Gov. Palin says daughter is pregnant
Tuesday, September 2, 2008 5:28 AM PDT
By Liz Sidoti
The Associated Press
Printable version
E-mail this articleST. PAUL, Minnesota — John McCain's running mate Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.
A statement released by the campaign said that Bristol Palin will keep her baby and marry the child's father. Bristol Palin's baby is due in late December.
"Our beautiful daughter Bristol came to us with news that as parents we knew would make her grow up faster than we had ever planned. We're proud of Bristol's decision to have her baby and even prouder to become grandparents," Sarah and Todd Palin said in the brief statement.
The disclosure of the pregnancy came on the opening day of the Republican National Convention, scaled back because of Hurricane Gustav, and three days after McCain named Palin as his running mate. Other news was likely to overshadow the disclosure.
"Bristol and the young man she will marry are going to realize very quickly the difficulties of raising a child, which is why they will have the love and support of our entire family," they added. The father was identified in the statement as Levi, but the campaign said it was not disclosing his last name or age.
Sarah Palin's fifth child, a son named Trig, was born in April with Down syndrome. Internet bloggers have been suggesting that the child was actually born to Bristol Palin but that her mother, the 44-year-old Alaska governor, claimed to be the mother.
Palin spokesman Bill McAllister emphatically denied those rumors, and McCain adviser Mark Salter said the campaign announced the daughter's pregnancy to rebut them.
"Senator McCain's view is this is a private family matter. As parents, (the Palins) love their daughter unconditionally and are going to support their daughter," said McCain spokesman Steve Schmidt.
"Life happens," he said.
"An American family," added Salter.
The advisers said Palin told them about the pregnancy during lengthy discussions about her background. At several points during the discussions, McCain's team warned Palin that the scrutiny into her private life would be intense and that there was nothing she could do to prepare for it.
Prominent religious conservatives, many of whom have been lukewarm toward McCain's candidacy, predicted that Palin's daughter's pregnancy would not diminish conservative Christian enthusiasm over the vice presidential hopeful.
"I think it's a very private matter," said Roberta Combs, president of the Christian Coalition of America. "It's a matter that should stay in the family and they have to work through it together. My prayers go out to them."
Added Combs: "We're excited about the governor and think she's going to do well."
Mathew Staver, dean of Liberty University School of Law, said: "We're all sinners."
"We all make mistakes. Certainly, the ideal is not to get pregnant out of wedlock. But she made the right decision after her mistake," he said.
Staver also criticized anyone who would seek to make it a negative campaign issue: "It's absolutely shameful to put her child in the spotlight. She's not running for office. When someone can't face issues, they try to tear down a family."
justareader wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:24 AM:
" It always amazes me that the religious right will say "It's a family matter", when a child will be born to unwed folk but scream up a storm when abortion is chosen. Isn't that a family matter also?
When there are NO more children in foster care or awaiting adoption, only then will I become pro-life, until then I will remain pro-choice and in favor of privacy for ALL. "
When there are NO more children in foster care or awaiting adoption, only then will I become pro-life, until then I will remain pro-choice and in favor of privacy for ALL. "
Lance Johnson wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:26 AM:
" Who cares? Demoncrat HERO John Edwards has a lovechild that he wont even claim. That is lower than low. Typical Demoncrat smear job. Attacking peoples underage children. Relax and smoke some pot Demos! "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:35 AM:
" What is a private matter to people so religious they would deny the freedom of choice to all woman? Palin is unqualified to be President or Vice President or Governor of Alaska and she's not much of a parent either, she has other priorities I guess. Prehaps if she had fewer children, she could have concerntrated on the ones she had. "
longviewrez wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:45 AM:
" Too bad politicians can't focus on the issues. Obama's team must be digging deep and slinging faster on this one. "
Gondolapete wrote on Sep 1, 2008 11:57 AM:
" I see TDN failed to print my first comment..must have been because it included the word "abortion" and used it in a negative context. Anyway, this has nothing what so ever to do with her ability to lead, which seems to scare the left, since they forget its McCain running against their candidate. Fear not dems, your candidate has a solid history of leadership, so dont let some unknown woman worry you. Obama has accomplished so much, he can coast in on any one of those feats. "
justareader wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:01 PM:
" Thank you Daily News for this forum. We all have picked out different parts to comment on and it's great! I do have to agree that more time should have been taken at home (But where is daddys' responsibiliy in all this) and that she, Palin, is not the best choice that could have been made. I would not fault him finding a female running mate (I'm one) but I could have better respected the choice of one who was better qualified. "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:08 PM:
" Focus on the issues? Like lieing about Obama being a muslim? Like Reverend Wright? Like Resco? Like Paris Hilton and Britney Spears? You republicans are the masters at changing the subject, especially after your repeated failures i.e. Katrina, Iraq, ignoring the constitution. This Palin is a failure as a parent yet sets herself up as some moral authority, that's an issue if you ask me. That's the republicans problem, they talk a great game, but in reality their moral authority is zero, unless greed, fear and hate are now moral. "
DUH wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:26 PM:
" Way to keep yourself informed there Lance Johnstoned. No one ever claimed Edwards was a hero. He said he wanted blood tests to prove whether or not he was the father of the child. The woman won't agree to it. Get your facts straight. And Obama has said... "This is a private matter and it should be left alone". A typical Republican Lance... You live to put words in the mouths of others. With people like you campaigning for Republicans, Democrats can't lose. Your words do nothing to help your party. "
Tired of thinking of user names wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:29 PM:
" tap, tap, tap. That sound is yet another nail in the Mcain's political coffin. "
Atrucker wrote on Sep 1, 2008 12:32 PM:
" Sarah Palin said Monday that her 17-year-old unmarried daughter is five months pregnant, an announcement campaign aides said was aimed at rebutting Internet rumors that Palin's youngest son, born in April, was actually her daughter's.
Where do you get Obama's team out of this ? Or any party for that matter.
Or pro choice or life , none ya D!@#$ business really . But here you are shootin off your traps . I would be more concerned as to if this person can run the country if the need arises.
There is no question in my mind that Mr. Biden can do that. "
Where do you get Obama's team out of this ? Or any party for that matter.
Or pro choice or life , none ya D!@#$ business really . But here you are shootin off your traps . I would be more concerned as to if this person can run the country if the need arises.
