . THE ALL SEEING EYE IS NOT GODS EYE AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK . IT HAS ALL TO DO WITH THE ALUMINATI . ASK ANY FREEMASON THAT HAS SOME PULL THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO. YOUR RIGHT NONE OF THE STUFF YOU MENTIONED HAS NOT HAPPENED ----- YET!!! CAN IT?
YOU BET IT CAN . BUSH JR WOULD LIKE TO BE A DICTATOR HE SAID IT HIMSELF . HE COULD PULL IT OFF. GO AHEAD KEEP BELIEVING THESE PEOPLE DO NOT EXSIST THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT . WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING OF CHENNY ?
THINK ABOUT THAT ! "
If you think your so smart look on the back of a dollar bill . THE ALL SEEING EYE IS NOT GODS EYE AS YOU WOULD LIKE TO THINK . IT HAS ALL TO DO WITH THE ALUMINATI . ASK ANY FREEMASON THAT HAS SOME PULL THEY WILL TELL YOU THE SAME THING IF THEY ARE ALLOWED TO. YOUR RIGHT NONE OF THE STUFF YOU MENTIONED HAS NOT HAPPENED ----- YET!!! CAN IT?
YOU BET IT CAN . BUSH JR WOULD LIKE TO BE A DICTATOR HE SAID IT HIMSELF . HE COULD PULL IT OFF. GO AHEAD KEEP BELIEVING THESE PEOPLE DO NOT EXSIST THAT IS WHAT THEY WANT . WHY DO YOU THINK WE HAVE SEEN NOTHING OF CHENNY ?
THINK ABOUT THAT ! "
bluE wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:50 AM:
" and to "ab" who said this doesn't warrant a response from you... why did you respond three times then? "
DUH wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:04 AM:
" We are, in fact, winning and will continue to do so. Further, there have been no more attacks on our people in the United States homeland while Pres. Bush has been in office since 9/11". Keep in mind that there were no attacks in the United States homeland after the first bombing of the World Trade Center in 1993 until 9/11/01. That's 8 years. It's just now only been 7 years since 9/11. It's thinking like that yeoldgrump that Bin Laden is waiting for. He waits till we let our guard down and strikes. We can't win against Bin Laden If we don't go after him and we're not even hurting him by being in Iraq. While we are in Iraq he is in another country building his army and plotting his next massive kill with massive destruction. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 17, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Duh, well Bin Laden wouldn't even be alive except that he got all kinds of free passes from Slick Little Willie in the 1990s. Now he is being hunted. He's not in Afganistan so are you recommending we go on a full-blow invasion of Pakistan? Or how exactly will Obama pursue his favorite radical Muslim? You point out your perceived wrongs, but you never say how the Democrats would correct them. So please Duh, how will Commander in Chief Osama Obama act? Will he ask Germany and France to do the work for us? And if we go into Pakistan do you think Osama Obama can talk his second favorite radical Muslim in Iran to sit it out and to stay out of Iraq. What you don't realize is that as soon as we leave Iraq, that Hitler wannabe in Iran is going to move in. So how do you think Israel will react to that? Well we know which side Osama Obama will be on in that fight, don't we or should we call Osama Obama's moral guide Rev. Wright for his opinion on Israel. Wright you remember ran a piece from Hamas in his church letter advocating the murder of every Jew is Israel. But I guess none of that is of concern to the Democrats, now is it? "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:01 AM:
" castle rocker - How about Sarah Palin has drawn 20% of Hillary Clinton supporters. That's just a made up statistic. I'm sure the writer was trying to say a lot of women supporters are excited about Palin, but that stat is made up. How about the fact that Barack Obama worked together with Richard Lugar (R-Indiana) to secure funding for increasing non-proliferation of WMD's? Sounds a little more important than a stamp to me. I could go through the whole thing, for instance, Obama has an energy plan, he's not just saying check your tire levels and it'll all be good. People that want to believe that everything in there is truth are going to, I just provided two FACTUALLY wrong arguments, and could argue more on merits, but if those "facts from CNN" won't convince anyone, I certainly won't either. "
columbian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:07 AM:
" BAD BOY YOU SEEM TO HAVE ALL THE ANSWERS WHY DONT YOU GET HOLD OF GEO.BUSH AND TELL HIM HOW TO FIX THIS MESS.OR CALL Mc CAIN AND ASK WHY HE DIDNT PICK YOU AS A RUNNING MATE ,YOU GOT MORE ON THE BALL THAN PALIN.YOUR THE MAN. "
DUH wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:10 AM:
" All kinds of free passes from "Slick Little Willie". What about Bush Sr? You want to blame Clinton for 9/11? Well then lets go a step further and blame Bush Sr. for the 93 attack. After all, it was only about a month after Clinton took office when that attack took place. Yet it was what, 8 months or so after Bush Jr. took office that 9/11 happened? And again there Bad Boy, I will not lower myself to your Immature grade school name calling ways and fall victim to your rants. I am not the one running for president. I don't need to have the answers. THE CANDIDATES DO. "
Rural Citizen wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:10 AM:
" Thank you for another learned clearly espoused explanation of history Bill. To those who seek only to insult the writer of this article, we are sick to death of your hatred. WHAT is wrong with you? Haven't you a shred of decency in your entire body?
If so, why do you jump all over people who are trying to build a nation worth living in? Why are you so proud of your personal poverty? "
If so, why do you jump all over people who are trying to build a nation worth living in? Why are you so proud of your personal poverty? "
vet wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:25 AM:
" It is hard to believe that so many people can not see beyond our own country's borders. Our country gives us freedom of speech and some of you I hope appreciate that. The Tyranny that exists out there does not have tolerance for your kind, I have been there and know! be glad you live in AMERICA and have empathy for those that need our help to achieve freedom and the same rights you have. All I am hearing is that those of us that go beyond our borders to promote freedom and protection from tyranny are being bashed. Why? Because we took out the bad guy and his rights were violated! They kill with out remorse or thoughts of others, it is greed , power and control. President Bush did the right thing and im sorry if you can not see that. No one should have to live in fear and that is why we should help if nothing else. Life is precious for those that just want to live and be free like all of you. You bash President Bush! Then you bash everyone that is in uniform to protect our great country. I believe that any of us that are, or were in uniform would gladly go to War to protect anyone from tyranny. Why ? We believe in freedom and life for all. In any time in history you couldnt just live a life without having to fight for it! "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:47 AM:
" Re: atrucker. That has got to be one of the five most ridiculous things I have ever read in my life. I can't even believe I'm bothering to repost to that comment. Send me your address so I can FedEx a tin-foil hat and season 1 & 2 of the X-Files, you conspiracy loon. Honestly, you must be daft as a brush. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:51 AM:
" Rural Citizen, I ask you, how is comparing the President of the United States to a man with the blood of 6 million Jews on his hands a "clearly espoused explanation of history?" "
Huggygramma wrote on Sep 17, 2008 10:27 AM:
" Genius, what a grand name you have chosen for yourself. I also read Mein Kampf. In German. Alas, the other references I use for my personal opinion came from the ONE remaining family member that was not exterminated in Nazi camps. I have heard the stories, beginning to end, about the conditions in Germany that allowed Hitler to begin his regime, and the events that followed. I saw the tears in my grandmother's eyes as she told about seeing my grandfather dragged out of their home, never to be seen again. No news reporters can put that kind of emotion on paper. I know what I'm feeling now with the current administration. I feel like history is repeating itself and I'm afraid. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:35 PM:
" Duh, thanks for reminding me about the 93 bombing. Once again, I will repeat what I said, if appropriate action had been taken in the 1990s when these acts were perpretrated, Bin Laden might not be alive today. Instead, Slick Little Willie all but gave them free passes to hijack the planes and bomb the towers. And Duh, imagine my surprse that you couldn't answer my question about what will Obama do in the future with the problems that are posed. And that's a problem America has with him. No direct course of action provided. He doesn't know because he doesn't have the military or foreign expertise. And that is exactly what Biden and Hillary meant when they said he either was the least qualified of the Democratic candidates or that he didn't have the experience or leadership skills to be president. We all know that he leans toward the Radical Muslim side, that is the moral guidance his close friend, adviser Rev. Wright has him pointed toward. There is no denying that. Obama would be an extremely weak leader on the world front and that is what the radical Muslims are hoping for. A weak America under Clinton allowed Bin Laden to plot his course. A weak America under Obama would be even worse. They would know that absolutely no threat of reprisal is there. No chance that Obama would act. They would be bolder, stronger and far more dangerous than ever before. America needs to be aware. "
ccd wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:55 PM:
" TDN BBOY - There were NO terrorists in Iraq until we got there. NO Al Qaida, no one involved in the 9/11 attacks, no one involved in the plots against our country. Via your confused logic, we should have gone in to free Rwanda, Darfur, Croatia, and Zimbabwe. Oh...that's right, NO OIL, NO sweetheart contractor deals, no profiteering. You apparently trust your Govt far too much. This article touches on many valid points. And don't tell me that Dems & Libs aren't patriotic - we're sacrificing family along with the Repubs (served 6 yrs myself - 3 yrs in a sad third world country). You don't have ANY proof that Obama can't handle foreign policy or wouldn't make an excellent international diplomat & CIC. NONE. We need MORE diplomacy with our allies for a UNITED, GLOBAL fight against terrorism. Iraq needs to help PAY for it from their $80billion surplus. Our country is BROKE, our leverage is GONE, and the GOP (gas, oil & petroleum party) just wants to continue down the same crazy path on the backs of broke Americans. Sen `Deregulate' McCain has been part & parcel of bankrupting this country, wants to send American Families further into decline. Folks like you want to hand him the car keys so he can drive us further over a financial cliff. Brilliant. "
1209 wrote on Sep 17, 2008 12:57 PM:
" As to John McCain's support of the WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUP, THE
NEO-CONFEDERACY (See The New York Times, February 2000), it remains to be seen if the recent assassination plot on Barack Obama thwarted by the FBI at the DNC in Denver has any connection or funding from John McCain's white supremacy associations. "
NEO-CONFEDERACY (See The New York Times, February 2000), it remains to be seen if the recent assassination plot on Barack Obama thwarted by the FBI at the DNC in Denver has any connection or funding from John McCain's white supremacy associations. "
DUH wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:08 PM:
" Bad Boy, Hang it up. It isn't that I couldn't answer. I won't and don't have to answer. I am not running for president. And I thank my lucky starts that you aren't either for we'd all be doomed if you were. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 17, 2008 1:20 PM:
" I'm sorry your family had to endure all of that, so I won't attempt, nor was I attempting to belittle you, even if you maybe caught that from the tone. With that said, nothing you wrote changes my opinion about the Hitler-Bush parallels. Obviously, nothing I've written changed your mind either. So, I will leave you with this: we can throw our leaders under the bus by referring to them as "Hitler" anytime we see fit, but whomever choose to compare to Hitler, well, you better realize what you are saying when you say that, and you better have some hard evidence to back it up. So far, no one has done that. "
loudly wrote on Sep 17, 2008 2:03 PM:
" I hope that Bill Kasch isn't this writers real name. His writing is both preposterous and humerous! Let's get one thing straight. If we wanted to, we could have planted WMD's in IRAQ. Think about that you demo dummies! Second, Muslim extremist's hate our guts and want us dead. They wanted us dead far before they hit the twin towers with planes. Does anyone remember the truck bombing during the Clinton years? How about the twin attacks on US embassies? How short Democrats memories are. How can Bill Kasch show his face in public after having written such a blatantly false opinion piece. It also goes to show me the level of thinking of our average democrat. They will follow anyone and allow anyone to blame "US HATEFUL AMERICANS"! I say heck with ya! Mr. Kasch mentions nero fiddling as Rome burns. He incorrectly attributes a comparison to Bush (who by the way ok'd a bail out of Fannie May/Freddie Mack). A more correct comparison would be, Obama and the demogoons stealing my hard earned money while my house is being foreclosed and the city is burning and he is having high tea with terrorists! "
mary wrote on Sep 17, 2008 2:09 PM:
" I love American and it has been though worst! Geez calling names! And you call your self NEWS!This paper needs to go back to SCHOOL! "
American First wrote on Sep 17, 2008 3:29 PM:
" CCD, are you for real? Are you basing your statements on good information or are you making it up? There is no validity to any points made in this article, it's pure propaganda, as are your writings. Perhaps you wrote the article and are defending yourself? I don't know, but the public is dumber after reading it, as it distorts history and reality. One thing you have made perfectly clear is you have no idea what your talking about, and you twist or re-write history to fit your opinion. This falls right in line with you libs, crooked to the core. "
ab wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:01 PM:
" I guess we do not have to worry about bluE voting this year, being the anarchist he is. One less vote for obama the messiah. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 17, 2008 4:33 PM:
" Experience you ask? What has O'Bama done? He spent 3 years as a brilliant community organizer, became the first black President of the Harvard Law Review, created a voter registration drive that registered 150,000 new voters, spent 12 years as a Constitutional Law professor, spent 8 years as a State Senator representing a district with over 750,000 people, became chairman of the state Senate's Health and Human Services committee, spent 4 years in the United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while sponsoring 131
bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public
Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, I guess you don't consider that to be any real leadership experience.
However, to be fair, let's list Ms Palin's experience, too...
Local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor
of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state
with only 650,000 people, making you highly qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive. Sure she sounds ready to be Vice President..absolutely. You never know when you might need to ask how the wind blows!
Oh, and let's not forget about John McCain, who cheated on his first wife with a rich heiress, and left his
disfigured wife and married the heiress the month after his divorce was final..that should make him extremely qualified to be President... "
bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment and Public
Works and Veteran's Affairs committees, I guess you don't consider that to be any real leadership experience.
However, to be fair, let's list Ms Palin's experience, too...
Local weather girl, 4 years on the city council and 6 years as the mayor
of a town with less than 7,000 people, 20 months as the governor of a state
with only 650,000 people, making you highly qualified to become the country's second highest ranking executive. Sure she sounds ready to be Vice President..absolutely. You never know when you might need to ask how the wind blows!
Oh, and let's not forget about John McCain, who cheated on his first wife with a rich heiress, and left his
disfigured wife and married the heiress the month after his divorce was final..that should make him extremely qualified to be President... "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 17, 2008 5:35 PM:
" I always find it really interesting when Obamaniacs start on the whole "experience" thing, they go after Palin. Mind you, they know they have nothing to stand on when it comes to experience against the guy Obama is actually running against for president, so they go after the running mate. Talk about your inconvienent truths. "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 17, 2008 7:46 PM:
" Sounds like CCD was in Iraq before even the Marines landed there. "
columbian wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:16 PM:
" BAD BOY STILL ALL WE GET FROM YOU IS SLICK WILLIE,CLINTON ON AND ON.8 YEARS WITH BUSH AND YOU CANT TELL ME 1 GOOD THING HE HAS DID.YOU BETTER STOP AND THINK BECAUSE WE ARE 1 STEP AWAY FROM A DEPRESSION SAME PATTERN AS IN THE 30'S.AND ITS ALL CAME ABOUT IN THE LAST 2 TERMS.LOOK AT THE STOCK MARKET IN THE LAST 2 WEEKS. "
toledoone wrote on Sep 17, 2008 9:32 PM:
" Thank God for George Bush. Finally somebody stood up and fought back. This nation is falling and unless we have leaders with the strength to stand up and lead, it will crumble. If Obama Hussein is electec then it won't just crumble, it will cave in, better learn how to pray five times a day and which way to face. "
JayPBee wrote on Sep 17, 2008 11:56 PM:
" Kalama River Resident, Simple Man , JD Hogg & various other rightie Crapslingers amaze with their distortions. Obama was an Illinois State Senator for 8 years before winning his U.S. Senate seat.
don't trying pinning 9-11 on Bill Clinton- Repubs controlled both House & Senate from 1994 til 2006, Presidency from 2001-present.
Demos have held a slim lead in Senate & House since Jan. '06. Every time they try to pass a beneficial piece of Legislation , the Rethuglicans Filibuster it.
The Big One: Dubya let Osama bin Laden
escape a certain trap at Tora Bora in December 2001 because he was obsessed with establishing his Legacy by going after Saddam, Refused to commit U.S. troops to the final Kill or Capture.
