Olympia lawyer argues people don't have to show ID on demand

" Mr. Jones doen't think he lives in "that kind of world"? Has he been asleep for the last decade? Does anyone really think they can go on to Port property where there is military equipment and not expect to be stopped and questioned? "

" Boy is this guy delusional or what. We have been a police state since the late sixtys. "

" I would back this guy 100% if it was public property he was on. They shouldn't be able to arrest you for not showing ID when in public,...but once you're caught trespassing, refusing to show ID is adding fuel to the fire. "

" We have been a police state because we allow it. It is people like Mr. jones that stand up and say,"This is wrong!!", that protect our rights. We need more people like him. "

" Peaceful demonstrating is a form of free speech. "

" You hit the nail on the head Bert... We have seen the Constitution slowly shredded in front of our eyes all while the majority blissfully nods like sheep.

Kudos to Lagrand Jones! "

" He was trespassing on port property. Thats illegal then refused to show ID. Sorry folks but this is another dumb lawyer. Free speech? I can say anything I want in my own home... ( As long as my wife doesn't hear.) :-) "

" Hey bert, if it wasn't the military this jerk was protesting, he would be speaking german or wearing a lamp shade for a hat. If you trespass on government property and obstruct official business....well lets just say I have seen a sign that says, "Governmnet facility. Trespassers will be shot." You guys need to go to an air show an watch what our brave men and women in uniform can do with the equipment we have provided them with. If we would just go use some of this stuff on areas of the world that need a spanking, things would be a lot more peaceful. "Peace through the use of superior firepower." I am DW and I approve of this message. Let the name calling begin. "

" Bert: If you are refering to the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution the people do have a right to peacefully assemble. I would argue that breaking the law by trespassing on gov't property doesn't really qualify as a peaceful assembly. Also, if he was assembled there to forward his cause would't he want the gov't to know who he is and what he is for? Why try to hide your identity? "

" DW, the profound love for the military, as you have so well demonstrated, is one of the problems with this country. There are a lot of bad apples in that group as well as good apples. I spent 11 years in the military, and I saw a lot of bad apples. Frankly, the military is just a job (unless you are drafted), so placing them up on high pedestals and worshiping them as gods is pretty silly. And your comment about speaking German... old and busted. "

" Kelsonian. I don't think we put them on pedestals or think of them as gods but I personally will not allow them to be put down or spat on !!! If you don't agree with something there are channels to voice your disapproval. As you stated troops are only doing their jobs. Change the world and make it so they are obsolete.. Wish you and Obama well in your task ahead. Meanwhile thank them for doing a job that allows you to be so blessed to voice your opinion.BTW.. There is no draft!! Check it out...LOL "

" To DW - I support you. The military men and women have a tough job. They choose to fight for our continued freedoms. To Thought - You are funny! For all here: Jones is a Civil Rights, Human Rights, Criminal, and Personal Injury lawyer. http://www.evergreenlawgrp.com/pages/LegrandJones.htm Surprise - he went to Evergreen! "

" The real problem in this country is TOO MANY LAWYERS!!!! "

" When I become president, my first act will be to follow the course of another great Liberal Democrat -- LBJ. He used the draft to fight his war in Vietnam. My brother Charles Rangel of New York wants to bring it back. Sounds like a good idea doesn't it? We can start with Liberal Lawyers. Wait, I'm a Liberal, I'd better flip flop on that one. "

" The article is not clear as to whether or not he was on port property. It says that he was "approaching a fence on port property". If we have become a police state, it is our own fault since we are doing nothing to stop it. For example demanding that when a police officer shoots someone in the line of duty, that the shooting be investigated by a civilian panel choosen for the purpose and not by the police themselves. This is like asking a cat to guard the mouse! The gun has become a defense rather than karate in too many cases.
In a democracy it is the people who are supposed to see that things are kept on the up and up. Americans for the most part are too lazy and fail to do what they should do. Ten million letters to Congress demanding a law making it a felony for a congressman to accept campaign funds over $250 per individual or company would get the law changed. It is a pity that most Americans suffer from writeitis (the inability to write a letter). We are in the Iraq war because Americans refused to stand up to Bush and his cronies, did nothing about impeaching him. Was Saddam an evil man, probably yes, but you can say that about many members of the congress (Foley, Craig etc.) America needs to clean up its own act before "advising" what other countries should do. Stand up, and do your duty. "