There is no question in my mind that Mr. Biden can do that. "
local yokel wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:00 PM:
" 1) I am a pro-choice Democrat; 2) I believe in vetting the candidate; 3) i think Gov. Palin is less than qualified for the job she's applied for. However, degrading Gov. Palin as less than a good mom is really uninformed and harmful to our society. Having your teenage daughter come to you and tell you she is unwed and pregnant is always going to be hard on any mom - be she pro-life or pro-choice. I believe in education, and extensive resource availability for all. The fact that many pro-lifers want less education and less resources is a source of conflict for us, but instead of attacks, we need to ensure resource availability. I don't see Gov. Palin as a bad mom; I see her as a woman whose views I may disagree with extensively, but also one whose life is affected by the same societal currents as mine or anyone elses. Shame on any Dem who tries to use this as a platform. There are plenty of others to proudly stand on. "
DW wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:06 PM:
" Again we see the lefty hate mongers running their verbage again. With so much hate for anything that is conservative, how do you guys get through the day. Sarah Palin will make a fine VP...Especially since she has more exectutive experience than McCain, Obama, and Biden combined. And from what I am finding out, won't put up with any b.s. either. "
DW wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:12 PM:
" And Cheney, how is it the republicans falt for a hurricane like Katrina. I'm pretty sure if you build a city on the coast that is actually below sea level, there will be problems. And on Iraq, incase you hadn't noticed, things are going much better and our troops are winning. Or would you just like to see the US loose. And I would like an example of ignoring the constitution. "
Diesel wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:40 PM:
" cheney119 I guess that your "moral authority" would be Bill Clinton. Such an upright symbol of good morals. As a DEm he disgusted me with his upright morals. "
racingrocks wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:41 PM:
" So Cheney, Are you telling me that you know absolutely where your child is at evry second and could absolutely keep them from being in trouble? Not unless you've cloned yourelf a few times.If you think you can,you are fooling yourself.Did your parents know where you were every second or everyday?...no....they only knew where you "said" you were. "
jackie wrote on Sep 1, 2008 1:51 PM:
" The only thing about this that is funny is that the Right Wing Neo Conservative party is soooooo good about family and family values and no premarital sex. What a hypocrite Palin is for putting herself up as a example for everyone when she wasn't able to brain wash her own daughter into being the perfect person that she herself is. If Palin had been the good mother, she would have seen to it that her daughter knew about contraceptives. I feel sorry for the young woman who now has to deal with all this attention. I'm sorry for this young woman that her mother was so MORAL than she couldn't teach her daughter how to not get pregnant. No this hasn't changed my opinion. I wont vote for McBush/Palin. The Republican hypocrites already are in the White House with VP Cheney' gay daughter. Notice that Cheney isn't out there bashing all gays like most of the Righteous Republican. I used to be a Republican, but thanks to the likes of Bush/Cheney and McCain/Palin I no long am willing to call myself a Republican. "
citizen wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:05 PM:
" i have high praises for Palin stepping up and mentioning this before the liberals take it and bake it royally in the press. she is a woman of integrity.
she has more qualifications than obama. at least she has taken executive charge of a state. obama sits in the chambers if he ever attends and does nothing.
and yes...tdn certainly selects their choices of what comments to post and not...freedom of speech is not declared at tdn. it has to fit their liking before they post it. been the same way forever. "
she has more qualifications than obama. at least she has taken executive charge of a state. obama sits in the chambers if he ever attends and does nothing.
and yes...tdn certainly selects their choices of what comments to post and not...freedom of speech is not declared at tdn. it has to fit their liking before they post it. been the same way forever. "
jackie wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:15 PM:
" Just imagine the howling the Republicans would be making if Obama's or Biden's daughters were pregnant teenagers. Obama says has told all of his supporters to back off and not make any any fuss over this sad situation. I can't imagine the Republicans being that honerable. "
1209 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:28 PM:
" Anyone still not convinced that Palin is a gift for Obama? As far as immorality goes, don't forget that McCain has admitted to cheating on his first wife. Barack's always a great name for a baby. Barack Palin sounds really good to me. "
roudy russ wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:35 PM:
" Thats right, this is no ones business but Pres. Clinton's girl friend was? Sounds like typical Republican double standards to me. "
1209 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:50 PM:
" Maybe, now, we can have a serious discussion about family values.... "
mclovin it wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:56 PM:
" All's I can really say is what was Sen. McCain thinking when he selected Gov. Palin? He is already showing signs of senility and has pretty much just gave the Democrats a sure victory in the election. No way, no how is Gov. Palin qualified to be president if/when McCain kicks the bucket. I work in Alaska and I can't see Gov. Palin even being a Governor of a lower 48 State let alone a Vice President. She is pretty much a flunky of big business in Alaska (oil companies) and was put in power because of their monies. God help us if she ever becomes a leader of our country. "
mary wrote on Sep 1, 2008 2:59 PM:
" After reading all the blogs I have made up my mind.Mchain/Palin has my vote and yes iam Dem not for long. "
grrrowl wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:41 PM:
" Apparently Sarah Palins first child was born 8 months after her and her husband eloped... And these are the people that are trying to legislate sexual morals? "
starlite wrote on Sep 1, 2008 3:51 PM:
" So will this be Bristol's first child or second child? I'm not trying to be rude or anything but things sound fishy. Sarah Palin never looked pregnant at all, but Bristol did. I love how Sarah's children names are so different. "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:20 PM:
" 1st I'd like to thank TDN for having these blogs. It truly is enlightening to see how totally committed some people are to their party NO MATTER WHAT! I'm personally a self declared Republicrat... Not aligned with either party but tend to vote Republican more often than not. Dino will most likely get my vote, Linda Smith was my champion, Ed Orcutt always gets my vote. Overall I like John McCain, but I cannot accept his choice as VP! Considering his health & age McCain had much better options who could've stepped in took over should he die or become incapacitated. Chosing Palin puts McCain's judgement into serious question in my book. Palin's lack of experience is obvious to any objective mind, not to mention McCain knew of her baggage. Yet another election where we'll have to pick the lessor of two evils. Obama/Biden get my vote this year! "
OddThomasfan wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:48 PM:
" So much for the "family values" platform...oh, ya, that wasn't used in this presidential race. Find it curious people have so much to say about this topic, no comments on other story about Palin's legal problem. "
Jinny wrote on Sep 1, 2008 4:57 PM:
" I have never been democrat or republican. I have voted the person.
This year I watched Obama's rise and was very interested in his answers to the problems in America.
I wanted what he had offered earlier. Change? yes, I wanted Change but I wanted "what kind of change?" answered.
He never did. I waited and waited. No specifics. His answers in Toledo, in Pennsylvania, in the West, everywhere he went was "we are going to invest (X)Billions in creating jobs right here in (X)city.
Always the answers are in taxing the upper 1%, the elite but I am left wondering as a voter how that does not also include me who cannot afford to keep being taxed for more programs.
What did I want? I wanted to hear Specifics on WHAT was going to be Cut. What programs that are now outdated can be cut. eliminated. I did not want to hear that we would be getting more government and more handouts.
So, along comes this person who has bucked the system. She has successes in putting folks out of office who have exploited our monies.
I want that portion of change. I want to see it happen in my lifetime.
All this other stuff, troopergate garbage, the pregnancy gossip, is not what I want to hear. I want to See a person from outside washington get in there and kick some butt.
Sarah Palin is a start in that direction.
Thankyou. "
This year I watched Obama's rise and was very interested in his answers to the problems in America.
I wanted what he had offered earlier. Change? yes, I wanted Change but I wanted "what kind of change?" answered.
He never did. I waited and waited. No specifics. His answers in Toledo, in Pennsylvania, in the West, everywhere he went was "we are going to invest (X)Billions in creating jobs right here in (X)city.
Always the answers are in taxing the upper 1%, the elite but I am left wondering as a voter how that does not also include me who cannot afford to keep being taxed for more programs.
What did I want? I wanted to hear Specifics on WHAT was going to be Cut. What programs that are now outdated can be cut. eliminated. I did not want to hear that we would be getting more government and more handouts.
So, along comes this person who has bucked the system. She has successes in putting folks out of office who have exploited our monies.
I want that portion of change. I want to see it happen in my lifetime.
All this other stuff, troopergate garbage, the pregnancy gossip, is not what I want to hear. I want to See a person from outside washington get in there and kick some butt.
Sarah Palin is a start in that direction.