George W. Bush Betrayed the surviving families & Loved ones of the 9-11 victims-and coinsequently, the American People as a whole. "
don't trying pinning 9-11 on Bill Clinton- Repubs controlled both House & Senate from 1994 til 2006, Presidency from 2001-present.
Demos have held a slim lead in Senate & House since Jan. '06. Every time they try to pass a beneficial piece of Legislation , the Rethuglicans Filibuster it.
The Big One: Dubya let Osama bin Laden
escape a certain trap at Tora Bora in December 2001 because he was obsessed with establishing his Legacy by going after Saddam, Refused to commit U.S. troops to the final Kill or Capture.
George W. Bush Betrayed the surviving families & Loved ones of the 9-11 victims-and coinsequently, the American People as a whole. "
1209 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:33 AM:
" In the tradition set by Hitler of using war as an excuse for racism, a recent book detailing John McCain's excuse for racism has been released within the last few months, "G**K: John McCain's Racism And Why It Matters" by Irwin Tang. "
LongviewFam wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:49 AM:
" sentinel, I agree 100% with you. TDN, stop printing this junk. It undermines your credibility as journalists. Mr. Kasch, you need therapy. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 7:52 AM:
" Klb, sponsoring a bill and writing a bill are two completely separate things. Members of committees sponsors bills they want to push through the committee. They speak about it, explain it, secure votes for it. They DID NOT write it. So please get your facts straight. Columbian, Bush has done exactly what he promised me he would: No tax increases. He has made this country stronger. He decided and I wholeheartedly agree that we have to be on the offensive in the Middle East and other parts of the radical Muslim world. We can no longer be just a response actionary. You don't like that policy, fine. I do. I believe that when you wait for trouble to find you like Slick Willie Clinton did, you get trouble like 9/11. In addition, Bush's decision to go to Iraq forced Syria back inside its borders and really is giving the Middle East a chance for peace that will work. You don't want to acklowedge that. He has also worked to keep Pelosi and Reid under control. I do not want them charting any course for this country. He has also kept the interest rate below 6 percent for most of the time. Smart people took advantage of that and refinanced or bought homes the right way. If people didn't do their work and tried to buy homes the easy way, that's not Bush's fault. You want to blame him for people making bad investment decisions. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:02 AM:
" KLB, is Gov. Palin running for president? And by the way what exactly does a "community organizer" do. And how do you know that Osama Obama was "brilliant" at it? And what does being the first Black American to do something mean? Nothing, except that you believe he is special because he is black. And since you wanted to play the race card, let's discuss Obama as a racist. He gave Rev. Wright $20,000 a year for more than 7 years. Now he steps away from Wright saying he can no longer defend his racism and hate. At first he said he could not disown Wright any more than he could his grandmother who he described as a "typical white woman." That is racist. If a white person gave money to a racist, gave money to support his organization, called the racist his "moral guide" and only disowned the racist when it became public, I would call him a racist. Osama Obama did that, therefore Osama Obama is a racist. In addition, Osama Obama uses Louis Farrakan for guidance. Louis Farrakan is a racist. If you want to vote for and support a racist go ahead. I have higher standards. "
Kem Cho wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:15 AM:
" I vote independent. If you are president, you are given evidence of Sadam having WMD (yes and NO), to protect people of USA, which any president will do, you will decide to go to war. Congress voted to give power to Bush and now they are backing off. Bush has guts, not like Kerry who was not for the war, but voted for war. What a mess these politicians make! "
DUH wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:13 AM:
" And yet again like most Republicans, TDN Bad Boy reduces himself to immature grade school name calling. I don't want a bunch of children running this country. "
Kelso Guy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:19 AM:
" Boy: quit with the 9/11 thing already. Drunk drivers kill 5 times as many people per year than the number that died in the trade center attacks, why not lock every drunk driver up in Gitmo and torture them? Granted, they don't "saw people's heads off" like you're so fond of saying, but they do use their automobiles as weapons. Let's march our military into every US town and "root out the drunk drivers", cause they are a danger to America. We must remain vigilant and steadfast against the drunks. "We'll smoke 'em out!" Don't like the idea of the US military on the streets of your town? Well, you're either with us or against us. "
Kelso Guy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:23 AM:
" And Bush had nothing to do with keeping the interest rate below 6%, next thing you'll be giving him credit for will be inventing the blackberry,...oh wait, that was McCain right? "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:45 AM:
" I believe it was a democrat that claimed he invented the internet Kelso Guy. And gosh, everything that goes wrong while Bush is President is his fault, but nothing that goes right is because of him. Why is that? Can't the poor guy get a break. "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 18, 2008 11:50 AM:
" RE: JayPBee like I said until 2006 Americas only problem was terrorism. And Al Qaeda grew strong with Mr. Clinton in office. Now that we are winning the war on terror dems and hippies of all sorts find other things to complain about, Monday night qbs. And victims families of 9/11 recieved more money than any soldiers family in the history of America (with the exception of Medal of Honor recipients). "
Dude wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:18 PM:
" TDN get this crap of an artical of the web. Old and poor reporting. "
American-Soldier wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:20 PM:
" No tactic can defeat the 'war on terror'. Its like winning the 'war on drugs'. You don't fight an ideology with guns or bombs, you fight it with diplomacy and outreach. Changing your enemies willingness and zest to end your life.
Stop already with the liberal and hippy thing. I'm completely against the Iraq war. It has and never has had anything to do with 'terror'. It was about promoting a simpleton's own personal agenda and the Presidential political currency that Bush thought came with being a President who had to defend his country. "
Stop already with the liberal and hippy thing. I'm completely against the Iraq war. It has and never has had anything to do with 'terror'. It was about promoting a simpleton's own personal agenda and the Presidential political currency that Bush thought came with being a President who had to defend his country. "
Tired of it wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:22 PM:
" If you are waiting on the goverment to start your day, its gonna be a bad one.Say NO to big goverment. Add up all the taxes workers pay and its still not enough for the goverment to pay its bills.And yes , the rich do pay taxes and at mucher higher rates than I do.So stop the lies.Both sides! "
juanlesstime wrote on Sep 18, 2008 12:55 PM:
" Thanks, Bill. I am a collector of off-the-cuff semi-literate redneck-knee-jerk responses, and your opinion piece has helped me increase my collection enormously. Would you please write something criticizing NASCAR and/or dog fighting next? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:20 PM:
" Still waiting for an intelligent argument that would successfully compare Bush to Hitler. I won't hold my breath. "
loudly wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:43 PM:
" RE: KELSO GUY. You've got a pretty messed up view of things. By your reasoning, we should care that others want us to die simply because we live! By your reasoning, we shouldn't mourn the losses of our soldiers (because they deserve it, Right?). Your reasoning is messed up just like Bill Kasch's views. Let's turn this all around and ask a simple question... Who was it that imprisoned the Japanese on US soil during World War II? Was it the republicans? I think not. TO JUANLESSTIME: You need to remember that you fit the mold of those you attempt to put down. If you agree with the nonsense posted by Bill Kasch, then you are just as guilty of being a redneck with a kneejerk reaction. But of course your head is stuck too far up a dark hole for u to see that eh? "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 18, 2008 3:55 PM:
" Soldier, you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree. It was about the U.S. taking a necessary role in that part of the world for stability. Tell me, where are the Syrian troops today? Before we went to Iraq, they were situated in Lebanon, supporting the Hamas build up over Israel. When the U.S. military took up residence in Iraq, Syria was forced to pull back inside its borders and Israel was able to clean Hamas out of Lebanon for the most part. And that region is far more stable because of it. Also, you need to ask the Kurds if they want us there? And what about the people who got to vote for the first time? Do you think we are the only ones entitled to democracy? If so, you can thank your lucky stars that you were born in America and not over there. I am proud that my president had the strength to give a country a chance at democracy. Will it take hold? Who knows. But it wasn't going to happen under Saddam. So thank you for your sevice but I totally disagree with your opinion. "
Commenter wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:38 PM:
" Blah Blah Blah... So many people with blinders on. Enough with the Republicans vs Democrats. THAT is what is tearing this country apart. We need an independant leader who is not a Republican or Democrat. So many people stand up for Republicans just because they are Republicans themselves. The same goes for Democrats. You are stubbornly blind to the BS that surrounds political parties. 9/11?? Let's go back to January 2001 when Bush threatened the Taleban that he would invade in 9 months. Let's go back even before that when Bush was involved with a group of oil mongers who wanted to build an oil pipeline from Uzbekistan through Afghanstan but was denied because Afghanistan did not have a nationally recognized government. Sure, Hussein was an evil ruler in our eyes, but Iraq was just a distraction. Was Iraq truely a threat to us? What about all the other countries with tirants murdering their own people every day? We haven't invaded any countries in Africa and look at all the genocide taking place there. There are too many facts to list, but easily found, that leave many unanswered questions about 9/11. One example: They claim to have found the passport of one of the terrorists on the planes that hit the world trade center. The planes were disintegrated yet they found a passport, made of paper. Amazing how that happened. There is much more than that too. Look up eye witness accounts. Research stock activities on 9/10/01. "
Commenter wrote on Sep 18, 2008 8:49 PM:
" As for voting... You have Obama who has admitted that more children die in HIS state of Illinois than all the soldiers in Iraq. Look up his speech in Atlanta. He believes you should be teaching your children spanish. He insists we use corn-based ethanol fuel as an alternative yet there are much better and cost effective choices for ethanol fuel. Then you have McCain... How long has he been a Senator? What difference will he make as president that he hasn't had the opportunity to accomplish already? Why haven't these two men been pushing these issues already? Why wait until they are running for President before addressing these issues? McCain and his running mate already don't share the same ideas. When the differences were brought up, they were just brushed off. McCain just hasn't had the chance to tell Palin what he wants her to say and what her stance on issues should be. Yeah, Palin was a good choice. She picks up Hillary's die hard supporters. Let's talk about her fight against government corruption. Oh, but what's going on in Alaska right now? They're investigating her involvement with the firing of her EX brother in law. The corruption will remain until we rid ourselves of the Republican/Democrat brainwashing and get some fresh blood leading our country. Oh, good story Bill. "
Cheney119 wrote on Sep 18, 2008 9:01 PM:
" Again with the Syria? Who cares about small potatoes like Syria? You say the president had the strength to give them democracy? They don't even value democracy. How can you have a democracy when you give no rights to women and are the kurds, sunnis and shites just want to kill each other? Iraq will NEVER BE A DEMOCRACY. Your understanding of this war is limited to damn talking points from Fox News, just like every post you scribble. "
juanlesstime wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:30 AM:
" loudly
Yeah, there's so many Mexican rednecks...like you we like to sit around the shack, slap the ol' lady, kick the dog, and drink our corn squeezin's.
'Cept we call 'em "MAIZEsqueezins".
Your self-chosen appellation fits you almost perfectly...just add "...and poorly, with no substance" as a suffix and you'll have it.
BTW, I am a 100% disabled combat veteran...21 months in two different wars. I resent immensely you using our troops in ANY of your mangled attempts at persuasion. "
Yeah, there's so many Mexican rednecks...like you we like to sit around the shack, slap the ol' lady, kick the dog, and drink our corn squeezin's.
'Cept we call 'em "MAIZEsqueezins".
Your self-chosen appellation fits you almost perfectly...just add "...and poorly, with no substance" as a suffix and you'll have it.
BTW, I am a 100% disabled combat veteran...21 months in two different wars. I resent immensely you using our troops in ANY of your mangled attempts at persuasion. "
columbian wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:46 AM:
" BAD BOY YOUR HERO REP.PRES. FIXED THINGS UP FOR YOU AND ME BORROWED 300 BILLION THE SHORE UP BANKS AND LENDING.THIS IS ON TOP OF THE 10 TRILLION HES RANG UP IN THE LAST 8 YEARS.I KNOW CLINTON DID IT. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:00 AM:
" Columbian, you can rag on Pres. Bush all you want. What I never hear you say is how your guy is going to do it different. Do you even have an idea? Have been listening to his rhetoric about change? Tell what change has he proposed during his career as a senator? What change legislation did he author? Remember Congress and Senate writes the laws. So if your guy is this great agent of change, wouldn't we have already seen his ideas? Remember if elected he won't be writing any laws. So please, tell me how your messiah is going to solve the problems? Bring the troops home? Then what happens in Iraq? Does he want to create a hole that will allow the tyrant in Iran to move on Israel? Do you think that is good for the world? My guess is you don't care about the world, just your little cell. That's about all I need to know about you. "
Im_not_saying wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:23 AM:
" Bad Boy - I grow so tired of reading your lies and inane questions. What has Bush done in Eight years? Answer - Driven us to debt, starved the midwest and plains, caused more jobs to be lost anytime since the great depression, and put us at the whim of foreign countries by eliminating all governmental oversight. If there's anything the past week has taught anyone who does not listen solely to the mistruths of Hannity and his ilk - It's that there is no substitute for responsible governmental oversight. My guess is that you are either too rich to care about this country or too scared about Osama soming to get you to realize the DISASTER this country is facing. We spend more money on social services in Iraq per capita than we spend anywhere here. It's time that "We, The Corporations" became "We, the people" again. It's time that John McCain had to tell one of his kids/grandkids that he souldn't give them that usual $5 for their birthday because they raised the cost of the medications that keep him alive. It's time that George Bush had to feed guests at the white house bread and vegetable soup because that's all he could afford, as his paycheck doesn't buy that much anymore. And most of all it is time that the apocolyptic elephants in the room realize that they are the animal, and we the taxpayers are their keepers! "
bucketball wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:36 AM:
" For you all who figure Obama is racist why don't you back up your statements with some evidence. Did you all forget or just not pay attention that his own mother is white and his father is black. So answer me this, who is he racist against? TDN Bad Boy, your statements have no substance. Don't worry Obama is gonna tax the heck out of you and not me. :) "
1209 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 12:00 PM:
" In the tradition of Hitler’s white supremacy movement, John McCain endorsed the candidacy of the white supremacist George Wallace, Jr. for Lieutenant Governor of Louisiana. In November of 2005, John McCain said of George Wallace, Jr., "I'm proud to offer my support to this committed conservative reformer. George will bring great leadership and integrity to the lieutenant governor's office." (From The Associated Press, November 17, 2005) "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:21 PM:
" While I'm not quite ready to equate Bush with Hitler I do get so tired of the few ultra conservatives that are so blinded by your party, that everything that's wrong is the damn liberals fault.
When a Corporation is doing poorly who takes the fall 99% of the time = CEO, of course they still get their multi-million dollar severance package. We all know George W. has been at the helm of the good ship USA for almost 8 years. What's happened in these 8 years: 1) Net - Loss of jobs 2) Economy - Trashed, our grandchildren's grandchildren will still be paying for the mess Bush created. 3) Healthcare - more americans without healthcare coverage than ever before. 4) Inflation - I don't care what Bush's economists say, it's through the roof. 5) War - mislead our country into a war that the next president will have to deal with. 6) Education - Have you tried to get a student loan lately. If want your child to go to college I hope you're rich. 7) Civil Libertys - Well if you're a conservative you don't care about this issue anyway. 8) Labor - on the job injuries & deaths up 70% since Bush took over - coincidence? 9) Wages - stagnant with little to no increase in 8 years. 10) Worst president in U.S. history? - If not very close to it! "
When a Corporation is doing poorly who takes the fall 99% of the time = CEO, of course they still get their multi-million dollar severance package. We all know George W. has been at the helm of the good ship USA for almost 8 years. What's happened in these 8 years: 1) Net - Loss of jobs 2) Economy - Trashed, our grandchildren's grandchildren will still be paying for the mess Bush created. 3) Healthcare - more americans without healthcare coverage than ever before. 4) Inflation - I don't care what Bush's economists say, it's through the roof. 5) War - mislead our country into a war that the next president will have to deal with. 6) Education - Have you tried to get a student loan lately. If want your child to go to college I hope you're rich. 7) Civil Libertys - Well if you're a conservative you don't care about this issue anyway. 8) Labor - on the job injuries & deaths up 70% since Bush took over - coincidence? 9) Wages - stagnant with little to no increase in 8 years. 10) Worst president in U.S. history? - If not very close to it! "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 1:46 PM:
" Bush = Hitler - I don't think so..