" Now El Gabilon, calm down. Don't go talking about impeaching. Those are probably the first words you are going to hear about me when I sit down with my brother the radical Muslim in Iran and work out how we will run the world. So please put your impeachment talk on hold. And boy I sure want you defending me when you question whether Saddam was evil. If I get a few more like you on my side, the Muslims will rule the world. "

" If the KKK can assemble and espouse their rheteric of hate without being stopped and asked to produce ID surely someone who is protesting a questionable war should have the same right. And it is possible to support and applaud the military service people and disagree with the leadership that put them in harms way. If he was "approaching" the fence it is a natural assumption that he was on the outside of the fence. Remeber,"I may not agree with you say but I will fight to the death your right to say it." "

" That's OK, I wasn't using my civil rights anyway. Where have they gone? "

" The real problem is not only TOO MANY LAWYERS but also the JUDGES that allow it to trial! "

" I am 50 + years old. Almost all the males in my family have served in the military (exception: brother died when he was 11). Not ONE of them would advocate having to produce I.D. on demand except in instances where I.D. had been issued. I have a drivers license that I am only forced to produce when I am driving a car and being stopped by a police officer and I have my company I.D. that I must be able to show should a customer ask. This country (the U.S.A.) does NOT have a national I.D. card that we are mandated to show anytime a person in the government or law enforcement ask to see it! We are violating the law if we mis-identify ourselves (and they discover it) when asked by law enforcement, but we are NOT required to carry and show I.D. at all times. "

" uh oh.... next thing this guy will be in Gitmo with no rights. "

" It said he approached a fence on port property.I also think he should have showed his ID.What he wants[the lawyer]I believe is to fight for his right to protest in a peacful fashion.DID IT SAY HE WAS DISTURBING THE PEACE OR CLIMBING SAID FENCE.Plus he won't have a BIG LAWYER'S BILL WILL HE.If he wins,everyone will hire him. "

" Justareader-you are a wise one. I support the soldiers, but it puzzles me that so many people want to give the police unlimited power. Have they forgotten what can happen?? Are they just afraid?? I work in the criminal justice system and have seen incidents of abuse of power from law enforcement. Not from the majority, but more than most people would suspect. For those of you who criticize lawyers, it is the same situation. But like cops, who do you call when you need one???? "

" the politicians and tv heads ramble on about how free we are, the only thing we are free of is our basic human rights.

AND THAT IS ANOTHER REASON WHY I LEFT AMERICA, AND NOW LIVE ABROAD.

no one should be forced to show id unless there is probable cause for an arrest in which case it shall be left to the courts to identify the person.

its part of our right to remain silent amongst other things. "

" Amerika is a police state. We will obey. Big brother is watching and big brother is listening.

He knows when you've been naughty. He knows when you've been nice.

Watch what you say and do or suffer the gulags of Guantanamo. "

" I have german friends and they can't believe how our police,have a no nock policy,they said sounds like hitler days.NO YOU DO NOT HAVE TO SHOW YOUR ID,I would have, just to get them off my case,so I could start protesting again.HE DID THIS TO GET INTO COURT, TO FIGHT FOR THE RIGHT,FOR ALL OF US TO PROTEST,FOR ANY "REASON" BE IT LABOR LAWS OR ANY LAWS WE FEEL THAT INFRINGES ON ALL OF OUR RIGHTS!!!! "

" Mole, listen. The guy is protesting the military. He's nothing but an anti-war blood sucking liberal lawyer. Again, maybe some of you should go and watch a military demonstration. If your not proud as hell of our young men and women in the military, maybe your loyalty to this country should be questioned. I saw the Thunderbirds at McChord AFB a few weeks ago. Brought a tear to my eye watching how good we can be when we need to. Best airshow I've seen, and I've been to a few. If Lagrand Jones is found quilty of the charges against him I have a fitting punishment. Stand directly behind an F-15 Eagle and let the pilot light the afterburners....hehehe "

" Wow. A lot of what I read in the comments lately reeks of fascism... Just let me point out that in the article, the man was not arrested for CROSSING the fence, he was arrested for APPROACHING the fence... If the fence is the boundary and he didn't cross it, how was he trespassing? Not everyone agrees with the war, and peaceful protest is healthy. If government stands unopposed on all issues the power we give them will be abused. "

" lets bully our way,might makes right is that your foriegn policy D.W.All bullies eventually lose,try diplomacy.bush has killed to many young kids,WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION,lots of numerous other lies he has been caught at,come on D.W. Nobody ever has protested, the soldiers. JUST THE WAR AND THE REAL REASON WE ARE THERE,G.W. WANTS THAT OIL!!!! "