Thankyou. "
LongviewFam wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:11 PM:
" First, Palin had a baby several months ago. Now, the daughter is pregnant. No cover up, just a baby late in life. Second, the daughter isn't running for public office, her mother is, so back off the rude comments on the daughter. Think Palin's a bad parent because her daughter's pregs? Try looking at your own parenting and ask yourself whether you thought your kids' poor decisions were yours. We can only teach them best we can and let them make their own decisions. Mistakes will be made by kids. I think it's a poor reflection on a person running when they break covenants to people they marry, not when their kids screw up. "
racingrocks wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:39 PM:
" Three things.First,she took on the big oil companies so she isnt part of them.Second,her "inexperience" in my opinion,is what is her strong suit.No experience means she isnt intimate with Washington,and therefore is a perfect candidate for positive change and by the way,has no problem hanging her own party.Third,her daughter being pregnant actually will HELP her abstinennce only policy b/c she can now make the point that if her daughter had used what she was being taught,she wouldnt have become pregnant.I have never liked Mcbush...I mean Mcain but I really like Palin's character and strength "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 1, 2008 5:53 PM:
" People like Cheney, Duh, 1209, Local Yokel, and Jackie are convinced that women only vote based on their reproductive organs. These people don't see intelligent, successful, strong, family oriented women as people. That's really too. She is not running for president, and I guarantee you a woman raising five children is more than qualified to run this country. Her life choices scare people like Cheney and the others. I see that Mary is like a woman I know. She was very much Hillary and she loves Palin. She sees her as an excellent role model for young girls. Couldn't agree more. The communist Liberals can usually scare tactics. Look at Cheney's comments. He doesn't see why Rev. Wright is an issue. Uh -- maybe becasue he was a campaign adviser, maybe because Obama credited him with molding him, and Obama's support of Wright and Farrakan shows that he tolerates and believes in racism and hate. Sarah Palin is a strong willed person who isn't bought and paid for by the Republican Party. Just like John McCain. Those of us that are tired of the party politics employed by people like Pukelosi and Reid want leadership that will work on ideas for a better America. McCain did that on immigration, campaign finance and other issues much to the chagrin of the Republican Party. That's good. What has Obama done? Nothing. What has Biden done? Any remember his treatment of Republican Supreme Court candidates? Disgraceful. We don't need that type of leadership. "
longviewmom3 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:24 PM:
" as a mother at 16 i see nothing wrong and for all the rude comments...GET A LIFE! For all you know your daughters out doing the same stuff but has been lucky to not come home pregnant.As long as the baby is cared for WHATS THE PROBLEM?? The daughter isnt running her mother is! "
1209 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 6:37 PM:
" Maybe Obama will give the Republicans a break, to make the election more competitive, and dump Biden for David Duke. You know, to REALLY balance the ticket. "
1209 wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:06 PM:
" Kids who come from healthy, supportive, families - where the mom and dad love each other- never resort to underage, promiscuous, unprotected sex. "
sosorry wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:14 PM:
" I see Sarah has got peoples attention. As well she should. I am more concerned about what Bush is up to in his final months in office. While our attention is diverted by Gustav and Sarah what is the party that has become the white collar criminal "party" up to now? I can feel it in my guts - they are up to something major nogood. "
Diesel wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:21 PM:
" I keep seeing these comments that Palin doesn't have any experience. Well please tell me what has Obama done? How has he voted on issues? He votes present which means he neither votes for or against a bill. So how will he effect change if he can't/won't vote? I am a dem by choice but the vote is for who is best for this country and not a party. The dems are afraid of Palin because she is not part of the washington good ole boys club and she's smart. Now there's a scary thought huh? A woman who's smart and savy taking a shot at the big boys in D.C. I keep hearing about how the republicans throw dirt and tell lies but it seems that most of that here is being done by the dems. I seem to remember that when we filled congress with dems that they had a 100 day plan to get 100 things done. Didn't happen did it? All the complaining about Bush shooting down the dems bills, well have you all forgotten that a 2/3's majority overrides a veto? We have no one to blame except ourselves and the inept congress who WE elected. I hope Palin kicks D.C. butt. "
Gondolapete wrote on Sep 1, 2008 7:28 PM:
" This is comical reading how all the dems in Longview now are "concerned" about her ability to lead, or that she is "not qualified" and this baby reflects bad family values. Palin is "pro-choice" as well, its called the choice of keeping the baby rather than killing it "
transplant wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:00 PM:
" Seems to me that this simply makes her "more" like one of the people. We've cried and hollered that these folks are so out of touch, but this makes Palin very real. Same trials and tribs, same struggles. She had my from the beginning. Nothing has changed. She'll make a great VP. "
justa_name wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:11 PM:
" After reading all the comments, it seems to me like everyone is at each other's throats. Democrats, Republicans, why does it have to be so black and white. We need to start looking past the political party bullcrap, and look at the issues at hand. Find where each stand on important issues and pick the one that bests suits your vision of the next presidency and what you want changed. Forget get the political parties. "
mary wrote on Sep 1, 2008 8:22 PM:
" TDN Bad Boy: I never vote for Hillary i did vote Obama.Funny how things turn out when you read Blogs. My vote is still for Mcain/Palin no matter how many kids she has or her daughter. "
LongviewRez wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:12 PM:
" Cheney119 Oh PUHLEEZE! Failure as a parent? What the heck kind of example was Bill Clinton to his daughter when he was hankey panking in the oval office? "
LongviewRez wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:15 PM:
" LocalYokel, I am a Rep. but I bow to your unbiased and fair opinion. Tired of all the personal attacks on BOTH sides. Agreeing to disagree :o) "
Aconserve wrote on Sep 1, 2008 9:39 PM:
" I hate to do this, and I do not support the B.O. camp but I must say, the bloggers are the ones that put this out there not the Obama camp. Underage children, or any childeren are usually off limits for either side, not that that always stops them but it supposed to. To you folks who belive that an abortion is a "family matter" why don't we ask an aborted baby? When isn't really that big of a deal, that fact is when you abort the baby is no longer living. That is murder, plain and simple. "
mom of four wrote on Sep 1, 2008 10:48 PM:
" To Cheny this is what you wrote and here is my response...
This Palin is a failure as a parent yet sets herself up as some moral authority, that's an issue if you ask me.
Parents cannot be there at every moment of everyday with their child, unlike you that is a frinking super parent and has the handbook you should really cut your comment back a few notches and say hey if this where my kid what would I do. I am sure she isn't over joyed that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant but she is going to deal with it. Also, if you could can you please find a publisher for your upcoming manual on "How to raise children" and guarentee your work. Just FYI I don't think eiher are cut out for the job~Presidents running and their VP's Hillary was an awful choice as well. "
This Palin is a failure as a parent yet sets herself up as some moral authority, that's an issue if you ask me.