Bush = Herbert Hoover - probably so! "
Bush = Herbert Hoover - probably so! "
klb65 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:03 PM:
" Anyone remember the Keating Five? Anyone remember that Charles Keating went to prison for his involvement in the S&L scandel? Anyone remember who was in Keating's pocket and a member of the Keating 5? Yes, that's right, it was John McCain. Do you remember that McCain took over a $100,000 in campaign contributions from Charles Keating? Do you remember the 20,000 plus retirees who lost all of the retirement funds because of slimeballs like Charles Keating? Do you remember that John and Cindy McCain (and the nanny of course) took trips on Keating's private jet to the Bahama's to stay in Keating's private resort? Do you remember that it wasn't until McCain was investigated regarding his relationship with Keating that he paid back the cost of the plane rides? I'm sorry but he doesn't choose his friends well and personally his exercise in bad judgement does not make him good presidential material. None of us is perfect on either side of the ticket but my retirement funds are already in jeopardy and a President who doesn't know his way around a financial statement really scares me! "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 19, 2008 2:18 PM:
" Nevermind the roaring economy we experienced from 2003 to late 2006. Guess that never happened. Dow closed up 300 points today, due in no small part to the moves made by the Administration to take over this mess. This mess, mind you, was influenced in part by politicians who thought that minorities were being discriminated against in buying houses. So what did they do? They mandated that people with lower incomes and of minority groups be given opportunities to buy houses, even though they didn't have the income to afford nor did they have the credit to ask for any loan in the first place. The banks were doing what government told them to do. As for the civil liberties argument, it's getting pretty tired kids. Your personal civil liberties have not been affected in the slightest. Your day-to-day life has not changed because some "freedom fighters" are being held in GITMO without trial. This is not the first step towards a 21st century Gestapo, so stop with the conspiracy theories. One more thing: I quote, "Inflation - I don't care what Bush's economists say, it's through the roof." So, I guess you're like a, what, an economics professor or something? You work on Wall Street? No, you've studied economics your whole life, so obviously, you know more about it than the guys hired to know more about it than the rest of us. Right? "
bmoc wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:02 PM:
" Genius - roaring economy from 03-06?, you might be more insane than Bush and McCain combined! That was not a roaring economy, it was Bush telling the Federal Reserve to print more money for his war. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:06 PM:
" Klb, I'll give you another name out of the Keating Five. Remember Sen. John Glenn, the Ohio Democrat. The Senate ultimately decided that neither McCain or Glenn were involved in any wrongdoing. So you are saying that close personal friends should disqualify a candidate from the presidency? Let's see Obama is close personal friends with a anarchist who killed people with bombs in the 60s; another good friend is a slum lord Senatorwho is now either in prison or on his way there after he got special breaks from Obama when he was the community organizer and the Illinois State; another good personal friend is the recently disgraced and jailed ex-mayor of Detroit, and then there is his moral guide the racist Rev. Wright. Wow I guess Obama will be friends with anybody who might be able to help him out. Now that to me is a real questionalbe judge of character that proves he doesn't have the ability to make the right decisions regarding government leadership. And 1209, give it up. The NAACP gave Wallace Jr. its prestigious freedom award before McCain campaigned for him. Unlike his dad, the infamous racist Democrat, George Wallace Jr. is very highly thought of among Black leaders in Alabama as a man who has charted a completely different course than his father. Good for him. There is, however, no defense for Obama's racism. He called his grandmother a "typical white woman," while defending Wright. That's a racist. "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:31 PM:
" Genius -
Economics 101; with pre-Bush - post-Bush comparisons:
1 Gallon gas $1.25 - $4.50
1 Gallon milk $1.89 - $3.49
1 KWH Cowlitz PUD - .025 - .056
1 Loaf Bread - .33 - .99
1 Doz eggs - .99 - $2.29
1 LB Lean grnd beef - .99 - $2.69
Not to mention - utilitys, housing, education, transportation, my favorite 6 pack (up $2.50),
No inflation- Get Real!
To be honest 1 thing has went down under Bush - income tax in lieu of nearly bankrupting our country! "
Economics 101; with pre-Bush - post-Bush comparisons:
1 Gallon gas $1.25 - $4.50
1 Gallon milk $1.89 - $3.49
1 KWH Cowlitz PUD - .025 - .056
1 Loaf Bread - .33 - .99
1 Doz eggs - .99 - $2.29
1 LB Lean grnd beef - .99 - $2.69
Not to mention - utilitys, housing, education, transportation, my favorite 6 pack (up $2.50),
No inflation- Get Real!
To be honest 1 thing has went down under Bush - income tax in lieu of nearly bankrupting our country! "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:32 PM:
" BMOC, as a business owner, I agree with Genius. The economy did just fine. People had jobs and had money. And they spent money. This was a very good 6-61/2 year period. Why? Because there was absolutely no talk of new taxes. Only when we get close to a presidential election year and a Liberal Tax and Waste Democrat running for president starts talking about how he will raise taxes do investors start running for cover. Go back and look at what happened in the market in the last two quarters of 1992 when Slick Willie was telling the world he would raise taxes. He did, and it took the economy more than 2 years to recover. Now Obama is shooting off his mouth so people with money to invest are pulling back. And watch what happens if he wins and raises taxes. It's on historical record and it will happen again. The people who have the money to invest either in businesses or business expansion are not going to do it. I know we started in June talking wiht our accountants on how a tax increase would affect us. And if my business is doing it, I can guarantee you there are bigger business owners doing the same thing. I'm not worried about the government now, but I am definitely concerned about what an Obama govt. would do in the first quarter of 2009. It won't be good for America's businesses or the American worker. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 19, 2008 3:37 PM:
" It wasn't? So, if the definition of a recession is negative growth for two consecutive quarters, that would mean that there had to have been positive prior to that, yes? Therefore, if we are in a recession, as has been reported by news outlets on varied ends of the political spectrum from the Wall Street Journal to the New York Times, that would have to mean, by default, that our economy was in, at the very least, good shape prior to the downturn in fortunes. And klb65, if you want to make this a debate about whom each candidate associates with... well, I would advise you to stay away from that one, because it's not as if Obama's been running around with Charlie Brown and the rest of the gang from "Peanuts." "
columbian wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:06 PM:
" Mr.Bad Boy Sir: Let me try to answer your question about a way to change things.first have someone that tells the truth.then listen to the people.someone that goes buy the laws of the land.and have an IQ better than your man.but most of all be truthful not live on lies.and most of all bring the troops home.we are the ones in trouble.we got more of a mess here than we do with terrorism. "
columbian wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:13 PM:
" BAD BOY ALMOST FORGOT 1 MORE WAY TO CLEAN UP THE MESS .READ MY LIPS"DE-REGULATE".BUSH AND McCAIN PLAN "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:37 PM:
" Sometimes, other people can say it better than I can. Such is the case with a recent column by Pulitzer Prize-winning author Charles Krauthammer. The column deals with the question of Bush's legacy, or better still, how history will view his legacy. You can view the entire column at: http://townhall.com/columnists/CharlesKrauthammer/2008/09/19/the_future_for_bushs_legacy
In this respect, Bush is much like Truman, who developed the sinews of war for a new era (the Department of Defense, the CIA, the NSA), expanded the powers of the presidency, established a new doctrine for active intervention abroad, and ultimately engaged in a war (Korea) -- also absent an attack on the U.S. -- that proved highly unpopular.
So unpopular that Truman left office disparaged and highly out of favor. History has revised that verdict. I have little doubt that Bush will be the subject of a similar reconsideration. "
In this respect, Bush is much like Truman, who developed the sinews of war for a new era (the Department of Defense, the CIA, the NSA), expanded the powers of the presidency, established a new doctrine for active intervention abroad, and ultimately engaged in a war (Korea) -- also absent an attack on the U.S. -- that proved highly unpopular.
So unpopular that Truman left office disparaged and highly out of favor. History has revised that verdict. I have little doubt that Bush will be the subject of a similar reconsideration. "
bmoc wrote on Sep 19, 2008 4:42 PM:
" Hitler printed lots of money too, to fuel his war. When the Germans got sick of the inflation they finally turned on him. Bush's new plan will be more printed money and borrowing from China. Bush can't help us because he is an egghead - an McCain is even worse - almost last in his class at the Naval Academy. Now the Wall Street Journal is even on to McInsane. "
Im_not_saying wrote on Sep 19, 2008 6:34 PM:
" Bad boy - You really believe EVERYTHING Hannity says, don't you. Our invasion into Iraq was never billed as "a move to stabilize the area." Remember Colin Powell, holding up pictures of supposed WMD factories? We moved in there to secure oil assets. Now without a leader, there is a power vacuum. We're trying desperately to fill it with as many corpses of the innocent that we can. We have done nothing but DESTABILIZE THE AREA, allowing Al-Quida to come into a country where they were previously unwelcome, and create turmoil in a country too weak to protect it's own oil. Explain to me how Iraq was involved in 9/11 again. Can't do it, can you? "
mole wrote on Sep 19, 2008 7:29 PM:
" to:ab YOUR THOUGHTS ARE SO OFF THE MARK YOU SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOURSELF!!! with all the speeches that bush made,he must have gotten his info from MAD MAGAZINE!!! BILL KASCH,has told the unbridled truth,,BUSH IS NOT AN INTELLIGENT PERSON ,WHY BORROW MONEY FROM CHINA,FOR THE WAR ,OR FOR OUR INCENTIVE CHECKS??? has anyone read yet that the EXXON VALDEZ OIL SPILL,THE CLEAN-UP THAT COST EXXON TO DO,THE GOVERNMENT[US TAX PAYERS] IS PAYING THEM ALL OF THAT COST, BACK AND THEY DON'T HAVE TO PAY ANY DAMAGES.[ARTICLE IS INTHE NATIONAL FISHERMANS NEWS SEPT 2008]!!! OBAMA ,OBAMA,OBAMA, NO WAY McCAIN "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 8:45 PM:
" For the those of you that feel times are great and our leaders have solved the latest Bush mess, party on! For those that see the same problems I do, I would implore you to make preperations for a serious economic downturn. What our government's bailout plan has done is a stopgap. I'm not saying something shouldn't have been done. The bailout plan probably averted near immediate collapse of our financial system. It will pump a lot of money that we don't have into the economy which will in turn create serious inflationary conditions. The worst isn't here yet folks and the chances of a seriously decling economy are far greater right now than at any time since The Great Depression. Better to be prepared than put your faith in our current President. In fact our next president is in for a very difficult beginning! "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 19, 2008 9:21 PM:
" The more I think about this the madder I get. 12 years of Reagan/Bush41 = S&L Bailout... 8 years of Bush 43 = Wall Street/Mortgage/Insurance bailout. Open your eyes GOP folk! - REPUBLENOMICS and their trickle down economy do not work! "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 19, 2008 11:23 PM:
" Re: Lucky7 dont you mean Economics 101; with pre-2006 CONGRESS (REP HELD) - post-2006 CONGRESS (DEM HELD)comparisons:
1 Gallon gas $1.25 - $4.50
1 Gallon milk $1.89 - $3.49
1 KWH Cowlitz PUD - .025 - .056
1 Loaf Bread - .33 - .99
1 Doz eggs - .99 - $2.29
1 LB Lean grnd beef - .99 - $2.69
Not to mention - utilitys, housing, education, transportation, my favorite 6 pack (up $2.50),
No inflation- Get Real!
To be honest 1 thing has went down under Bush - income tax in lieu of nearly bankrupting our country! "
This argument can continue all day. The truth of the matter is that most politicians are corrupt in some way or another. They ALL do whats best for election and not the country or else they wouldnt get elected. Its an election between the lesser of the 2 evils. As far as Bush-Hitler I dont believe that anyone is trully stupid enough to actually believe that. "
1 Gallon gas $1.25 - $4.50
1 Gallon milk $1.89 - $3.49
1 KWH Cowlitz PUD - .025 - .056
1 Loaf Bread - .33 - .99
1 Doz eggs - .99 - $2.29
1 LB Lean grnd beef - .99 - $2.69
Not to mention - utilitys, housing, education, transportation, my favorite 6 pack (up $2.50),
No inflation- Get Real!