Parents cannot be there at every moment of everyday with their child, unlike you that is a frinking super parent and has the handbook you should really cut your comment back a few notches and say hey if this where my kid what would I do. I am sure she isn't over joyed that her 17 year old daughter is pregnant but she is going to deal with it. Also, if you could can you please find a publisher for your upcoming manual on "How to raise children" and guarentee your work. Just FYI I don't think eiher are cut out for the job~Presidents running and their VP's Hillary was an awful choice as well. "
local taxpayer wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:53 AM:
" The most experianced person is not always the right one for the job. Lets not send her packing before we get a chance to learn about her views and see her in the debates. She might be the most intelligent female we have seen and just not had the chance to show it. "
hey now wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:55 AM:
" My biggest issue with this news is that Palin is a STRONG advocate of abstinence only education. I wonder if her daughter was on the pill or used protection when she decided to do what SO many kids do (with or without full knowledge of how to take precautions). "
DUH wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:24 AM:
" Palin is a STRONG advocate of abstinence only education. She taught her daughter well... She abstained from using protection. "
mad monkeys wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:10 AM:
" I would love to know if any of you are holier than thou? If so than maybe you should cast the first stone. Apparently none of you are true supporters of Obama, nor any side you are just gossip girls! I just listened to Obama outside of festivities and he said " Families are never to be attacked especially the children" He also said that if you are one of his supporters you would agree with him on this. How many of you are going to attack him due to his mother had him when she was 18? I am not an Obama supporter however I agree with him. I am sure all of you are so perfect and that everyone should follow your examples huh. I too was a teen mother and I grew up in a church. Not one of my church family turned their back on me instead they pulled me in and loved me more and helped me through that time. That is what Palin's daughter needs. This has no business for the press or any of you to attack her. How many of you were or are teen parents, or better yet how many of you have a teen in your family that is a parent or soon to be a parent. Those who live in glass houses should not toss stones. "
RAL Alum wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:29 AM:
" Hopefully some of you more seasoned political people can help me with this. I thought I read somewhere that just because McCain chose Palin as his running mate that doesn't necesarrily mean that she will be nominated by the Republican Party. Is that true, and if so do you think that they may choose someone else? "
DUH wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:42 AM:
" I am not bashing her abstinence only education. In her perfect world, abstinence only would be the only option. This is not a perfect world therefore it's not the only option. Along with teaching abstinence, you must also teach our kids that if they are going to have sex, they must use protection. I agree with Obama's statement..."Families are never to be attacked especially the children" In this day and age, if you don't use protection, you're lucky if pregnant is all you get. "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:49 AM:
" The Republicans can dump Palin at the convention. But their best move would be to keep her and scrape as many votes as they can, in the snowball's chance in hell that they could win, then dump her the moment McCain is sworn in for someone like Romney or Huckabee (any white male). "
hey now wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:08 AM:
" Mad Monkeys,
I am not trying to be holier then thou, but my argument is with her mother's policies, not with the girl. Palin advocates a policy of abstinence only education but cannot even get members of her family to follow that education. If a comprehensive education including the use of birth control measures was used, perhaps the pregnancy could have been avoided.
I am annoyed by conservatives who say that comprehensive sex education will encourage kids to have sex, they say telling them to use condoms is encouraging them to have sex. But with gun control they say safety classes and education reduce gun related issues and that its not the gun but the person that kills people (all of which I agree). Why isn't it the person choosing to have sex and not the condom told them to? "
I am not trying to be holier then thou, but my argument is with her mother's policies, not with the girl. Palin advocates a policy of abstinence only education but cannot even get members of her family to follow that education. If a comprehensive education including the use of birth control measures was used, perhaps the pregnancy could have been avoided.
I am annoyed by conservatives who say that comprehensive sex education will encourage kids to have sex, they say telling them to use condoms is encouraging them to have sex. But with gun control they say safety classes and education reduce gun related issues and that its not the gun but the person that kills people (all of which I agree). Why isn't it the person choosing to have sex and not the condom told them to? "
LongviewFam wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:12 AM:
" 1209 said, "never resort to underage, promiscuous, unprotected sex. " Really? 'Cause I can think of lots... "
red3953 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:05 AM:
" If my daughter was pregnant, I would be more upset that she had unprotected sex, than pregnant...Oh yea, they do not talk about or believe in birth control. Silly me "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:27 AM:
" Let's try not to think of resorting to lots of underage, promiscuous, unprotected sex. That's what brought innocent little Barack Palin into the middle of this whole mess. "
pilaf wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:43 AM:
" Man, you have to feel bad for Bristol and "Levi". Not only did they get caught, the whole country is talking about it. Bummer for them. Do you think there is a lot of pressure on them to get married? What if the boy or his parents don't want him to get married as a teenager? (assuming they are about the same age) I am all for supporting your kids when mistakes happen, but forcing kids to get married seems like mistake #2.
I would agree that it would be best if this were private, but the fact that Palin is a strong supporter of abstinence only education does make this a little bit relevant. "
I would agree that it would be best if this were private, but the fact that Palin is a strong supporter of abstinence only education does make this a little bit relevant. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:46 AM:
" RAL Alum, she has to be confirmed but that is only a formality. She will be confirmed and be elected with Sen. McCain. The only party to dump a VP after the convention was the Liberals when McGovern I believe dumped the senator from Missouri who failed to disclose that he had undergone shock treatment on his brain. Actually that went a long way to explain his Liberal views but McGovern was such a loser that he was frantic. Sen. McCain will not dump Sarah Palin. She is proving to be stronger than anything the Liberals have seen or nominated. They are truly running scared because America likes the fact that she is willing to challenge her own party, just like Sen. McCain. Obama-Biden are really nothing but talking party puppets. They spew the party rhetoric and if you look at the words instead of listen to the speech, you see that there really is no substance behind what they say. Change, but change what? Stop the war but not how. Tax but not how much. Health care but to what extent and how much? Alternative energy but how it take and what will it cost Americans in the meantime? Obama-Biden are all talk and no substance. And by November their words will be hollow and empty. "
An observer wrote on Sep 2, 2008 11:52 AM:
" A lot of stones being thrown, and there is a lot of glass out there. Look at your school hallways, look at the kids caring babies down the street. I feel for you that where blinders. "
Stella wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:09 PM:
" I am wondering with five children, some of them very small how she would find time to help run a country such as ours and raise children well? Wouldn't she be traveling way too much to be of service to her family as a mother? Are her children being raised by nannies or the older children? I am a working mother myself. It has been a challenge over the years, but I have managed to do a good job. But, I have a local job and only two children. I am not traveling all over the world and having to be available to my job 24/7 such as she would be. Or, is being vice president just a 9-5 job? "
ulu wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:30 PM:
" The republicans whipped Monica and Bill to death. Isn't it funny that any scandle re them is considered bad press. And, it seems it was Sarah that brought this up. Just wait until they start on her son. Lots of contravery regarding his hastily joining the Army...More smut to uncover there.... "
greenbean wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:34 PM:
" Wow, Stella -- hard to believe your comments. I think Barack Obama's children are young too, has anyone asked how he will manage the presidency and raise his children? The President's schedule will be even more demanding. I can't imagine... "
Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:42 PM:
" I really can't believe that I am going to agree with TDN Bad Boy! Daughters get pregnant, in and out of wedlock. My father disowned me because I did not force my daughter to marry her oldest child's father (an abusive drug addict-meth). She is back with her highschool sweetheart (not her oldests father) and they will marry when the time is right and have been together for the past 5.5 years strong. I still believe that McCain and Palin will be better for this country than Obama and Bidin. (been democrat for over 25 yrs and will vote republican this year). I would rather see Ron Paul run with Palin, but we got what we got. Love all the glass houses in this thread! "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 12:48 PM:
" Anybody check out the latest Obama/Biden speeches on CSPAN? They really get the crowds going crazy for them the way they tag in and out on they're speeches. Obama/Biden are turning into the Jimmy Superfly Snuka and Dutch Savage of politics. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:00 PM:
" McCain was going for the women's vote when he selected Palin as his running mate. Do you really think that she is a better choice than Mitt Romney? That she has more experience? Good grief! Before being selected as the governor of Alaska, she was mayor of a town with a population of 9,000! How does that in any way make her more qualified that the candidates that McCain could have selected? Well, you can't fool me John McCain! I'm an intelligent woman who believes that women can be successful wherever they choose if they put their mind to it. We don't need you patronizing us by picking a woman who has no more experience than the mayor of Kelso, for gosh sakes! "
RAL Alum wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:03 PM:
" 1209, I liken them more to a Iron Shiek and Ray Albano but to each there own. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:06 PM:
" And one more thing...who cares about Sarah Palin's daughter's pregnancy. It has nothing to do with anything! "Let he who has lived without sin, cast the first stone"...judgement of that kind does not belong to us...