To be honest 1 thing has went down under Bush - income tax in lieu of nearly bankrupting our country! "
This argument can continue all day. The truth of the matter is that most politicians are corrupt in some way or another. They ALL do whats best for election and not the country or else they wouldnt get elected. Its an election between the lesser of the 2 evils. As far as Bush-Hitler I dont believe that anyone is trully stupid enough to actually believe that. "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:32 AM:
" Simple Man - What specifically did the "post 2006" congress do to create this mess? Was it: 1) raising the minimum wage? 2) the U.S. troop readiness/Veterans care act? 3) How about the protect american act of 2007? 4) or the honest leadership & open government act of 2007? Maybe your upset about the legislation congress approved and Bush vetoed such as: 1) The energy independance and security act of 07. 2) The Veterans Educations assistance act of 2008. 3) OR how about The Housing and Economic Recovery Act of 2008 that President Bush Vetoed July 30, 2008... HMMMM some interesting food for thought there huh? "
Im_not_saying wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:28 AM:
" Hey "Genius" - Here's question for you. What is Inflation, and what is it's current rate? And then what was it BEFORE Bush took office? The answers, in order are - It is a general rise in tend of prices of consumer goods and services. The Current rate is 5.7%. In 2000 it was 2.3%. So Inflation has MORE than doubled, And unemployment has risen, yet there is still growth? WHy so you ask? Well the GDP is up. That's really great and all but it is only 1 indicator - of how much we make. If we ship it overseas, or spend it on - OH, say Iraq, it does not reflect well here, does it? The thruth is that we are in the midst of a depression. "
1209 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:33 AM:
" McCain, George Wallace Jr., the KKK, and all white supremacists lie about having the support of the NAACP while the NACCP continues to laugh it off and completely deny support for McCain, Wallace Jr., or any white supremacist. Hitler also claimed to have the support of the Jews while he "led" Germany. By the way, since when does having an Avon dealership qualify any of you as a "business owner"? "
Trubbled wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:45 AM:
" I can't believe one is stupid enough to vote Republican after all the messes. But then most of them are "simple" "
Kem Cho wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:00 AM:
" No need to blame anybody - Democrats holding both House and Senate could not do anything to change Bush's policy. If you need to blame I would call Democrat leadership incompetent and promise breakers. They just could not handle Bush. You need no law to blame others. "
DW wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:09 AM:
" Wow, you guys really kept this one going, I was gone for a couple days and caboom, almost 200 posts. Here's my two cents. IN THE LAST WEEK OUR GOVERNMENT HAS SOCIALIZED OUR MONITARY SYSTEM. Isn't that wonderful?? We nationalized the banks and now are so far in debt that we will never get out. Our government spent 1 trillion dollars in 7 days?? For all you Bush haters out there, not even GW could have spent that much cash on his own. And now congress in going to take an 8 week recess?? They spent us into financial hell and skip town. I wish I could run a business that way. Run it into the ground, screem HHHEEEEELLPPP??, and have the feds bail me out and also, and I still get my $20 million dollar golden parachute. What a country. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN SOLD OUT BY OUR GOVERNMENT!! But I guess as long as you dolts can still buy an expresso at Starbucks everything is O.K. Maybe if Starbucks went into bankruptcy, and closed it's doors people would wake up. Welcome to the USAR, (United Socialist American Republic). Good bye USA...... :( "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:37 AM:
" According to an AP-Yahoo poll released today, you Liberal Demoncrats will only have yourself to blame when the racist Obama is defeated. Seems that most of you white Liberal Demoncrats don't have a very high opinion of blacks. Check this out: http://news.yahoo.com/page/election-2008-political-pulse-obama-race And you Liberals point your racist fingers at Republicans. Shame on you. Now we really know the truth about you. You are closet bigots. I also hope you will read passed the racial numbers and see that more than 17 percent of Hillary's White supporters will vote for McCain. That won't hurt opinion with Liberal bigot states like Washington but it will kill him in the battleground states of Michigan, Ohio, Florida, and Virginia. It may even put Pennsylvania in McCain's column. So when you lose Washington Liberals. Don't say the Republicans stole it. Look inside your party for the reasons. "
columbian wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:45 AM:
" 10 TRILLION$ 700 MILLION$ 5000 DOLLARS A MINUTE FOR THE WAR- WOW- PLUS 200 MILLION ON INTEREST TO CHINA A YEAR.AND SOMEONE SAYS WE ARE GOING TO SEE HIGHER TAXS???FIGURE IT OUT HOW ELSE ARE WE GOING TO PAY THIS OFF.BUY OUTS -DEREGULATIONS.8 YEARS OF LIES AND SPENDING.AND WE BLAME CLINTON WAKE UP AMERICA. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:18 AM:
" Unfortunately, there seems to be a few people daft enough to believe the Bush-Hitler thing, though no one has the cojones to actually back it up with any evidence. Let's remember something critical here, though: Presidents do not create jobs nor do they eliminate jobs. Presidents do not determine inflation and prices. Presidents get way too much credit and critique when it comes to the economy. I mean that for Bush just as much as I do for Clinton. One thing I find a bit ironic: when Clinton signed NAFTA in the 1990s, the Democrats thought this was the greatest thing since sliced bread, while the GOP was a bit more cautious about it. Fast foward to now. Democrats rates NAFTA somewhere between Lucifer and George Bush, and the most of the fiscal conservatives (I won't say the whole GOP, because there are a few that favor protectionism as an economic policy) think it would be crazy to get out of NAFTA. The whole thing is more confusing than the ending to "No Country for Old Men." "
ratkins wrote on Sep 20, 2008 11:50 AM:
" I see your point and you said it well. Obviously, alot of people are so stubborn they cannot see what is staring them in the face. Please don't cut off your nose to spite your face. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 1:51 PM:
" Hey Cheney, Columbia, 1209, BMOC and you others, how come according to the AP-Yahoo poll released today one-third of white Democrats harbor negative views toward blacks many calling them "lazy," "violent" or responsible for their own troubles. The poll, conducted with Stanford University, suggests that the percentage of voters who may turn away from Obama because of his race could easily be larger than the final difference. Wow that says a lot about you Liberals. How about not being honest about how you actually feel about blacks. The poll also says that McCain has won at least 17 percent of Hillary's voters and that more will likely turn to him in the final weeks. How come you Liberals feel this way? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:01 PM:
" So, who owns an Avon dealership, 'cause it sure as hell isn't me! BadBoy brings up an interesting point with Liberals as closet bigots. With their full-fledged support of Affirmative Action and hiring quotas, that doesn't make them closeted- that's about as wide open as you can get. "
DUH wrote on Sep 20, 2008 3:46 PM:
" Does't worry me in the least Bad Boy. Doesn't say how many Republicans feel that way. Besides, Obama is still 3 points ahead in the polls. You want to go by something YAHOO puts out go right ahead. Makes you a YAHOO yourself. Ooops, did I call you a name? "
loudly wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:04 PM:
" JUANLESSTIME: Apparently TDN has an issue with me calling you a bigot because they wouldn't post my previous comments regarding your "redneck" comment and your poor attempt at sarcasm. Just to refresh, I called your insinuation that mexican's are somehow above the types of stereotypes you describd laughable. Also, your resentment towards my words fall on deaf ears. The fact that you agreed with Bill Kasch's comments tells me all I will ever need to know (or want to know) about you or how you really feel about the USA. In fact, I find your use of your disabled status to be a slap in the face when you so obviously hate this country and have stereotypical views of us REDNECKS. Don't worry TDN, I don't expect this to be posted as it apparently doesnt fit with your agenda. "
columbian wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:06 PM:
" Bad Boy 1st it was terrorism then CLINTON then liberals and now its racist,give me a hint what next.and you keep asking what the demoncrats are going to do if elected.and i ask you what 1 good thing the BUSH BUNCH HAS DID IN THE LAST 8 YEARS?????I bet you have never seen hard times.ODDS ARE YOUR GOING TO IF Mc Cain and MOOSE LADY GETS IN. "
DW wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:09 PM:
" You people really don't get it do you?? It doesn't matter who or what or when anymore. YOUR GOVERNMENT HAS SOLD THE AMERICAN PEOPLE OUT!! End of story. The USAR (United Socialist American Republic) will fall sooner than later. I do not blame any one party or person, I BLAME THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR LETTING THIS HAPPEN!! We have let the treasures of this once great country be stolen by our representatives, REPUBLICRATS AND DEMOCINS!! There really is no difference. Whoever is elected will have no choice but to raise taxes through the roof!! You can't take anymore from the rich since they pay the most anyway. All you dolts making less than $100,000 a year,(and that's most of us), are going to get our backsides hosed by our government. There is no conservatives left to bring sanity back. TDN bad boy may be a true conservative, but the Republicrats and Democins have stolen the treasure of my family, my kids family, and if there are anymore generations left, my grandkids family. God Bless what is left of this country, 'cause it ain't much. Hate Bush all you want, but it was the whole entire government that did this. Socialism now lives in America and we have no one to blame but ourselves. So go get your latte' at Starbucks and be happy that you still can. Your lives are about to change. "
DW wrote on Sep 20, 2008 4:27 PM:
" And also, some of you socialist like cheney119, and 1209 should be happy. In a way you got what you wanted. Bush was never a true conservative. There are no conservatives in power anymore. The government has turned to socialism as an model. All of you red diaper doper babies out there can rejoice. If McCain is elected he will have no choice but to follow the whims of the socialist movement. If Obama is elected there will be no difference, it will just move along a little faster. All of the power that we might have had as a people is gone. The government owns the banks, and the banks own the people. Maybe we should just turn in the good ol' red white and blue for the star and sickle. You people cannot even imagine what we have lost. If the founders of this country saw what had happened to their country, they would point their collective finger at us in disgust. Bush, Cheney, Rummy, Clinton, Bush #1, Carter, all of them sold us out. The only President that came close to saving what was left was Reagan, and not even Reagan could fix what has happened to this country. Welcome to the USAR, (Untied Socialist American Republic). I hope all you dolts on the left got what you wanted. I don't really know how you could be happier!! "
dude wrote on Sep 20, 2008 6:28 PM:
" FYI it was Billy boy who signed the bill that allowed mortgages to be sold to wall street. After the great depression they made a law to ban the pratice. The reason was the people selling the loans to wall street didn't care if the loans were repaid. Just like today. History repeats itself. No more lobbist in DC. No more selling out to them for money like Billy did. "
Simple Man wrote on Sep 20, 2008 7:43 PM:
" DW: What did Bush do to harm the economy America so much, what did he pass that was so bad? All Im saying is that Bush catches too much heat for Americas slip ups. The US govt. has checks and balances so no one branch can screw up alone. The truth is that DW is right. It doesnt matter who is elected there is no savior in this election. The downfall is loss of morals and patriotism, outsourcing, and saling out to monopolies and foreign countries. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 8:59 PM:
" Duh, apparently you didn't read the story. The poll wasn't conducted or put out by Yahoo. It was commissioned by the Associated Press and Yahoo in partnership and was conducted by one of the most Liberal universities on the West Coast, Stanford. So I can see why you would have faults with them lableling most Democrats as racist. That story was even too intellectual for Columbian to read apparently. That poll proves exactly what most Republicans have always known. That most Liberals are racists, they just lie about it. That poll is probably the first truth we had about this election. The radical Liberals you simply want Pelosi and Reid in control of the government, will do anything to get their racist candidate elected. But the moderate Democrats, the conservative Democrats and the people who lie and call themselves independents probably won't vote for Obama. In fact, I find it amusing that you Liberals think he will be able to hold Hillary supporters in the end. In the end, they will vote their conscience and according to this poll, they have very specific racist reasons for not voting for Obama. Very interesting indeed. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 20, 2008 9:20 PM:
" Columbian, I read your post about why you think Obama will bring change. You said tells the truth -- well I don't call someone who says he will abide by the campaign finance law and then said he wouldn't. Or the guy said he couldn't disown Rev. Wright, then did. Honest is honest and that's not honest.
Listen to the people? Like almost 60 percent wants drilling and he refuses. That Americans favor nuclear energy and he refuses. Yes I would say he is a good listener. Someone who goes by the laws? That's why he's close friends with a murdering radical bomber, a convicted slum lord and a jailed mayor. IQ? Oh really? Why because he's Ivy League. So is President Bush. Doesn't live on lies? Oh so following a racist minister for 20 years and denying isn't living on a lie? But the one thing you said I don't is the real crux of your support: Bring the troops home. Well since that is alredy being discussed it really doesn't mean much. But do mean bring them all out now? So that means that you are willing to let open bloodshed take place? You are willing to let Iran take over? You are willing to Israel into a position that it will have fight for survival. The tryant in Iran has already said he wants to wipe out Israel. Will you give him the chance? That's the problem with you liberals. You lie and belive it. "
Listen to the people? Like almost 60 percent wants drilling and he refuses. That Americans favor nuclear energy and he refuses. Yes I would say he is a good listener. Someone who goes by the laws? That's why he's close friends with a murdering radical bomber, a convicted slum lord and a jailed mayor. IQ? Oh really? Why because he's Ivy League. So is President Bush. Doesn't live on lies? Oh so following a racist minister for 20 years and denying isn't living on a lie? But the one thing you said I don't is the real crux of your support: Bring the troops home. Well since that is alredy being discussed it really doesn't mean much. But do mean bring them all out now? So that means that you are willing to let open bloodshed take place? You are willing to let Iran take over? You are willing to Israel into a position that it will have fight for survival. The tryant in Iran has already said he wants to wipe out Israel. Will you give him the chance? That's the problem with you liberals. You lie and belive it. "
ssuklis1 wrote on Sep 20, 2008 10:30 PM:
" Recently, when I made a similar comparison to something Bush had done,my wife pointed out that it's not possible to compare Bush to Hitler: When I asked why, she replied: "Hitler had brains". "
1209 wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:04 AM:
" Whining after 6PM on a Saturday night? Some people are obviously worried about Obama's inevitable win! Clear desperate frustration from Hitler's "master race"! "
DW wrote on Sep 21, 2008 10:00 AM:
" ssuklis1, yes Hitler did have brains didn't he. He killed 6 million Jews, and he started a war that killed 50 million people. Then when the rest of the world couldn't kill him he kills himself. That's brilliant!! Unless of course your wife is a racist and hates Jews. Then I suppose Hitler is her bloody hero. I can't believe they even post racist comments like that of ssuklis1 "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 21, 2008 11:51 AM:
" 1209, how come you can't answer about the racist leanings of the Liberal white Democrats, according the poll released yesterday. More than 30 percent? Wow that's a very high number. I think this is first honest poll about the Liberals in this electon. "
DW wrote on Sep 21, 2008 12:40 PM:
" 1209, you got what you wanted. Doesn't matter who wins now. You should get one of those big red flags with a star and sickle on it and put it on top of your house that is probably now owned by the USAR,(United Socialist American Republic). McSocialist, or Obcommunist. There is no difference now. Your country has been sold out and your vote no longer means anything. But I am sure you are just giddy at thought of the USAR. It's what you red diaper doper babies wanted since the 60's anyway. I hate everything that communism, socialism and liberlism stands for. They are one in the same. 1209 you should be dancing in the streets with your star and sickle flag. Your country has been hijacked and the only thing you want is to have it go as fast as possible by voting for Obcommunist. You are a dolt, along with all the other liberal Republicrats and Democins. Long live the USAR....not. "
juanlesstime wrote on Sep 21, 2008 5:23 PM:
" (very)loudly..."JUANLESSTIME: Apparently TDN has an issue with me calling you a bigot because they wouldn't post my previous comments regarding your "redneck" comment and your poor attempt at sarcasm." Yeah, Cal and TDN are funny like that...they know the difference between racism and sarcasam. Call 'em up. maybe they'll explain it to you...I wouldn't waste my time. And I don't know you or Mr. Kasch, but he's at least literate and ready to talk with the big people. You might want to give up the time you spend here and move on to "The Springer Show"...it'll be a better fit for you. You'll get to throw chairs and rip off your shirt and rassle with your ex's brother and everything!!!