There are so many statements made in this comment section that are so far from the truth and made because of party affiliation and right wing vs left wing beliefs, it is pathetic. Check your facts, people! Go to Snopes.com and find the truth to all of the rumors circulating about Obama and give yourself a chance to read the truth and not just follow someone else's comments...think for yourself! "
There are so many statements made in this comment section that are so far from the truth and made because of party affiliation and right wing vs left wing beliefs, it is pathetic. Check your facts, people! Go to Snopes.com and find the truth to all of the rumors circulating about Obama and give yourself a chance to read the truth and not just follow someone else's comments...think for yourself! "
DW wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:25 PM:
" Well 1209, it's kinda like I said, Biden reminds me of a yappy little dog that pees on himself when he gets all worked up. And as for the Messiah, have you put air in your tires and tuned up your car yet to keep us from using foreign oil?? The Messiah has even said he wants a wind fall profits tax on the oil companies, then refund that to the American people as some form of redistribution of wealth. That's just brilliant!! If Obama is elected and has policies such as that we are soooooooo screwed. "
Lucky7 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:38 PM:
" McCain really screwed up with this pick. Romney, Paul, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Rice... and on and on. Palin is probably number 100 or lower on the list of most qualified candidates. The man's judgement is in question now. Some of you don't think of VP as being very important. I see VP as being president. McCains age & health are issues to be considered. Unfortunately Obama's skin color make him a target for some of our coutry's radicals. Joe Biden without question has the experience to step in even if Karl Rove called him a "blowhard dufus". Could be President Dufus someday, but at least he has the experience to handle the job! "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 2, 2008 1:49 PM:
" RE: ulu -- Your statement comparing the dirty secret the Clintons tried to keep and this is pathetic. Old Slick Little Willie stood in front of the cameras, shook his finger and said I did not have sex with that woman. Of course he doesn't believe that oral sex is sex or that using a cigar is a sex act. I, like millions of other Americans do. And the fact that this was done in the White House makes it all the more despicable. Hillary stood by Slick, crying that it was all a right-wing Republican conspiracy, until the truth actually came out. This is a family matter, and the fact that Sarah Palin did not demand that her daughter get an abortion, the fact that she stands beside her daughter and supports her decision irks the Liberals to no end. Here is a woman of principle telling America their family business, which really is no business of America. It didn't happen while she was in the White House. Palin didn't lie about it. Can't you see the difference in character between what Sarah Palin is doing and what the Clintons did? Sarah Palin is the definition of character. The Clintons are the definition of no character. The Republicans are not saying the Democrats did this or that. They are standing strong behind the woman who made the right decision to support her daughter's decision. That is a family of strength. A family to be admired. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:23 PM:
" If Hilary Clinton had dumped her husband, the President of the United States, while in office, the Republican party would have had a field day. What Bill Clinton did was shameful and any decent human being would agree but the fact that Hilary Clinton stayed with him and has fought the good fight only proves what strength of character she has. What an overcomer! For his actions, Clinton was brought up for impeachment...and yet, a President sits in our White House today who lied about weapons of mass destruction, and led us down a path that has left our economy in shambles and you have the nerve to even bring up Bill Clinton's stupid actions as being anywhere near the actions of George Bush! What Bush has done while in office is nothing short of criminal! So compare criminal with indiscretion and see which is the worst offense. By the way, have you checked gas prices lately or the value of your home? Do you and your family have adequate medical care? Have you tried to get a home loan lately or refinance? In the eight years since Clinton left office and Bush has sat in the White House, the national deficit has almost doubled and is expected to reach 10 TRILLION dollars by next January. Now that, is shameful! "
Cheney119 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:24 PM:
" Palin professed abstinance ONLY "education"! How's that work'in out for you incompentant, vindictive, regressive, ignorant, hypocrite? Governor of Alaska, what a damn joke. I love the abstinance only crowd! It's like the generals during WWI that said that pilots should not be allowed to have parachutes, because they would be more likely to abandon their planes. Give me a parachute or a condom anyday, emergencies happen. Turns out Levi the father of Brisol's love child is an ADULT!!! (over 18) Is an arrest pending? Isn't this rape in the case of a minor? "
tdn bad boy wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:40 PM:
" Re Klb65: I have no problem with a woman standing by her man. But she did not fight the good. She was despicable in her blame of the Clintons problems on the right-wing Republicans. Bill Clinton stood at more than one church pulpit and claimed to be a righteous man. He is a despicable person who if he wasn't president would be in prison for sexual assault if not rape. What he did to women is total inexcusable. Mr. Bush has done exactly what I want of a president. He has stood tall against weak-kneed Liberal criticism and made the world understand what America will do for democracy. As for loans, the prime is still below 6 percent. If you can't get a loan it means that you don't have the credit. Buying a home requires a job and good credit. Nothing more. The deficit means NOTHING. The Liberals claim it's this great big deal. It means NOTHING. Gas prices. Tell Pukelosi and Reid to drill and watch how fast gas prices drop. Hey you Liberals said Bush was going to Iraq for oil. I guess this shows just how much you know. Medical care? I'll back socialist medical care when the Liberals float a plan that doesn't pay for abortions, sex-change operations, or AIDS contacted by homosexual activity. You make those choices. You pay for them. Out tax dollars should go to people who get uncurable diseases through no fault of their own -- not a sexual deviancy. "
Cheney119 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:41 PM:
" Bill Clinton was the president 8 years ago. When will you republicans admit your president has made a mess of things? This isn't a blog about the Clinton's this a blog about a bad choice of VP, and this is a really patheticly bad choice. So completely unqualified it isn't even funny. How about the hypocratic oath for VP? First, do no harm. Does Palin even come close? She is currupt in several different ways. If you say she hasn't done Grandpa McCain harm you aren't paying attention. What do you think independants think? I'll bet the independants are paying attention. "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:44 PM:
" Having a child out of marriage at the age of 17 is never the right decision. The only time that this is the right decision is if your family is white. If this was a Black, Hispanic, or Asian 17 year old girl getting pregnant before she was married, then she and her family would be ridiculed, as all non-white teen pregnancies are. Parents who can't keep their kids from getting pregnant NEVER deserve the same credit as the parent who CAN keep their child from getting pregnant. Parenting is all about LEADERSHIP. Those who can't lead, make excuses. "
tdn bad boy wrote on Sep 2, 2008 3:57 PM:
" Cheney and 1209, you guys are running scared. She's going to get votes that McCain and any other candidate wouldn't get and that has you scared stiff. You know that old Joe Biden is a Washington insider and McCain has now made this election about the Washington insiders against a team that has stood up to partisan party politics. All you have to do is look at Congress' record to see how that will turn out. McCain and Palin can now tie Obama and Biden to Pukelosi and Reid and watch the country run. Sarah Palin is a great candidate who defeats the Liberal scare tactics on abortion. She is a great role model to all young women. Who exactly is Joe Biden a role model to? And her place on the GOP ticket does nothing to hide Obama's lack of experience. It is pathetic to think that a racist man who has never led any type of government could be the Democratic candidate. But then what do you expect from the Liberals? My I expect the worse so when they put a racist on their ticket it doesn't surprise me one bit. As for the GOP ticket, Sarah Palin is everything that I want a leader to be. Strong family. Successful. No ties to Washington politics. A healthy brain. A good heart. "