Hey...tell your buddies not to forget to post about the Drug Court bust...psst...they were...white folks! I got nothin against the white people who came here and worked and didn't cause trouble, but just look at the trouble their dang anchor babies have caused. And my love for and service to this country stands on its own merit...what have you done besides waste an education others paid for and snivel and moan about the way things are while leaving it up to others to do the work? Don't blow a gasket, loudly...talk to me. We have lots left to talk about... "
Hey...tell your buddies not to forget to post about the Drug Court bust...psst...they were...white folks! I got nothin against the white people who came here and worked and didn't cause trouble, but just look at the trouble their dang anchor babies have caused. And my love for and service to this country stands on its own merit...what have you done besides waste an education others paid for and snivel and moan about the way things are while leaving it up to others to do the work? Don't blow a gasket, loudly...talk to me. We have lots left to talk about... "
DUH wrote on Sep 21, 2008 6:17 PM:
" Wow Bad Boy, talk about being hypocritical. All your whining about how voting for Obama makes you a racist. Now you're saying you'll gladly accept racist votes for your candidate. If voting for Obama would make me a racist, whats that make McCain if racists vote for him? "
columbian wrote on Sep 21, 2008 9:22 PM:
" Bad Boy give me a reason IRAQ cant defend themselfs? They been trained for 7 years.THERE AS MANY OF THEM AS THERE IS IRANIANS. "
columbian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:02 AM:
" BAD BOY:I got a better name for you ,it should be mad man.By the way do you remember your MR.BUSH wanting to change SOCIAL SECURITY BY SWITCHING IT OVER TO INVESTMENT CO.S AND THE STOCK MARKET???Chalk one up for the demoncratic congress for stopping that with the stock market in shambles, what would your grandparents be living on now? CHECK AND SEE IF McCAIN DIDNT VOTE FOR THE CHANGE.AS HE DID 99%OF THE TIME WITH BUSH.ALSO WHY DID 14 RANKING REPUBLICANS LEAVE THE BUSH PARTY IN THE LAST 4 YEARS? AND WHAT HAPPENED TO GONZALEZ?TODAYS NEWS ONLY WAY TO PAY OFF THE NATIONAL DEBT IS BY HI-TAXES.WHO RAN THIS UP??? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:12 AM:
" Jeez, I take a weekend off, and the Hitler story nears 200 posts. I guess if Bill Kasch was hoping to break a record or something, he had to have figured the headline alone would get people talking on both sides. I totally disagree with everything he wrote in the article, but maybe he isn't that daft. Maybe for his next piece, he should make the headline about being in favor or drowning a bag of kittens or shooting dogs with a sniper rifle at the dog park. Probably get 400 posts in two days with that kind of headline. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:28 AM:
" Columbian, you had better look at who the majority of the Iraq govt. is religiously tied to? Iran. Iran is predominantly Sunni and the majority in charge in Iraq now are Sunni and were heavily presecuted by Saddam's Shiitites. And both groups are not favorable to the Kurds. So the Sunni leadership in Iraq will not put up any effort to stop Iran from building up the militant Sunnis trying to destroy the Shiitites. Man you really need to study this region before you pop off. Look at the facts. The only thing stopping that tyrant in Iran right now is the presence of the U.S. military. The same goes for keeping Syria inside its borders. And that is all Israel has protecting it from all out war. The tyrant in Iran has already said he will wipe Israel off the map. What do you expect Israel to do, wait until he's sitting on their border? You have to be fooling yourself to think that Iraq in any form will stand up to Iran and Syria, two countries that have been building and stockpiling military weapons for decades. Please, get serious about this because it very easily could spread into a conflict that would have worldwide reprecussions. If you don't think it will, then continue to spout off your belief that Obama's pledge to pull out U.S. troops is the best plan. It won't take Iran long to show you just how stupid that idea will be. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:31 AM:
" Columbian, please, please get your facts straight. There are 65.5 million Iranians and 27.5 million Iraqis. Were do you get your facts? Obama headquarters? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 22, 2008 11:22 AM:
" The thing about Iran is the liberals don't ever want to mention the fact Ahmadinejad is a Holocaust denier and someone who love to see Israel removed from existance. I agree with BadBoy here: our presence in Iraq has helped keep Syria and Iran in line, or as much in line as they could be. The leaders of those countries are many things, but stupid is not one them. It is not in their interests to be making moves against Israel or the Middle East as a whole with the US military on their borders. So, they can make outlandish statements and claims, but they aren't crazy enough to do anything as long as we are right there. I also don't think they really want to get into it Israel because they know that the repurcussions and payback on an attack on Israel would move Iran and Syria back to the Stone Age, which would acutally be an improvement for the most part. "
columbian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 3:18 PM:
" Genius and Bad boy ever stop and think what gives us the right to go into a foriegn land kill 260,000 for there people and then tell anyone else dont try to do the same thing.and please dont give the lame excuse.to stop terrorism.and why do you just dwell on the war.what about the shape the USA is in? the war and a lady with 18 mo.in politics running for V.P. OF THE UNITED STATES. Two republican blunders. "
mole wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:15 PM:
" TOLEDOONE,THE WAR IS NOT IN THE CORRECT AREA,WE WERE TOLD ABOUT,AFGANISTAN IS THE PLACE.WHAT HAPPENED TO BIN-LADEN,I THOUGHT HE WAS THE CULPRIT WE WANTED??NO WMD,S FOUND IN IRAQ,WHY WE STILL THERE,THEY EVEN WANT A TIME LIMIT FOR BUSH TO GET OUT!!! BUT I AM JUST AN AVERAGE PERSON,PLEASE TELL ME WHAT, THE REAL REASONS ARE? "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 22, 2008 5:21 PM:
" So, the first-term US Senator who has spent more than half of his term running for President... That's the experience he holds over the vice-presidential nominee, am I right? So, what exactly is his experience advantage that he holds over the senior Senator from Arizona? You know, the guy he is actually RUNNING against? I do worry about domestic issues, but my concern is bringing down spending. On one hand, the Dems want to regulate everything to death and bring this nation closer to socialism, which is just another step closer to Communism. The GOP, on the other hand, has their hand forced, because if they don't at least try to help failing financial institutions, then they'll be accused of not caring and welcoming an economic collapse. But since they are trying to help, the get lambasted over "wasteful spending." Talk about a no-win situation. The worst thing that could happen is for the Democrats to control both houses of Congress and the Presidency. They would be allowed to pass legislation like the Employee Free Choice Act (which would end the practice of secret ballots in union elections) and reenacting the Fairness Doctrine, because, Lord knows, the left isn't content with the major TV networks, most of cable news, over 70% of American newspapers, along with Hollywood. They need talk radio to get their message out too. They cannot be allowed to have unchecked power in government. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 22, 2008 9:30 PM:
" Columbian, where in the world do you get your figures? 260,000 hardly. What gives the right to these religious fanatics to blow up innocent people? What gives them the right to treat women as worse than the treat dogs? You still haven't answered one question about what will happen when our troops leave? Do you ever think about the future? So you know you don't have any answers about the region of the world, as your statemtn of as many Iraquis as Iranians shows. You have the foreign intelligence of a Obama supporter. I'll bet you don't even know that Russia has a veto on the UN Security Council. But hey if you don't want to talk about the war OK, I'll play. When you tell me what you think your candidate will accomplish with economy? And do you really want to talk about Gov. Palin's experience when your candidate will need his diapers changed in the White House? Come on. Bring something, anything that is factual to the table. Thus far you have done nothing but repeat Liberal rhetoric that you hear on TV. Do you have an original idea of your own? "
columbian wrote on Sep 22, 2008 10:49 PM:
" Bad Boy YOU SAY 27.5 MILLION IRAQIS IS THAT BEFORE WE KILLED 260,000 OF THEM OR AFTER???? AND YOU TELL ME THAT THEY STILL WANT US THERE.AND I LIKED YOUR ANSWER ABOUT THE BUSH PLAN ON SOCIAL SECURITY. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:32 AM:
" Privatize Social Security. That's a huge burden off taxpayers right there. "
loudly wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:03 PM:
" JUANLESSTIME: your responses are hilarious. Since you seem to agree with Mr. Kasch, are you agreeing that Bush is = to Hitler? I mean those who are agreeing with Kasch's uneducated rant seem to be forgetting something. If Bush=Hitler does that make our Soldiers = to Nazi's and the SS? If they are doing Bush's bidding then are they using the old "we're just following orders" argument used by Nazi war criminals? You call Kasch literate and able to talk with the "big people" now that's funny! O and I paid a lot of attention to the big bust over in Columbia Co. Interesting as it may have been I couldn't help but remember that the drugs involved in all the cases came from Mexico! Some people are trying to put a stop to the free flow of dope coming from the border but Mexico's drug gangs keep finding new holes. When they aren't down there killing each other, they're looking for new drug route's. Yep, those down south certainly are WAY more civilized than us rednecks! "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:12 PM:
" Columbian, where in the world do you get the 260,000 figure from? According to places like the UN, the estimate is less than half of the figure you state. And far less than that are by U.S. troops. And of the number killed by U.S. troops, a high number were not Iraqui citizens, but radical Muslims from other countries who went to Iraq to disrupt the growth of democracy. So once again, it proven that your facts are completely inaccurate. As for Social Security, I'm with TheGenius. Privatize it. I would be begging for that if I were a young person today. I have no problem with the government requiring that the same amount that would go to Social Security, would have to go into an untouchable retirement account that you would be free to invest. I know that if I had had that opportunity when I was younger, and I had put that money each year into an IRA, it would be worth more than the govt. would ever give me in Social Security. Heck I'm worried than mine won't be there in 20 years. If I were 20, I would almost take it for granted that it won't be there. And Congress has no idea how to fix it except raise the retirement age. If you are expecting government to have this for you in the future, you probably just bought stock in WaMu. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 12:43 PM:
" TDN Bad Boy..I'm bringing something factual to the table. Ms. Palin is against abortion for any reason, including from incest, any type of abuse and rape. You mentioned that "they" treat women worse than dogs; well the dissolution of Roe V Wade will send victims of these crimes into back alley abortion clinics, just like before Roe V Wade was passed. I can appreciate what you’re saying about the poor treatment of women because even the right to vote was denied to women until 1919 and it took women risking their lives to make that happen. If this amendment to the constitution is taken from women, you are sending us back to the dark ages. This decision by the Supreme Court said that by denying a woman the right to an abortion, we are denying her right to privacy under the 14th Amendment. If we overturn this critical decision ratified by the Supreme Court, then what is next? The right to bear arms?? Religious Freedom? If you think Big Brother is watching you now; just start by giving up any of the rights currently guaranteed under the constitution. "
aelkins02 wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:29 PM:
" It is quite comical that you could compare Bush to Hitler. I would imagine you would even go so far as to say that those who are in the military (certainly those who joined in support of the war effort) could be compared to the gestapo or SS. What's more is that you're making audacious claims about a war you've never fought or if you did you must have been deprived of any source of information other than what the media has been portraying of this war. I guess, after all, you seem to think that the military is bombing and killing innocent people for no apparent reason (an obvious result of having no understanding of practical warfare that at times innocent casualties will happen as a result of trying to make our casualties less as well as efficiently removing the enemy. Which also we try to avoid needless killing.)is equal to the massacre of millions of Jews; which I am certain that jewish holocaust survivors would be quite offended that you have even considered comparing this war to what took place in WWII. I imagine you also think that because; death to all Christians and Jews and any country that supports Israel is in fact the mindset of the majority in the middle east, that their attack on 9/11 was just. God forbid we should super impose our ideals for life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness on others to prevent another 9/11.
You're absolutely right...what an amazing article... "
You're absolutely right...what an amazing article... "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 23, 2008 2:45 PM:
" Klb65, this isn't an article about abortion, but since you Liberals cannot pass any election by without spreading this panic, let me ask you. How many Republican presidents have there been since R v W? And how many have asked for legislation to throw out R v W? The GOP had control of the House and Senate both from 1994-2000. How many bills were passed calling for the removal of R v W? The answer is the same to all of the above. I wonder if you will get it right? Why is it that Liberals only think women vote based on their reproductive rights? That's insulting to say the least. The Liberal Democrats have been saying this for 20 years now and not once has a Republican offered Legislation that would throw out R v. W. If it wasn't so sad that babies have to die in this, you Liberals would be hilarious in protection of this. But I guess you would rather see babies die. I know I wouldn't but it's not an issue to me. That said, I will protest loud and long if the Liberals institute any healthcare options that use federal dollars to pay for abortions. That is choice. Make it, pay for it. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 23, 2008 3:20 PM:
" klb65, do yourself a favor and quit acting like you're some kind of Constitutional scholar. First things last, there is no amendment making abortion legal or illegal for that matter. Roe v. Wade wasn't about denying privacy under the 14th Amendment; it was the 4th Amendment. You know, the one against unreasonable search and seizure. Regardless, the basis for the left's argument in favor of legalized abortion is wrong. Read the Constitution and show where the phrase "right to privacy" is written. I'll save you the trouble: it's not there. The entire basis for the argument for legalized abortion is a red herring. With that said, abortion is ultimately a medical issue, and as such, should be treated as a states' rights issue. I am personally against abortion and I think it is an absolutely terrible thing. It's covering up a mistake with another mistake. Just because I'm against that has no relevance to my overall feelings about womens' rights and if the Supreme Court were to ever hear a case that could potentially overturn Roe v. Wade, I highly doubt our society would go back to the Stone Age, as you and so many others seem to think. "
columbian wrote on Sep 23, 2008 5:53 PM:
" Wow just read the budget of 2009 set at 4 trillion plus 10 trillion national debt, 14 trillion and we are worried about abortions.Took from the time of THOMAS JEFFERSON TO PRES. REAGAN RUN UP A TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT.NOW 14 TRILLION IN 8 YEARS.And the count goes on, ya but dont sweat the big stuff. "
columbian wrote on Sep 23, 2008 6:11 PM:
" Well now we see where Mc Cains campaign manager has been recieving 15,000 dollars A MONTH FROM MORTGAGE CO. FREDDIE MAC.when ask what for,answer was for doing nothing realy.And you wonder why he voted for the bail out.MORE REP.STINK "
Commenter wrote on Sep 23, 2008 7:05 PM:
" Again... Get rid of the republican and democratic parties. People should run as individuals, not as a member of an organization. They're suppose to be representing the people, not a political party. That is all elections revolve around anymore. It seems we now vote for a political party rather than an individual. There is more finger pointing and negative campaigning than promoting ones self. It's all about pointing out how bad the other person is. Shouldn't campaigns be about how good you are, and HOW you will improve the country if elected? What happened to positive campaigning? Negative campaigning should be banned. That is why our voter turnout continues to drop. Anyone who isn't biased has a difficult time deciding who to vote for because of all the negativity. I can't even remember the last time I saw a campaign commercial that didn't bash an opponent. We as a country need to learn to work with each other rather than against each other. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 23, 2008 9:41 PM:
" Columbian what happened to your Social Security issue? Give up already? And what happened to answering any of the questions about the future of Iraq, about Iran's intervention, about Syria helping Hamas and Hezbollah rebuild? After seeing that you said Iraq and Iran had the same number of people or that the U.S. has killed more than 260,000 civilians in Iraq when the number killed by U.S. troops is under 10,000 and most of those have been identified as radical Muslims from either inside Iraq or outside. Your credibility is seriously lacking. And what about Obama finally admitting today that his spending programs such as healthcare are now seriously in doubt. Another flip flop from the Liberal flip flop artist, hip hop flip flop. The guy has no credibility, he has no experience, no character, no leadership ability. Even Biden said today that Obama was desperate and wrong to run the ad criticizing Sen. McCain's computer expertise. Ah you Liberals is it wasn't so funny to laugh at you what would do for entertainment? "
columbian wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:32 PM:
" Bad Boy:check on the first 7 days of bombing how many killed .that doesnt worry me as much as the 14 trillion.and the SSS in the stock market now.get real. "
columbian wrote on Sep 23, 2008 11:40 PM:
" CCD: YOU SAID IT ALL IN YOUR ABOVE STATEMENT.BAD BOY GO BACK UP AND READ THAT AGAIN.AND THEN GET LOST. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 24, 2008 9:20 AM:
" Columbian, you have no facts. And how come your boy Clinton didn't fix SSS when he was in office? Why? Because it's not an issue? You have no clue about retirement economics. You are just spouting Liberal rhetoric about the war and you have no idea what you are talking about. Your figures are completely inaccurate such as the populations of Iran and Iraq and the number of civilian casualties. I don't rely on partisan non-factual websites for my information. I looked at the UN figures. You might want to do the same and enlighten yourself with the truth. By the way, please tell me what Obama plans to do with SSS? Outside of privatizing it as TheGenius said, the only fix is to move the retirement age out to 70. The Liberals already move the date once. It's not a fix. There is no fix for a pyramid scheme and that is exactly what SSS is. If you did that in private life today you would be in jail. So support if you want, I would rather look at more innovative and profitable ways for Americans to improve their retirement future. And by the way, I saw yesterday where Obama conceded that healthcare is all but out of the question due to the cost. Anoter Flip Flop from Mr. Hip Hop Flip Flop. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:31 PM:
" I propose someone set up a website so we could all lay a bet down as to how many posts this story gets. I think a $20 buy-in would be appropriate, winner take all. My money is on 263. "
columbian wrote on Sep 24, 2008 3:33 PM:
" Bad Boy no one can fix anything.CHINA SAYS ITS STOPPING ALL DEBT LOANS TO THE USA.DUE TO WE OWE THEM 10 TRILLION DOLLARS intrest there is 250 million alone.by the way bush didnt want moneys for the war to go toward SSS HE WANTED IT SET UP FOR HIS WALL STREET PALS.AND ASK YOURSELF WAY IS SSS IN TROUBLE? REPUBLICANS HAVE BORROWED OUT OF IT TIME AND TIME AGAIN. "
juanlesstime wrote on Sep 24, 2008 5:46 PM:
" loudly...I KNEW you could find a way to make Mexicans the fault for a bunch of middle class white folk's drug habits!!! I was just afraid you were down in Oregon stringing up effigies of black Presidential candidates or something. But, like most racists, you seem to make your comments only from the safety of anonymity, you are tough only hiding behind your keyboard. Come on over to the TDN Forum and enlighten me over there...we can talk in real time, you can share your lovely views with many more people...maybe you can even man up enough to put your real name behind the drivel you post. Just go on over there and post that the drug bust was the fault of Mexicans...bet you're chicken.
Squawk "
Squawk "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 24, 2008 11:08 PM:
" Columbian where do you get your facts? First Iraq has same number of people as Iran. Only missed that by almost 40 million. Hey what's 20 or 30 million? Then it's 260,000 Iraquis killed by U.S. troops. First the number of Iraqui deaths is actually about a third of that between 70 and 80 thousand, and of those less than 10,000 have died by US action. But hey don't let a Liberal lie get in the way of the truth. And now you are laying the SSS problem on the Republicans. Nice try. But the 1983 bill to change SSS was written by two Democratic Senators. A Republican Senator joined it to make it bi-partisan And for the most part that bill is viewed as bi-partisan to keep either party from taking the blame. But you probably don't know that. You just want to listen to campaign lies. That's OK, you don't know any facts and you know enough about Obama to talk on his points. When you need another lesson come back with another idea. Oh and by the way, how's your retirement plan? Mine is great because I put it into an IRA back in the late 70s. It's now worth more than I ever dreamed. That on top of my business leaves my family and me in great shape with our real estate. I'll look for you the next time I go by a tent city. "
loudly wrote on Sep 25, 2008 11:15 AM:
" JUANLESSTIME: Congrats! You followed the path every other pathetic liberal follows. You now attempt to turn this into some racial game. I simply pointed out that you are a bigot. Look at your first post where you lump everyone (all white people that is) into the category of "rednecks", you even used grammer to make white people sound dim. Now you whine and snivel because I pointed out that mexicans have the same flaws as those that you were making fun of. I bet you're a real hoot over on the TDN forums! "
rossi08 wrote on Sep 25, 2008 6:04 PM:
" I'm a Republican who will vote for Rossi, but not McCain. If you're disturbed by the racism of this story and the comments posted on TDN, I've been informed that the Obama campaign is looking for you to point it out by emailing watchdog@barackobama.com. I'm going to try it. I've been told that they verify receipt of your tips. Now, if only TDN will allow my post! Probably not. Otherwise, why allow the disturbing racism against Obama in these comments? One way to get change started once Obama and Rossi win election this November! "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 25, 2008 10:44 PM:
" rossi08, you are more than welcome to send them any comments I make about Obama's racism. Anybone who knowlingly supports a racist is a racist. Obma knew about Wright's racist stances for several years and continued to support him financially, even calling Wright his "moral guide." Anybody who uses phrases like "typical white woman" is a racist. Obama gave money to a racist in Rev. Wright and to a racist organization, Wright's church, for almost a decade. Now that makes him a blatant racist. And in case you don't know, racism comes in all colors not just white. Furthermore, the racist Obama has never denounced Louis Farrakan for his anti-semitism. It is that kind of support for hate in the world that creates the problems we have. So please give my regards to the racist Obama and all his racist supporters and that includes you if you vote for him. Proudly I can say I have never voted for and never will vote for a racist. "
DUH wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:38 AM:
" You are hilarious Bad Boy. You whoop it up saying that racists wont vote for Obama. Then you say that those that do vote for Obama are racist. Did you fall off of your meds or what? "
DUH wrote on Sep 26, 2008 9:39 AM:
" It's funny. When a teen runs around town painting swastika's on houses and garages, you get all fireD up about how racism is a terrible thing. And you always ask, "Whats wrong with kids today? Where do they learn such hate?" I'll tell you, they learn it from adults. they learn it from you. Maybe your racism isn't about color. Maybe it isn't about religion. What you people do on here is nothing short of political racism. You spew words of hate and call each other names simply because somebody wants to vote for a candidate that you aren't going to vote for. Am I less human than you are if I vote Democrat and you vote Republican? No. Are you less human than me if I'm white and you're black? No. Am I less human than you if I am Christian and you are Jehovah Witness or Mormon? No. It's a sad sad situation when you can throw out your words of hate and all the name calling simply because you cant agree on who to vote for. So to answer, Whats wrong with kids today? They are acting like adults. The adults you proclaim to be. Whats wrong with all of you? You're acting like kids. GROW UP! Bad Boy you are the worst. "
melas wrote on Sep 26, 2008 5:54 PM:
" On SS -
Since TDN wants to ramble about Obama's plan for SS when he actually has no understanding of either candidates' plan I thought I would post information here with regards to both candidates. Understand McCain wants to PRIVATIZE your SS. That means invest it...as in WALL STREET....really stable, huh? Let's be clear...less regulation, less over site, less money..for us more for the billionaire CEOs. Similar to the bail out right now that the republican congress is supporting....less over sight, more tax breaks for those companies that got us into this mess, made HUGE amounts of revenue and are not wanting you to let the average joe keep his house at a rate he can afford and wants US to pay for it.
But enough of that...here you go:
Obama vs. McCain
First of all, Obama has a detailed plan for retirement security, over and above Social Security, enunciated on his website. McCain does not even mention Social Security on his website.
Obama proposes this to “fix” Social Security, paraphrasing from his website:
“Ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security. Those making over $250,000 to pay in the range of 2 to 4 percent more in total (combined employer and employee). “
Although not mentioned specifically, the roll back of the Bush tax cuts would also help. And again, the main beneficiaries of the Social Security Surplus were those making more than $250, 000 per year.
Obama’s plan appears to be consistent with the facts of what happened to the Social Security Surplus, recognizing that there were elements of society that have enjoyed a benefit from that surplus and asking them to give some back.
John McCain consistently proposes, as the AFLCIO website reports, diverting some percentage of the SSA income stream to private accounts, or “privatization” of Social Security. This does nothing whatsoever to solve the projected shortfalls in funding that will begin in about fifteen years. And the debate over the wisdom of placing tax collections in private investment is as old as the program itself. But that is a subject for another setting.
So essentially McCain’s plan must be characterized as simply doing nothing, effectively cutting benefits to the people who paid for them already. And that characterization, that they have paid for them, may elicit some criticism from people who do not understand that the Greenspan plan was an exception to the formula of Social Security. Before Greenspan, it was current workers supporting retired workers. Greenspan made it, by collecting more money than current obligations, a loan to the government by the Baby Boomers. "
Since TDN wants to ramble about Obama's plan for SS when he actually has no understanding of either candidates' plan I thought I would post information here with regards to both candidates. Understand McCain wants to PRIVATIZE your SS. That means invest it...as in WALL STREET....really stable, huh? Let's be clear...less regulation, less over site, less money..for us more for the billionaire CEOs. Similar to the bail out right now that the republican congress is supporting....less over sight, more tax breaks for those companies that got us into this mess, made HUGE amounts of revenue and are not wanting you to let the average joe keep his house at a rate he can afford and wants US to pay for it.
But enough of that...here you go:
Obama vs. McCain
First of all, Obama has a detailed plan for retirement security, over and above Social Security, enunciated on his website. McCain does not even mention Social Security on his website.
Obama proposes this to “fix” Social Security, paraphrasing from his website:
“Ask those making over $250,000 to contribute a bit more to Social Security. Those making over $250,000 to pay in the range of 2 to 4 percent more in total (combined employer and employee). “
Although not mentioned specifically, the roll back of the Bush tax cuts would also help. And again, the main beneficiaries of the Social Security Surplus were those making more than $250, 000 per year.
Obama’s plan appears to be consistent with the facts of what happened to the Social Security Surplus, recognizing that there were elements of society that have enjoyed a benefit from that surplus and asking them to give some back.
John McCain consistently proposes, as the AFLCIO website reports, diverting some percentage of the SSA income stream to private accounts, or “privatization” of Social Security. This does nothing whatsoever to solve the projected shortfalls in funding that will begin in about fifteen years. And the debate over the wisdom of placing tax collections in private investment is as old as the program itself. But that is a subject for another setting.
So essentially McCain’s plan must be characterized as simply doing nothing, effectively cutting benefits to the people who paid for them already. And that characterization, that they have paid for them, may elicit some criticism from people who do not understand that the Greenspan plan was an exception to the formula of Social Security. Before Greenspan, it was current workers supporting retired workers. Greenspan made it, by collecting more money than current obligations, a loan to the government by the Baby Boomers. "
DW wrote on Sep 28, 2008 9:00 AM:
" melas, How did you get past 250 words? did you hack TDN's web site or do you run it?? Anyway, Social Security is an oxymoron to start with. I pay over $4,000 dollars a year into it, and if I'm lucky I'll collect some kind of pitifull benefit when I retire. If I could take that $4,000 a year and stick it in a secure low intrest IRA, I would be a millionaire when I retired. If I give it to the government, they spend every dime. There is no social security lock box. THE GOVERNMENT STOLE THE MONEY!! But I guess us dolts that can get their starbucks everyday don't really give a rip. So melas for you to say that Obcommunist has a plan is rediculous. The congress will continue to steal the money, and we "The People", will just sit back, drink our starbucks and let it happen. I say privatize it by directing the money to my own personal bank account that I cannot touch until I retire. But that would never happen 'cause the government derives power through money. Melas, your country has sold you and all of us out. Go ahead and vote for Obcommunist, it doesn't really matter anyway. If McSocialist wins we will still have our backsides handed to us in the form of a giant tax burden. The rich pay the most, now it's our turn. "
DW wrote on Sep 28, 2008 9:05 AM:
" Like the attack dog Joe Biden said, it's time for us to show some patriotism and buck and pay the bill. So now the government is going to hose everyone with a giant tax burden. Wait untill it becomes patriotic for the citizens to give up our retirement to the government?? That will be next. There are trillions of dollars just setting there that we have worked hard to save. The government will try to convince us that they will be good stewards of the money and take it from us. Like they have been good stewards of anything. But as long as they can convince us dolts that we will be taken care of from cradle to grave, and I can get my starbucks, I guess it o.k. Welcome to the USAR, where your money belongs to the government. United Socialist American Republic. "
DW wrote on Sep 28, 2008 1:17 PM:
" C'mon boys and girls, we don't want to dissapoint anyone here. We need about 30 more posts to get where we need to be. Where are some more racist comments from Cheney119 or 1209, DUH, bmoc and the others. Let me keep it going then. Bush is not a conservative, and I think, except for the war, he is a very poor president. But not a Hitler. And even on the war, that was bungled until the surge. Now we are winning in Iraq and Obama wants to kill Osama. I wonder if the islamic extremists listened to the presidential debat where Obama said at lease a half dozen times he wants to kill Osama. He should be careful talking like that Osama might just put a jihad on Obama. But if you ask me the new Hitler of our time in the Iranian president. He has said time and time again he wants to wipe the jews off the map. I don't think Bush is trying to wipe anyone off the map. If he wanted to Bush would have turned the middle east into a glowing pile of glass that would be radio active for 50,000 years. "
DUH wrote on Sep 28, 2008 5:30 PM:
" DW, I have never made any racist comments. You have me mixed up with your buddy TDN Bad Boy. Oh and, Bush couldn't wipe his own butt. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 29, 2008 9:31 AM:
" Duh, you haven't made any racist comments? You are supporting a racist candidate. That would make all your comments based in racism. And Melas, Obama's plan for SS is a joke. All it does is continue to pour our money into a program that is a failure. McCain is for privatizing SS. So am I. And every young person in America should be too. But most listen to the sky-is-falling Liberal rehetoric from people like you that privatizing it will mean failure. It has already failed. What is not said in Obama's plan is that this is only a stop-gap fix. It will not eliminate the problem. We have done this over and over for this program. It is a failure. People should have the option of in or out. If you want to be out, you should be required to set up a valid retirement savings program an IRA, and that program should be tracked on your tax statements. And you should be able to move your money around in that IRA to allow it to earn the most for you. Young people could be very aggressive. Older people would be more conservative and put their funds in less risky areas with smaller rewards. Do you honestly believe that the government led by either Republicans or Democrats can give you more return on your money than you can? You have to be kidding. Show me one government program where this has worked. You can't. There are none. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 29, 2008 1:37 PM:
" TDN Bad Boy - So much for the privatizing Social Security argument I guess, huh? If we had that much money in a crash like we had today, we'd be talking about nearly a trillion dollars in losses just today, instead of the billions we actually lost. It's interesting when b.s. actually manifests itself and shows that rhetoric doesn't necessarily really work. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:01 PM:
" Totally disagree with Cobra. If you didn't see today coming at least a couple of months ago, you don't understand economics. I took all of high-risk investment capital and moved it to low-risk funds. My money was hardly touched today. Which if this $700 billion bailout eventually goes through as some expect it will, will make my money a lot safer than people who believe SSS will be there for them. Here is what keeping the SSS in the government's hands does. How do they bail it out? They will move the retirement age age so those of you who want it when you turn 65 or 67 will have to wait until you're 69. That's how they will bail it out. Is that want? To work longer. You have to be kidding me. Who wants to work longer and then have less time to enjoy the money you rightly earned in your lifetime. If the government moves it from 65 to 69 or 70, which has been discussed in Democrat corners, a lot of people will never live to see it. Is that what you want Cobra? The government should not be in the business of fixing retirement ages. That is dumb beyone reason. "
DW wrote on Sep 29, 2008 3:08 PM:
" Duh, O.K. you haven't made any racist comments. Your pretty good at staying out of the name calling, but.....saying that Bush couldn't his butt shows me that your just a little more carefull at choosing your words. The hate is still there, you just don't go all gaah gaah, and spew it like some of your commrads on the loonie left. (oops, did I name call). You still have to admit, and maybe you did, comparing George Bush to Hitler is a little on the wacky side. But Obama does have racist friends that are very close to him. If I hung out with the Ku-Klux-Klan, and had dinners with the white supremists, you would most likely think I was not as pure as the wind driven snow. I could say I'm not a racist all day long, but if I have a stuffed monkey hanging from a noose on the trailer hitch on my truck, you would have the right to question my thinking. In the same way that Obama has racist friends, (Rev. Wright performed Obama's marriage ceremony, and Richard Ailes (sp)), this gives me pause to question people who support Obama. But TDN Bad Boy has probably already called you out on those facts more than once. I would continue to look at what is behind Obama's motives. 8 years ago he was broke, now he is a millionair. Didn't think politicians made that much. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 29, 2008 4:23 PM:
" Privatizing SS has nothing to do with what happened today. The market is so reactionary right now no one really knows what's going to happen. If they really wanted to do something productive with $700 Billion, they should have done this: split amongst every American resident over the age of 18, that comes out to something like $250,000 each, before taxes. So after taxes, that's still like $175,000 or something, right? I mean, you wanna talk about a stimulus package. I think Americans can spend that money better our government can. Anyone with me? "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 29, 2008 5:32 PM:
" I think a tweaking of the retirement age could be an option on the table. The 65 age was set long enough ago that the government only expected to pay entitlement for a few years before the person died. I know that sounds cold, but it's true. Now people are living longer, so it doesn't seem unreasonable to account for this. I would also advocate increasing the ceiling on which Social Security taxes cease to be assessed. By completely eliminating this ceiling we could save Social Security, and by simply doubling it, we could make SS solvent for years.