DUH wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:25 PM:
" Keep telling yourself that political mumbo jumbo there bad boy and someday you'll start believing it but, I guarantee you this, neither I or a majority of the voters ever will. OBAMA 08! "
hey now wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:31 PM:
" tdnbb: Joe Biden is a great role model. He is a committed father who would skip out on Washington fundraisers and parties to take the train home every night to be with his two young sons. One son is a Captain in the reserves and will be heading out for Iraq before the election. He is routinely listed as one of the least wealthy members of the senate because he doesn't take any kickbacks and lives on his Senators salary. Biden has also been on the Foreign Relations committee for 36 years. He has the most foreign policy experiences out of anyone in this election by a long shot. As far as your congress argument, people always like to quote how low Americans think of congress (like 10% or something) but never quote how they feel about their own congressman. I guarantee Baird will coast to victory even though congress as a whole has a low approval rating. People dislike congress but like their own congress person for the most part. "
DW wrote on Sep 2, 2008 4:54 PM:
" Cheney, 1209, and DUH are good examples the hate mongers of the left. They can't see past the end of their nose, and anything a Repulican does is bad no matter how good it is. Look at what just happened in New Orleans. I blame President George Bush for the fact that there was very little destruction and few deaths. If there had been another mess, the libs would be screaming G.W., G.W. you lied people died.....Sarah Palin will weather the storm of liberal bashing with the help of the media, and when we see that she is tough as nails and makes Biden look like a little yappy dog that wees on himself when he gets all worked up...bring on the debates baby. "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:13 PM:
" Good things republicans have done? Name one! I don't care about Sarah Palin, she's a great big nothing! Her patheticly poorly run family isn't the issue either. o McCain picked her as her as a replacement in the event of his (quite likely) death, another incompent republican selection like I've mentioned on the other posts, Browney, Harriet Meyers, Antonio Gonzalez, Monica Goodling, Donald Rumsfeld, republicans not up to the job, again and again republicans, idologically bent, despite of reality of situations, constantly republicans not up to the job. Pregnant daughter? Prehaps ideologically bent, abstinance only, prehaps not up to the job of parenthood. Just a theory. Glad she ain't my kin! "
DUH wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:19 PM:
" DW... I can see far enough to know that I, along with the majority of voters, don't want 4 more years of the last 8 years. I know it's only a small sampling but, look at the poll results on the home page. OBAMA 08! "
cheney119 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:34 PM:
" I want to give another comment to the 12% of independant voters that have not made up your minds on the presidential candacy. YOU HAVE SO LITTLE MIND TO MAKE!!! Why don't you try one potato two potato, or perhaps eney meany miney moe. If you are so inanely igonorant to not be able to make the choice between McCain and Obama and what they would do for or to the this country you should not even be allowed to vote. Flip a coin you ignorant jackass. You have about as much chance of getting the correct choice. I mean HOW DUMB CAN YOU POSSIBLY BE? "
DUH wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:51 PM:
" Because I wont vote Republican Makes me a hate monger? I haven't said one word of hate toward anyone. You Republicans on the other hand, especially Bad Boy, use words of hate all the time when referring to Democrats. Better reassess who the hate mongers are. All I ever said about Republicans is that they all are nothing more than immature grade school name callers. Thank you DW and Bad Boy for proving it again. OBAMA 08! "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 5:51 PM:
" This will be the first Presidential Campaign involved with a statutory rape investigation. A 17 year old girl getting pregnant is worth asking those questions. It's better to be safe than sorry, especially if it's the daughter of the Vice Presidential candidate. Unfortunately, it will be embarrassing for our country. This is not the attention our country needs. But Palin can't help herself. "
JD Hogg wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:14 PM:
" Wow, 85 posts about the Vice-Presidential candidates 17 year old engaged daughter.....our local Dems must be quaking in their boots if this is the only dirt they can come up with! Lets face it, Obama is even less credible than Gore or Kerry, and now they're getting desperate, even saying that Palin has no experience to lead if something happens to McCain....yet they think a few years as a state senator is more than enough for Obama....HA! "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:14 PM:
" I predict a nervous breakdown for Palin during the Vice Presidential debate, like Tammy Faye Baker. It will be a major embarrassment for our country, but Obama and Biden will restore our nation's dignity. "
Crystal wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:15 PM:
" Personally attacking people because of their party doesn't do any good. The only issue I see here is Palin's daughter's pregnancy is a prime example of how many conservatives keep their heads buried in the sand when it comes to teens and premarital sex. Give it up, abstinence only teaching doesn't work. "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 6:35 PM:
" If we can't trust Palin for her stand on teaching abstinence to our children, how can we trust Palin for her stand on ABORTION? Get ready for another BOMBSHELL! Poor McCain might keel over before November because of all the grief Palin's bringing him. I'm actually starting to feel kind of sorry for the old man, but I'll get over it. "
toledoone wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:19 PM:
" Palin was an excellent choice. It sure has you all worried. See you in November. "
toledoone wrote on Sep 2, 2008 7:21 PM:
" I am okay with abortion but you say it is a family matter. Who speaks for the baby? "
greenbean wrote on Sep 2, 2008 8:38 PM:
" Let's just agree to leave the poor girl alone. Why on earth is the media making such a big issue of a candidate's teen-age daughter's actions and decisions? Where is the outrage that the children should be off limits? It must be bad enough to deal with an unplanned pregnancy at 17, much less to have to splashed all over the country in print and on TV. The adults doing this are pathetic!~ "
JD Hogg wrote on Sep 2, 2008 9:54 PM:
" Only reason this is even being brought up is because the Dems have realized that they have slipped tremendously in the polls and are now getting desperate.....and the only dirt they can possibly come up with on McCain's VP pick is the fact her daughter is pregnant....sad, aint it? Oh, and nice rhetoric there 1209, once again you prove yourself to be an Obama Zombie. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:06 PM:
" The Liberals are running scared. They see a smart woman who doesn't vote with her reproductive organs and they have no idea what to think. Sarah Palin is exactly what America needs as the first female vice president. She is strong, smart, family oriented, great values, successful, willing to push the envelope, and proud to be American. Everything the Demoncrat Liberals are not. McCain-Palin is the best ticket that America has seen. Finally a woman with substance at the top of the ticket. Someone all women can be proud of, I know my daughter is. She sees hope in the Republican Party that she doesn't see in the Democrats. Thank God. "
1209 wrote on Sep 2, 2008 10:42 PM:
" 93 comments over Palin's daughter? The Republicans are definitely insecure over such a minor item. It will only get worse for Palin during the debates. "
Duck wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:24 AM:
" Hey Greenbean: Obama does have small children. He does not have 5 children, one who is pregnant and one who has down syndrome. The republicans praise her for having the down syndrome child. Yes, that is courageous. But is it still if she pawns it off on somebody else? I am a democrat and will vote for Obama. I also think this girl should be left alone and that it's not the mark of a horrible parent. But I think Palin should stay home and perhaps help her daughter through this since she is about to become a mother and a wife. Running away to Washington is the mark of bad parenting. Perhaps we should get her husband in on this. Oh, wait! He is raising 5 (soon to be 6) children while working for BP! But yes, for God's sake, leave the girl alone. She is dealing with enough. And really, we could all use a little premarital, unprotected sex every now and then. She was just unlucky and happens the be the daughter of a conservative Governor. "
finchica wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:46 AM:
" First of all this isn't a dem or rep issue at all. It could be anyone's daughter. Me, and unwed mother myself thing this is absolutely awful that all you can focus on is that she is not married. How many marriages in our country actually stay in tact for a child to be raised it. A marriage nearly gives the parents a reason to divorce and a reason to ruin a child. Being through 2 divorces from parents in my life the thought of marriage scares me. I know its "shacking up" in Dr. Laura's words but I am who I am so let me be me. I love my daughter, I love my boyfriend and fathers daughter why screw up a perfectly good deal. People need to back off. We are all entitled to our own opinions and if Palin supports her daughter that's what matters. And also I think that Palin is an awful candidate and prior to knowing about her daughters pregnancy I said she was because she has 5 kids and they need their mom more than the US needs her! You brought children into this world woman raise them. Don't allow them to go under the radar for your fame. THEY NEED YOU! "
1209 wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:25 AM:
" "Hope" is the last word associated (genuinely) with Palin right now. There is no hope in underage pregnancy. There is no hope in STATUTORY RAPE. There is no hope in incompetence. DELUSION is the better word to equate to Palin. "
dude wrote on Sep 3, 2008 6:38 AM:
" Some people are mean and vial by nature like 1209. Shame on TDN for promoting this blog. There's better ways to report news, "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:38 AM:
" Don't want to start a fight here, just wondering how anyone can defend abortion. Can someone tell me why they are "for" the death of an unborn child? "
Stella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:18 AM:
" Greenbean:
I guess that was kind of sexist of me. I forget I have a single mother, small twon mind. Most of the politician types of this caliber are probably not very good parents as their job seems to be #1 in their life and they can afford to pay someone else to parent their children. They also don't have to do their own laundry, cooking, etc. so there is probably more quality time for children when they are home. "
I guess that was kind of sexist of me. I forget I have a single mother, small twon mind. Most of the politician types of this caliber are probably not very good parents as their job seems to be #1 in their life and they can afford to pay someone else to parent their children. They also don't have to do their own laundry, cooking, etc. so there is probably more quality time for children when they are home. "
DUH wrote on Sep 3, 2008 9:22 AM:
" Castle rocker... I myself am not for abortion but, in cases of rape, incest, or when the woman's life may be put in danger by carrying a baby full term, it should be ok. If a woman becomes pregnant as the result of rape or incest, what gives anybody the right to tell her that she has no choice and has to deliver that baby. How many "pro lifers" out there would want to have that monsters seed growing inside them for 9 months. 9 months of daily reminders of the horrific act that got them pregnant. If you mean abortion just because it was an accident? I say NO! "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:29 AM:
" Duh: I'm with you. In cases of rape, incest, or mother's health risk abortion should be an option. I am speaking about those pro-choicers who say that it is a woman's right to choose. To them I would say that if she is pregnant, and became pregnant from willingly engaging in sexual intercourse, she has already made the choice. I want to hear from one of those people that says a woman can do whatever she wants with her body and if it gets her pregnant she should have the choice to hit the easy button and abort it. "
Stella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 10:36 AM:
" RE: Castle Rocker
My step father got my sister pregnant when she was 14 yrs old, then punished her for it! Why should we expect her to have his baby? Her life is already messed up enough by his abuse. I was glad she could get an abortion. There's a good reason!What kind of life would that child have had? It probably would have come into this world with problems due to his constant beating of the mother. "
My step father got my sister pregnant when she was 14 yrs old, then punished her for it! Why should we expect her to have his baby? Her life is already messed up enough by his abuse. I was glad she could get an abortion. There's a good reason!What kind of life would that child have had? It probably would have come into this world with problems due to his constant beating of the mother. "
1209 wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:10 AM:
" Stella, I'm sorry to hear about your sister's ordeal. Although these posts are used mostly for political rhetoric, I hope that you and your sister are able to give each other strength for such a terrible violation. Please don't give on finding beauty and grace in yourselves as well as other people. You are very brave for sharing your story here. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:11 AM:
" As stated earlier, I believe that in cases of rape and/or incest, abortion should be an option. I believe the case you are talking about would be considered rape, statutory or otherwise, I'm not sure. What I don't understand are people that think a woman can do what she wants with her body and if it gets her pregnant she should be able to kill the baby because it may be a burden to her. "
Stella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 11:53 AM:
" My sepfather was and is a staunch republican as well as all his family and friends. His mother ran for California congresswoman. Mean to all who encountered her except her political buddies. To me this is political. From what I have experienced from the republicans I know, I wouldn't wish on anyone. Many have enough money to get away with anything they want. "
duck wrote on Sep 3, 2008 12:09 PM:
" castle rocker: Are you a woman? I'm guessing you're not. If a woman has NO choice, the man who is responsible needs to be held a lot more responsible. I might agree with you then, but men tend to get away from there responsibilities when they want to. "
1209 wrote on Sep 3, 2008 12:27 PM:
" Stella, we don't need to politicize the pain that you and your sister are dealing with. What's most important to me is that you and your sister take good care of each other. I hope that from these problems, you learn how to build a good life together that's filled with good people you can trust and love. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 3, 2008 12:41 PM:
" duck: Men aren't held more responsible because they aren't considered, as responsible. A woman can have an abortion whether the father wants it or not. In that case the father has no say in the situation. So why should the father be held responsible for the mothers decision to keep the baby if he has no say in the decision to do so. "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 3, 2008 12:47 PM:
" Stella, you had me feeling sorry for your family until you brought in the Republican Party. Republicans would have nothing to do with your step father. Just like Democrats would have nothing to do with Charles Manson. Should I hold the Democrats responsible for Manson and probably 75-80 percent of the other criminals in the country. Get real. Politics had nothing to do with your stepfather turning out bad. Go ahead and think that way if it makes you feel better but don't expect any more compasion from me. You are weak with your thoughts. "
klb65 wrote on Sep 3, 2008 1:31 PM:
" Sarah Palin may be a wonderful, well-educated woman but when she accepted the nomination for Vice-President, she stepped away from the Mother of the Year award. If my daughter were pregnant at 17 and I myself were the mother of a 1 year old Downs baby, I believe my first obligation would lie with my family. I would never expose my 17 year old child to what Sarah Palin's daugher has had to deal with these last few days. Ms. Palin showed a terrible lack of judgement in accepting the nomination for VP and her family will suffer for it. And so does a lack of judgement mean that she is a bad candidate? Well, I think so...after all there are many decisions made in the White House and I'm sure that she will have a few to make. My prediction is that Sarah Palin will give up the nomination... "