Genius - I know privatizing has nothing with today, but if we would have had all that money in the market, it would have been catastrophic. The bailout has more to do with ensuring Americans can get credit, I don't know what dropping cash would do. I'm thinking you don't really understand the purpose of the bailout, but I don't want to get into a name-calling thing with you. If you know, I apologize. "
Genius - I know privatizing has nothing with today, but if we would have had all that money in the market, it would have been catastrophic. The bailout has more to do with ensuring Americans can get credit, I don't know what dropping cash would do. I'm thinking you don't really understand the purpose of the bailout, but I don't want to get into a name-calling thing with you. If you know, I apologize. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 29, 2008 6:28 PM:
" My mistake earlier. The market lost 1.2 TRILLION in equity today. If Americans had their Social Security in that market, we'd be seeing widespread panic right now. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 30, 2008 9:10 AM:
" No worries, cobra. I read something recently that gave me an idea of what a trillion is. The writer wrote something like, if you wanted to go back in time a trillion minutes, civilization would not even had made it Mesopotamia a trillion minutes ago. I think that's right, but if anyone wants to check that, feel free. Regardless, not a good day on Wall Street. As I understood the bailout, it looked to me like the government wanted to inject money into the failing financial institutions by buying up most of their capital with the intent of eventually selling back the assets to said companies at a lower rate, or at least giving them first refusal. Really, I don't think there is enough space to get into the details of it, but that seemed to be one of the major components of the failed deal. My only counter to cobra's argument that it was a good that SS was not privatized is, if it were privatized to some extent, then that would mean more investment into the market from Americans in low-risk retirement accounts. So, theoretically, wouldn't that have helped avoid a lot of what's happened? If I'm wrong, explain it to me, but that makes sense to me. To use the phrase of a teacher I once had, the fit would have hit the shan. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:08 PM:
" I think you got it mostly right. I think it's liabilities the government is taking instead of assets, but I'm not wonkish enough to know exactly how the accounting works. My concern with the SS privatization, is that with the lack of regulation that we have seen cause the recent market crash, while the influx of money may have delayed for a few years this pain, eventually it would have been much worse. When banks failed that have been invested in by people's SS, now we're looking at breadline situations. I'm getting pretty bored of this though, Social Security privatization failed so spectacularly with Bush that I doubt we'll see any serious mention of it for at least a generation. What's the point of debating it? "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:28 PM:
" Cobra, by your own words, your fix would make it solvent for "years to come." To me that means that after a few years, it would require another fix, and then a few years later, another fix and so on. Face it. Social Security is fundamentally flawed. It is a Ponzi scheme, and a very bad one. Either more and more money has to keep being added or something has to be done to contain the size of the pool taking money out. And I do not believe that we should be adding more and more money to something that is flawed. That means the only way to fix it, is to raise the retirement age so people will collect a shorter period of time before dying. Wow, that's a great concept. You keep fighting for SSS. About the time you are 50, and they move the retirement age on you, you are going to see what wiser people are saying. Privatize it and give people the control over how it is invested. With that money invested instead of sitting in wasted, polluted pool, our economy would be much stronger than it is today. And regardless of what happened Monday, it is strong. The Market is up over 300 today and for those of us who didn't panic, it will bounce all the way back. People who sold low Monday are the losers. Simple as that. "
cobra kai wrote on Sep 30, 2008 12:53 PM:
" Bad Boy - You never addressed eliminating the cap. Any thoughts? You don't think the markets are volatile? While I congratulate you on your prescience with your personal holdings, I am more talking about macro-level economics. I said I was done with this and really mean it now. Have the last word. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 30, 2008 2:09 PM:
" Cobra, I would never favor any kind of tax raise and that is exactly what this would be. Eventually the government would want that money. Making people pay more into a Ponzi scheme is not the answer. Making people work longer before they get their money is not the answer. The only answer that works is to put the power to build a retirement nest in the hands of the individual. Make it be a requirement that is tracked via the IRS. That way everyone would know how much money they are saving and how much they have to look forward to. SSS is a flawed idea. It had its time but that time has passed. If I were 20 or 25 today, I would be begging to get out of this. I believe that everyone can do more with their money than government can. It's time to stop SSS for people turning 18, thus setting an end date for this program. People who invested should have the choice of staying or leaving. Stay if you want, but if I were under 30-35 and maybe 40, I would opt out as quickly as possible. You take the same amount of money and put it in an IRA working with a good money market manager and you should earn far more than you will ever get from SSS. Simple as that. We've tried SSS and it has failed. It's flawed and it's time to end it. "
TheGenius wrote on Sep 30, 2008 3:06 PM:
" I'll agree with Cobra on one thing: SS is a dead issue for the immediate future. I'm for privatization in some capacity like BadBoy laid out, though I shuddered a bit when I saw the letters "I" "R" "S" in there. This is an important issue, though, and for anyone to think that by keeping the status quo with SS is for the better, they're gonna be in for a surprise if that's what their counting on for retirement. With the number of retirees increasing, this will get worse before it gets better. When you consider that most people over the age of 70 have already gotten back what they put into SS, that points to a pretty large drain on the system. I think the next administration is going to have to address this head-on, and I believe that if they truly want to fix SS, then they will have to leave privatization on the table as a serious option. Otherwise, it will be more of the same. "
tdn423 wrote on Sep 30, 2008 7:30 PM:
" Bill. You spoke/speek the truth. Maybe your detractors will think it more serious when the current version of gestapo come to their homes to take them away. Keep the faith. Bush's rating was down in the teens today. The lowest of any president, ever! I am looking forward to the war crime trials and his murder trial for starting an unnecessary war where many of our young men and women needlessly died. Chinese Wish: "May You Live In Interesting Times." These are as interesting as my poor heart can stand. ha ha ha "
DW wrote on Oct 1, 2008 1:35 PM:
" tdn423, um incase you didn't notice your beloved democratic majority congress has by far lower ratings than Bush. Also, under Bill Clinton over 14,000 service men and women died while he was in office for 8 years, and we weren't fighting any wars. Under George Walker Bush, less than 8,000 has died. I believe one life lost is one life to many, I'm just pointing out that under Clinton nearly twice as many military men and women died than under Bush....maybe Clinton should be tried again. He was as you know, one of only two Presidents impeached by congress. Just thought you would like to be reminded of some facts and figures before you spew anymore of the loonie lefy talking points. :) "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 1:49 PM:
" Excellent post DW. I guess I would have thrown in the 58,000 Americans that Kennedy and Johnson gave death certificates to in Vietnam, a war they created after a highly mysterious wood boat supposedly attacked a U.S. warship in the Gulf of Tonkin. I agree one death is too many. However, at least these men and women joined freely. Most of the 58,000 who died in Vietnam were drafted into the war by the Democratic Party. That is the same thing that Liberal Congressman Charles Rangel of New York has already proposed for Iraq. My guess is that if elected Obama, with clear sailing from Senate majority whip Reid and House Speaker Pukelosi will easily resurrect the draft and we will again have 18-year-olds drafted into the military. President Bush promised that it wouldn't happen under him and it didn't. You have heard no such promise out of Rangel, Reid, Pukelosi or Obama. And even if they did, I wouldn't believe them if I were 18 today. Not after going through the Vietnam draft lottery that the Liberals created. "
Kalama rose wrote on Oct 1, 2008 2:24 PM:
" And the beat goes on and on and on....To DW: the figures you quote come from a bogus e-mail the was proven ficticious, you should check your facts before posting such lies. "
DW wrote on Oct 1, 2008 4:29 PM:
" O.K. Kalama rose how 'bout another one. I have heard the dems say that only poor minorities are dieing in the so called unjust war. Here is the breakdown 74% white, 11% hispanic, 9.7% black, 1.8% asian, 1.09% native American, and 2.33 other.... "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 1, 2008 6:22 PM:
" Kalama, you want to discuss lies? About Columbia saying US troops have caused 260,000 civilian deaths. The UN says the civiilian death total is between 70,000 and 90,000 with less than 8,000 at the hands of US toops, and 95 percent of those came in the first week when there was military resistance. So we the Liberals can lie too. Or was their reason for going to war in Vietnam and killing 58,000 Americans just? Funny how you Liberals like to spin your lies. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 2, 2008 8:37 AM:
" Bad Boy - Really? Vietnam? The American political landscape was so different in the 60's I think it is kind of pointless to get into party affiliations over it. Republicans were responsible for 700,000 dead American soldiers under Lincoln! "
Kalama rose wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:23 AM:
" BB: My comment to DW was merely to point out that it was erroneous. This is the last time I will waste my time responding to your laughable, inflammatory comments. You have incorrectly labeled me a liberal. I will listen to any rational discussion that does not resort to name calling or mud flinging. Heck, I even voted for Reagan in 1980. If I thought the Republicans could offer us a way out of the current mess I would consider voting that way again. Sorry to say, McCain/Palin in office is just to scary to think about. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 2, 2008 9:24 AM:
" The problem with your analogy cobra is that most Americans would agree that ending slavery was a just cause. There was nothing but deceit about Vietnam. Plus the fact that your Liberal Democratic Party of Kennedy and Johnson created a draft that wiped out a generation-plus of young Americans. And please don't forget that two Liberal Hawk Senators from the state of Washington -- Magnuson and Jackson -- were major proponents of the Vietnam War. And now we have a Liberal congressman from New York in Charles Rangel who has broached the idea of bringing back the draft. Once again, none of that was done by Republicans. So when it comes to killing Americans, the Liberal Democrats can take their blame. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 2, 2008 4:42 PM:
" Bad Boy - The Civil Rights Act caused a schism in the Democratic Party converting Southern Democrats, or Dixiecrats, into Republicans. This idea that party affiliation is static is just ludicrous. Think how much history has occurred in the 40 years since Vietnam. The Iranian revolution, Watergate, Ronald Reagan, the Clinton era, I mean really, blaming parties for American deaths is just stupid. Though I think we can both agree that the Whig Party were a danger to America and thank God they are no more. I mean come on, you're not serious with this are you? "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 3, 2008 11:44 AM:
" Well I guess the author of this ignorant article, and I do say ignornant because nothing can or ever will compare to Hitler, doesn't buy your time has changed argument. And as long as Liberals like Charles Rangel talk about reinstating the draft, I'm very serious. Time has changed but the reason the Liberals got the Gulf of Tonkin resolution passed, leading to 58,000 deaths in Vietnam remains. So when the Liberals want to exaggerate about the death and casualty totals in Iraq, I will bring it up every time. Tell me you don't see progress in the Middle East because of our presence. Where is Syria today? When was the last time you heard about Hezbollah? You can argue about our reasons for going all you want. You can't deny that our presence has been positive. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 3, 2008 2:15 PM:
" Are you serious about Hezbollah? They basically run Lebanon, fought a war with Israel in 2006, and Iranian support of Hezbollah has increased because of our conflict in Iraq. I'll agree with you that we don't hear enough about it, but it isn't because the situation has improved, if anything the media doesn't want to scare the hell out of us. It's the same reason that Hamas won the election in Gaza last year. "
TheGenius wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:03 PM:
" One more and we hit 263. Come on Cowlita County, don't let me down!!! YES WE CAN!!! "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 3, 2008 3:39 PM:
" Are you joking about Hezbollah, cobra. Israel slapped them silly and drove them north toward the Syrian border. In fact, most went inside Syria for protection. The fact that the Syrian Army is now back inside its borders is proof that Hezbollah no longer has the free rein it did inside Lebanon. And when did the Syrian Army give up its territory in Lebanon? When the U.S. military took up residence in Iraq. Why can't you just admit that? Israel and Syria have finally held third-party talks for the first time ever. There is progress and it is solely because the of the U.S. military presence. And you can bet that the tyrant in Iran will jump in and disrupt it all when Obama sides with him and surrenders Iraq. Once that happens, Israel will have no choice. The Iranian tyrant has already promised to wipe Israel off the map. Do you think he was kidding? Within a year after Obama surrenders Iraq the Middle East will be in full blown war and we will be right back in it without the stronghold we have now. Thanks Obama Liberals, you really are about world peace. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 3, 2008 7:18 PM:
" Ahmadinejad does not control the security apparatus in Iran. This is a fundamental misunderstanding from many on the right. I don't deny that Israel "won" the war, but as a pacifist, I think any violence is in and of itself a tragedy. So yes, American intervention in Iraq helped destabilize the region which helped lead to the Hezbollah incursion in Gaza. I'm not naive enough to believe that this was the only reason, there are several factors that led to that violence, but to continue to pretend that American presence in Iraq is HELPING stabilize the Middle East comes from the same crowd that believes Ahmadinejad could wipe Israel off the map even if he really wanted to. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 3, 2008 10:41 PM:
" Oh Cobra do you really take yourself seriously? The tyrant doesn't control Iran's power? The Middle East is destabilized and US presence helped Hezbollah go into Gaza. Are you on drugs? First of all, the tryant has said the Holacaust didn't happen. I guess you believe that too. He will try to attack Israel, you can bet on that one. As for Hezbollah their build up began during years of Syrian control of Lebanon. Israel could not go after them because of Syria's military build up. As soon as the US entered the picture in Iraq, Syria had to crawl back inside its borders. That allowed Israel to go after Hezbollah and drive it from its borders north to the Syrian border. Your denial to believe anything else is amazing. And believe it. You will eat your words about peace in that region if you and people like you get your wish and Obama surrenders in Iraq. The bloodshed that will happen will make the bloodshed that has happened in the past six years look like a needle prick. Israel has been warned, and they are not going to let Syria and the tyrant in Iran go after them. I don't blame Israel one bit. They have never vowed to wipe anyone in the region off the map. Cobra I wish your world was the real world. I wish we could all just say that tyrants with evil intentions will behave nicely. Wouldn't that be special? "
DW wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:21 AM:
" O.K. Cobra, as a pacifist, how do you solve the problems of the world without backing it up with any real strength. As a pacifist, what would you do if someone attacked you or your family. Say a mugger, or a robber, or a rapist. Unfortunately, these problems exist. And as long as there are bad guys out there, wether it is in the middle east or in the middle of your neighborhood, peace though strenghth is the only thing that has ever be proven to work. Iraq is coming around and a victory is close at hand, if we don't surrender first. We should do exactly in Afganistan that we have done in Iraq. If a troop surge is what is needed, then do it. And let these two bit dictatorships know that we will not hesitate to act if provocated. I like the saying, "Strenghth Through Superior Fire Power" If we let our guard down with the next President, it won't a banking crisis that you'd be worried about, it will be massive attacks on our homeland that we will need to worry about. McCain has that experience, and I would trust him to protect this country. "
biasmedia wrote on Oct 4, 2008 11:29 AM:
" Hitler was a a socialist obama also have socialist beliefs so wouldn't that make obama more like Hitler "
dotgov wrote on Oct 5, 2008 7:04 AM:
" Are you better off 8 years later?
Has the Bush Administration made our lives better, our elderly healthier, or international reputation higher. Possibly there is a higher standard than the Bush one. I will vote for anyone that can meet the challenge. Frankly some of the political cartoonist could do a better job than the current Administration. "
Has the Bush Administration made our lives better, our elderly healthier, or international reputation higher. Possibly there is a higher standard than the Bush one. I will vote for anyone that can meet the challenge. Frankly some of the political cartoonist could do a better job than the current Administration. "
Boonies wrote on Oct 5, 2008 8:07 AM:
" Go outside now and hold a sign up that says, We Demand Peace" and then hold up another one that says, We Demand an Honest Election. March down Commerce with these signs. Stop driving your car one day a month. Demand alternative solutions. The military draft is coming. "
JD Hogg wrote on Oct 6, 2008 11:23 AM:
" I consider myself Middle-Class, and since Bush came into office, my family's total yearly income has nearly doubled. I have recieved several Tax Rebate checks from Bush, which have helped us pay off bills. Yes, my Health Insurance costs have gone up, and the benefits have gone down, but overall I consider myself much better off than when Clinton was President. So, I don't know where all the Liberal kooks get off by saying the world is ending...I just havent seen it. I am worried about more Socialists like Obama getting into power however....their taxes are just too much. Not to mention they don't trust the people and want to ban every freedom the founding fathers always intended to be permanent. "
kitten wrote on Oct 6, 2008 8:26 PM:
" So why do the polititions bother with campaign funds and debates? So many of you sheeple will just check the "R" or "D" box that it seems like they wouldn't waste the time and money. No wonder this country is going down. Nobody thinks anymore. It is truly disgusting! I've said it before and I will say it again. Americans deserve what's about to come down on them. Don't bother telling me to leave if I don't like it. Some of us would rather work towards change once the masses get a wake-up call. I do believe in our constitution, unfortunately the leaders you sheeple keep voting for don't! "
Ex-Longview wrote on Oct 7, 2008 6:58 AM:
" Neatly dividing your world into groups of liberals and conservatives immediately negates whatever point you attempt to make and alienates you from reality.
I don't know Bill Kasch, rarely visit The LDN site, nor have I ever read his comments before. However, I agree with most of what he's saying and am sure that most of my colleagues would too.
Longview is a relatively sheltered enclave with limited diversity and lower educated populace. The world view expressed by many of these comments illustrate that, in stereotypical fashion, in much the same manner as Sarah Palin explaining foreign policy. Joe "Six Pack" is a euphemism for ignorance. Get it?
What disturbs me most are comments stating that Liberals are ruining this country. That indicates the essence of ignorance that IS ruining our country.
Repairing the damage to our country is severely handicapped by citizens (and candidates) who lack critical thinking skills and believe, without questioning, the facts behind bumper sticker politics and viral internet propaganda.
Living and working within walking distance of a major university has afforded me the privilege to know Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Iranians, Somalians, Yemenis, and Pakistanis who've come here to earn advanced degrees. You can learn more about the world, and our reputation in it, by actually talking to foreigners than by listening to the likes of a Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.
There is a world outside of Longview that is very much unlike the world that
some here imagine. "
I don't know Bill Kasch, rarely visit The LDN site, nor have I ever read his comments before. However, I agree with most of what he's saying and am sure that most of my colleagues would too.
Longview is a relatively sheltered enclave with limited diversity and lower educated populace. The world view expressed by many of these comments illustrate that, in stereotypical fashion, in much the same manner as Sarah Palin explaining foreign policy. Joe "Six Pack" is a euphemism for ignorance. Get it?
What disturbs me most are comments stating that Liberals are ruining this country. That indicates the essence of ignorance that IS ruining our country.
Repairing the damage to our country is severely handicapped by citizens (and candidates) who lack critical thinking skills and believe, without questioning, the facts behind bumper sticker politics and viral internet propaganda.
Living and working within walking distance of a major university has afforded me the privilege to know Kuwaitis, Iraqis, Iranians, Somalians, Yemenis, and Pakistanis who've come here to earn advanced degrees. You can learn more about the world, and our reputation in it, by actually talking to foreigners than by listening to the likes of a Rush Limbaugh or Bill O'Reilly.