TDN Bad Boy wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:23 PM:
" RE: KLB65 -- You are dead wrong with that prediction. Watch the speech tonight to see a strong woman stand up for what America should be. If she were a man, would you be telling her to give up the nomination? No way, no how. She deserves the same treatment. Her family is behind her 100 percent. Her running for VP isn't going to change her daughter's situation, and it wasn't the cause. So leave it alone. You would be wiser making better decisions for your family than taking on Sarah Palin. She's a lot stronger than you and any of the other Liberals who want to bash her. America will see that tonight. She's not a woman with just words. She's a woman of substance who will grab America tonight. Man if I were Brain Dead Joe Biden and I had to debate this woman, I would call in sick. Might be time for Joe's brain to tell him it's tired of the Liberal thoughts again. Unlike the two Liberals, Sarah Palin stands for strength, family, and America. McCain-Palin is a winning ticket. "
Stella wrote on Sep 3, 2008 2:53 PM:
" I don't blame republicans for my sick family, I know of some individuals voted in and trusted in high offices that are pretty untouchable and get away with some very evil doings. I really don't trust any of them. "
duck wrote on Sep 3, 2008 4:11 PM:
" Yes, but because we don't make men responsible you cannot blame a woman for having an abortion. It takes two to make an abortion possible, not just one. If a man doesn't want a baby, he should be responsible enough to wear a condom. It is not just the fault of the woman. "
castle rocker wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:33 PM:
" You say it takes two to make an abortion possible but you want the decision to be mad by only one. How does that work? Also, should the woman not be responsible enough to take birth control or say, "put a condom on." As much as women want to make this about men, it's not. When you do what you do, you do it knowing that there is a risk of you getting pregnant and there is no risk of the man getting pregnant. So maybe women should be a little more careful than men. I agree with you that men should be held more responsible than they are but before you can do that you have to eliminate the woman's right to chose without the man's knowledge, permission, or even against his will. "
dylan wrote on Sep 3, 2008 5:42 PM:
" ok i been reading all of this. and to me who care's who is haveing sex with who. remeber way back in the day President's where sleeping with there black slave's. so who are we to tell them what they can and can not do. and there kids having nothing to do with us. i am d a Democratic who could care less of what the do in the bed room. but they gota take care of us people. and we should not pass judgment on what the do in bed.. "
Rosey Glasses wrote on Sep 3, 2008 8:23 PM:
" On this one... I will agree with TDN bad boy... This is the right choice and her daughter being pregnant is a blessed thing. If this daughter is half the mom her's is... the child is lucky indeed. I say that Palin is going to be the saving grace for the republicans in this election. Lookout Obama and Bidin... she is going to mop the floor with you both! haha :D (moving from democrate to republican) OH did anyone check out the Ron Paul "Campain for Liberty"? Wow... love that guy... may still write him in this November! http://www.campaignforliberty.com/ "
DW wrote on Sep 4, 2008 7:30 AM:
" Sarah Palin knocks 'em dead with speach. That should be the headline. Oh and her daughter is getting married to the father of her baby. Whatever will the liberals do?? Maybe the libs will find out that Sarah Palin put trash in her recycle bin. OMG!!! "
buggsie wrote on Sep 4, 2008 12:17 PM:
" WHO CARES?? LET THE CHILD LIVE HER LIFE! WHICH ONE OF YOU IS WITHOUT 'SIN' (MISTAKES) IN YOUR LIFE? LET HIM/HER THROW THE FIRST STONE. "
TwentySomething wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:30 AM:
" UGGG! My eyeballs are popping out after reading some of these ridiculous comments from people like Cheney119 and Jackie!
First off, it's absurd to attack her parenting skills, and the number of children she has! She has well-loved, well-behaved children, with excellent grades, one of whom made a poor choice w/ her boyfriend (one which probably would have been hidden had she been a "pro-choice" democrat). By your logic, every parent whose child makes a poor moral choice is unfit to parent and unfit for leadership. Absurd! "
First off, it's absurd to attack her parenting skills, and the number of children she has! She has well-loved, well-behaved children, with excellent grades, one of whom made a poor choice w/ her boyfriend (one which probably would have been hidden had she been a "pro-choice" democrat). By your logic, every parent whose child makes a poor moral choice is unfit to parent and unfit for leadership. Absurd! "
TwentySomething wrote on Sep 5, 2008 8:36 AM:
" Roudy Russ--I think the difference here is that we're talking about a 17yr old girl and her boyfriend, versus an ADULT (who should know better) having "relations" with someone other than his lawful spouse, actually INSIDE the oval office and ON THE JOB. "
TwentySomething wrote on Sep 5, 2008 9:08 AM:
" We have veered far off topic here, I'll play along. In response to DUH's comment: " How many "pro lifers" out there would want to have that monsters seed growing inside them for 9 months? "
If you change your wording from "want" to "would accept" then I'll raise my hand. I won't share the intimate details of my history w/ you, but I just want you to know that there ARE people out here who are willing to carry a baby to term regardless of how incredably difficult the situation might be. Which is the better choice: my anguish or a childs death, with so many people willing to adopt?
And in regards to the thinking that "if the baby would have genetic problems because of incest we should abort them", you should be very careful with that line of reasoning. The same standards could then be applied to to ALL unborn children with genetically-based disabilities (who by your thinking are not worthy of life), and then by extension to children outside the womb with disabilities. Judging someones right to live based on their ability or health is an ugly slippery slope that you DO NOT want to go down. "
If you change your wording from "want" to "would accept" then I'll raise my hand. I won't share the intimate details of my history w/ you, but I just want you to know that there ARE people out here who are willing to carry a baby to term regardless of how incredably difficult the situation might be. Which is the better choice: my anguish or a childs death, with so many people willing to adopt?
And in regards to the thinking that "if the baby would have genetic problems because of incest we should abort them", you should be very careful with that line of reasoning. The same standards could then be applied to to ALL unborn children with genetically-based disabilities (who by your thinking are not worthy of life), and then by extension to children outside the womb with disabilities. Judging someones right to live based on their ability or health is an ugly slippery slope that you DO NOT want to go down. "
roudy russ wrote on Sep 5, 2008 6:51 PM:
" TwentySomething, I stand corrected. You are right. The girl only being seventeen makes the situation statutory rape in most states. "
dispatcher wrote on Sep 6, 2008 11:57 AM:
" You can be the best parent in the world, but a teenager is still a teenager and can make bad choices no matter how they were raised, and no cheney119 once you pass the age of consent there becomes a rule of how many years age difference there is between the girl and boy, like in washington I believe it is 48 months age difference, and statutory rape charges I believe have to be brought on by the parents. "
berryjewels wrote on Sep 9, 2008 9:36 AM:
" A lot of you have misunderstood DUH position on the abortion issue. For one thing this is a family matter, but I understand what he is saying and there are some people out there who use abortion as a form of birth control which I DO NOT agree with. However, like DUH says there are times when a woman may not be able to mentally handle the situation in which the pregnancy came about and under those it should be her choice! I am not for abortion either, and I know of women who have against their health chose to have babies knowing what the outcome would/could be. AGAIN THOUGH IF IT IS BEING USED AS A FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL NO!!! THAT IS NOT OK! so if life threatening or other reasonings beyond the woman's control other than birth control it should be her choice. "
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