There is a world outside of Longview that is very much unlike the world that
some here imagine. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 7, 2008 8:49 AM:
" Ex-Longview, I am a conservative Republican and I don't listen or watch either Limbaugh or 0'Reilly. My guess is that you do, though. You may think our nation is damaged but I don't. I think our nation is stronger today than it was when Little Slick Willie and his Liberals left the White House in 2000. Liberals are ruining this country. In order to improve our strength, we need a man who has dedicated his life to serving our country, not a liberal who has been shaped by a racist, a liberal who will support Radical Muslims at the expense of one of our most important allies, Israel, a liberal who will surrender the gains in Iraq, a tax and waste liberal whose spending programs will be a failure, a liberal without any executive exprience, a liberal with extremely questionalbe chartacter, a liberal who does not believe in where America has come from or where it should go. And finally we do not need a liberal president who believes entirely in socialism. We are not a socialist country. We are a country build on the strength of its freedoms and its individuality. Turning America into a socialist state goes against the fiber that this country is made of. So keep your knee-jerk bleeding-heart Liberalism out of Longview. You left and we don't need you back. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:04 AM:
" Bad Boy - Kudos on illustrating Ex-Longview's point. A satirist couldn't have done it better. I felt Ex-Longview's post was a little supercilious, but you definitely helped prove it a bit. "
TheGenius wrote on Oct 7, 2008 10:10 AM:
" Ex-Longview is an interesting fellow. I suspect we could chat up this subject for hours on end, and probably not agree on much. Might be fun, though. Regardless, Bush-as-Hitler is such an inaccurate comparison, it's almost comical, except for the fact that so many people love to use it. I've always thought it funny that so many on the left call Bush "Hitler," but when confronted with tyrants who are actually out of the Hitler mold, they profess ignorance or make excuses as to why it is not a good idea to confront those leaders, outside of sitting down and having a cup of tea at a neutral site. Is he right about Longview lacking in a highly educated populance? Yes, but that's like saying the sun rises in the East and sets in the West. In other news, the sky is blue and women give birth. For those of us that do have education beyond local high schools and choose to make our home (or part-time home, in my case) in Longview, dealing with ignorant people is par for the course. Guess what? There are ignorant people in New York and LA and London and Paris and Tokyo and every other place on the globe. So you live near a college campus, thereby making you the smartest guy on the blog? I know that's not what you're saying, but I don't think it's too far off either. "
Kalama rose wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:22 AM:
" How refreshing to hear an outside voice and perspective. Are the usual verbose contributors feeling threatened by someone who can rationally and intelligently discuss issues without inflammatory labeling and name calling? I agree that ignorance is the enemy. Both sides stretch the truth and everyone owes it to themselves to find out who the biggest liars are in this campaign. Go to www.factcheck.org for unbiased analysis of the mudslinging. What I feel is most unfortunate is that we are only given the choice of voting for two candidates and are reduced to choosing the "lesser of two evils." "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 7, 2008 11:27 AM:
" And Cobra you prove my point exactly. Liberals like you without any backbone or moral character are a big problem for this country. You don't believe the tryrant in Iran is a threat to world peace. I guess if you would have lived in Europe in 1935, you would not have felt that Hitler was threat either. And all that did was kill 7 million Jews. I guess that doesn't bother people like you. Well it bothers me greatly that America could be in the hands of somebody who thinks the tyrant in Iran can be appeased. The only thing that man will understand is the strong hand of a strong country. Turning this country over to Obama is exactly what he's betting on. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 7, 2008 12:05 PM:
" TDN Bad Boy - The man who controls the military in Iran is the Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei. He is the Commander-in-Chief and has ultimate say in all matters relative to Iran. The President of Iran is basically the top minister, and runs Iran's "Legislature." Think of him as Pelosi and Khamenei as Bush (though this isn't really that accurate, Khamenei has more power than Bush). This is available on wikipedia or nearly any reference page about Iran's government. I don't know how you can tell I don't have moral character or backbone based on the fact that I am informed about the power structure in Iran and you aren't, but don't worry about it. No need to apologize. "
JD Hogg wrote on Oct 7, 2008 9:06 PM:
" 9 out of 10 terrorists support Obama for President. As does Hugo Chavez, The Castro brothers, Iran, Russia, Hamas and Hezbollah. Sounds pretty scary to me. Democrats caused the current economic crisis by forcing banks to give loans to people who couldnt afford to pay them back. Don't forget a Democrat also called our troops Nazi's for turning the heat up and down in Guatanomo...you know, because thats just the kind of thing the Nazi's did. The left comes out with propoganda movies like Farenheit 911 and now Religulous....nothing more than films designed to brainwash people into voting Democrat and turn against Christians. Hmmmmm, when was the last time that a political party tried doing this? Oh yeah, it was in 1933......Germany. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 8, 2008 8:24 AM:
" Cobra, your knowledge of that area of the world is extremely minimal. Have you ever been in the Middle East? Do you have ties to the Middle East? The answer to both of those about me is YES. Do not think for a minute that that tyrant is not is not in control in Iran. If that is the case then you know more than either Obama or McCain. Neither mentioned the scenario you state in last night's meeting. Both acknowledged that the tyrant is indeed the man to fear. His threats agains Israel are real whether you think so or not. That tyrant is not the same as Nancy Pelosi. Pelosi does not go to the UN. Pelosi does not make decisions about military actions against other countries. If the tyrant wants war, if the tyrant wants to push Israel, if that tyrant wants to interfere in Iraq, then you had better believe that Iran will act accordingly. To do, would be a major misconception of that part of the world. And wow, you base your knowledge on Wikipedia. That's amazing. That's like basing your knowledge on things people say in here. Wikipedia is nothing more than a glorified blog. If you believe them, then you must also believe that Iran and Iraq have the same population. Afterall that was stated as fact in here. I'll tell you what you had better hope that tyrant likes pacifists because that is your only prayer about preventing armed aggression involving Iran. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:14 AM:
" TDN Bad Boy - I can't do the research for you. Look in an encyclopedia for Pete's sake. Iran is an Islamic theocracy. As such, the head of their religious power structure holds the power. The President has some influence, but the Supreme Leader holds final say. I only used Pelosi to try and dumb it down for you. My bad. I commend you on your travels to the Middle East. You are still wrong on the Iranian power structure. Biden mentioned it in the Vice-Presidential debate if that somehow legitimizes it in your mind. Here's another link if you don't want to take wikipedia's word for it. http://www.iranchamber.com/government/articles/structure_of_power.php "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:25 AM:
" Cobra, do you believe all the propoganda you see on the Internet? You need to join reality. Ever since the Shaw was deposed, Iran's leaders from the religious to the military have been pointing at Israel. Saddam was a major thorn in their side but now that. Iran is Sunni Muslim. The majority in control in Iraq is Sunni Muslim. Without U.S. military presence, Iran will be free to influence and interfere in Iraq. They will have a free path to build up the radical Muslim base in Iraq with the clear intent of helping Syria pursue it's military goal of taking on Israel. You can deny that scenario all you want but if you want to live in reality, you need to have traveled to that region, have relatives in that region and understand the history of that region. You do not have that understanding. So how about you enlighten yourself looking at this problem from the Israeli standpoint. You can kiss the radical Muslims all you want, I want nothing to do with them. "
slowburn wrote on Oct 8, 2008 10:52 AM:
" Iran is NOT Sunni. And Cobra's right about the leadership structure, a fact that you failed to acknowledge TDNBB. You might want to try fessing up to your own mistakes. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:10 AM:
" 90% of Iran is Shia. That is why the Shia majority in Iran hated the Sunni leadership in Iraq and vice versa. If you have relatives in the region how can you be so grossly ignorant of basic demographics? You could look up the Shia-Sunni information in an almanac. Come on, man, this is getting bloody. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 8, 2008 11:29 AM:
" My bad. I crossed myself up. The controlling religious sect in Iran is Shiite. The majority party in Iraq is now Shiite. Saddam was a Sunni, which is why Iran was unable to exert influence with the radical Muslims threatening Israel. But now that the Shiites have control in Iraq, no U.S. military presence opens the door for Iran to support the radical Muslim movents against Israel in any fashion they want. To not believe that will happen is the same course the world took with Hitler. And if you don't believe the tyrant in Iran has the control of the religious leaders in Iran, you are badly mistaken. He is in total control and they know they cannot nor will they act against him. Believe otherwise if you want. When Israel has to act, I know which side America will support. That tyrant is a threat to world peace and to Israel's existence. Pacificism won't be the answer for that tyrant. You can deny this all you. Let's see what the future will show. I know what Israel is preparing for. You wouldn't be very popular there. "
Kalama rose wrote on Oct 8, 2008 9:44 PM:
" Hmmm...does one of the major contributors to this site advocate the theories extolled by the American Congress for Truth??? That would explain many of the postings. Just a thought. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 9, 2008 12:26 PM:
" Hmmm, Kalama Rose if you are referring to me, you couldn't be more wrong. I guess if you have never been outside of Cowlitz County then you can't believe that people form their own opinions that differ from yours. I have traveled extensively throughout Israel and four other Middle East countries on more than one occasion. In addition to family that lives there, I know people from the five countries I have visited. I understand the fear that they live with on a constant basis. Simply going to the market in some places can be a very dangerous experience. So my views are all my own from what my eyes have seen and ears have heard. I urge you to get outside of Cowlitz County and view the world. You will learn how people in other countries value the support and strength that America shows. Anyone who believes all the Liberal nonsense about foreign negative feelings toward America simply has to go to Israel to understand just how big the lies are that are being told. Kalama Rose I wish you well with your radical Muslim friends. You had better learn which way to face while praying to Mecca. Or since you are a woman, you'd better learn to walk several steps behind your man, and never talk to other men. In their world you don't even rate the respect of a dog. "
cobra kai wrote on Oct 9, 2008 1:53 PM:
" Do you ever talk to Palestinians while in Israel? I predict they might have a slightly different take than Israelis. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:42 AM:
" Cobra, since I have been to Gaza, Jerusalem, and Beirut, I would say I have talked to Palestinians. I do think that if there was no interfence the Palestinians one day might agree to peace. However, my belief is that there will never be peace in that region because the radical Muslims don't want it. Simple as that. The radical Muslims are and will always be very male dominated. They have a strong grip on their power and the only way they are going to give it up is in a fight. That tyrant in Iran is part of that. And for you to think he's not the central shaker of what will happen is total ignorance of that region. His power base in Iran includes all the high religious leaders and the military leaders. He was hand picked to come to power and those groups are in total support. They are one and for you not to think that is a huge mistake. That said, do not look for Iran to attack Israel openly. As stupid as that guy is, he knows how the U.S. will react. People in the Middle East understand the U.S. role there. What he will do is fund the groups outside of Iran. And having a clear path through Iraq will make it that much easier. The U.S. must stay. You can say differently if you want but you don't have any background to make those statements. "
DW wrote on Oct 10, 2008 11:18 AM:
" I got the feeling that Ex-Longview was looking down his/her nose while trying to make a point about us "Joe six packs". Can you say elitist. Let me tell the elitist something....It's the "Joe six packs" of this country that for the most part make it work. I have a few questions for Ex-Longview. What did you produce in the last week? Did you stock a grocery store shelf? Did you put a muffler on a car, or put air in the tires and give someone a tune-up? Did you paint a house? Did you serve customers at a restaurant? Did you pilot a jet plane full of passengers? Did you take a cargo ship over a dangerous river bar as a bar pilot? Did you unload/load said ship as longshore men do? Did make, produce or provide any type of service for someone else and get paid for it? Or do you spend your time talking with foreigners, getting their education here, who think we are the big bullies of the world? I don't really expect an answer, but it would be curious to know how the elitist of the world better our society. "
fireguy1952 wrote on Oct 10, 2008 12:53 PM:
" It is with both a sadness and sense of futility that I read the comments following Bill Kasch's well reasoned and presented article. Any analogy whatsoever that presents George W. Bush as something other than the savior of the US is met with hysteria and hatred worthy of the best efforts of historic hate mongers like Joe McCarthy. The left is almost as bad in that they seem to deify their anointed. Whatever happened to a dispassionate look at what happened and when? Are the only ones we care to listen to anymore the spin doctors? In what way are we different than the AK47 toting radicals half a world away? They too see this as all black and white with bullets as the only valid answer. How are we different when we invade on false pretenses? We've given a pass to those who should have been actively commanding a search for Bin Laden concentrating our resources to Iran for obscene amounts of profit and economy drain. And in the meantime we've let the greedy and deal makers skip out with our future. Why haven't we held them accountable? We watch the bailout and even as it is unfolding the recipients are ordering more champagne and sending us the bill. Just because they think they are entitled to our future doesn't mean they are. Cut the cords of their golden parachutes, confiscate their ill gotten gains and imprison them. Skip the sideshow. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Oct 10, 2008 4:09 PM:
" Fireguy, I am sick and tired of Liberal commies like Kasch and others comparing anyone with Hitler or the Nazis. Do you know or understand what Jews think about that? How can anyone compare anything about the U.S. to someone who killed 7 million people and tried to develop his superior race? I don't care if you don't think we are different than the radicals carry AK47s. But to agree with anyone who says our president or our country is like Hitler's is assinine. And by the way, the action you propose is something straight out of the Hitler era. So maybe it people like you who believe that people don't get a fair trial and should just be imprisoned who are more like Hitler than those of who believe in the values of America and her strengths. "
Ex-Longview wrote on Oct 10, 2008 8:27 PM:
" I'd like to answer DW, who fairly represents the point I was making: not so much about ignorance as lack of understanding. You, and a few others, believe what you want in spite of the evidence before you. Several of you who've bashed this article (and my comment) incriminated yourselves, without my writing another word. (Sorry, I had a sixty hour week at the plant.)
Several of the contributors on this blog appear to be educated and intelligent people. They understand what's really going on around the world and question the poor decisions made by the Bush Administration.
DW: I've returned to school 4 times and worked my way through, (as recently as last year), acquiring the skills necessary to remain valuable and relevant in the job market. I've never been unemployed, have extensive experience in several industries, labor and management, including railroad transportation. I've never had a handout, with the exception of a scholarship. So, I forgive you for not understanding me.
Calling me (and others) elitist only makes you appear inferior. You need to stop that!
TDN Bad Boy: You do yourself and your community no favors by parking yourself in front of the computer and hurling drive-by insults on this blog. My suggestion to you is that you become part of the solution and not part of the problem. Don't get angry, get educated. "
Several of the contributors on this blog appear to be educated and intelligent people. They understand what's really going on around the world and question the poor decisions made by the Bush Administration.
DW: I've returned to school 4 times and worked my way through, (as recently as last year), acquiring the skills necessary to remain valuable and relevant in the job market. I've never been unemployed, have extensive experience in several industries, labor and management, including railroad transportation. I've never had a handout, with the exception of a scholarship. So, I forgive you for not understanding me.
Calling me (and others) elitist only makes you appear inferior. You need to stop that!
TDN Bad Boy: You do yourself and your community no favors by parking yourself in front of the computer and hurling drive-by insults on this blog. My suggestion to you is that you become part of the solution and not part of the problem. Don't get angry, get educated. "
longviewtransplant wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:01 PM:
" yuck. this is just blatant democratic bull being pushed down our throat. it says that if you're a republican, you're wrong, you're a hitler lover and you're the reason for the economy and every other wrong thing in this nation. let's just look at who has controlled the congress the past four years, eh? ridiculous. why print something that allows one point of view to SO BLATANTLY TRASH THE OTHER??? nobody's right and nobody's wrong. can't we just move forward and work with bi-partisan cordiality to solve problems, instead of create them? i say get rid of political stancing and actually get something DONE for once!!! boo for bill. "
Ex-Longview wrote on Oct 10, 2008 9:18 PM:
" TDN: You claim to have traveled in the Middle East but, apparently, you didn't travel far enough.
I suggest that you read the book "Three Cups of Tea". It's about a man who fulfills an incredible promise to the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, before and after 9/11.
You like labeling things. I'd like to know what you'd label the person who is the subject of that book.
Just because you sit in an oven doesn't make you a muffin. "
I suggest that you read the book "Three Cups of Tea". It's about a man who fulfills an incredible promise to the people of Pakistan and Afghanistan, before and after 9/11.
You like labeling things. I'd like to know what you'd label the person who is the subject of that book.
Just because you sit in an oven doesn't make you a muffin. "
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