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Longview fire officials calling for additional equipment

Saturday, August 2, 2008 11:38 PM PDT

By Amy M.E. Fischer

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Longview Fire Department officials say they'll likely need to ask voters for tax increases if they're going to be able to provide adequate fire and emergency medical services in the years ahead.

Saying Cowlitz 2 Fire & Rescue, a rural fire and ambulance service, already is picking up too much of the city's service load, consultants have recommended a variety of options for solving the problem-and none of them are cheap.

"It's really up to the voters to determine what level of service it is they choose to support," Longview Fire Chief Daryl McDaniel said last week.

With calls for service rising in outlying areas and population growth in Lexington, Cowlitz 2 wants to focus more on providing its district with prompt fire and ambulance service and pull back somewhat on its assistance to Longview Fire, said Alan Headley, Cowlitz 2 Assistant Fire Chief.

Staffed by a combination of paid and volunteer firefighters, Cowlitz 2 has stations in Baker's Corner in West Longview, Columbia Heights, Lexington, Kelso, Rose Valley and Bunker Hill.

"We want transport units to be available to all citizens in the area," Headley said in a joint interview with McDaniel at Longview Fire headquarters. Also, Headley said, it's not fair to Cowlitz 2's taxpayers to subsidize Longview's fire service so heavily.

As it is, about 12 times a month-which amounts to 6 1/2 hours-there aren't any ambulances available, McDaniel said. Also, both agencies' fire response times are slower than accepted state standards.

If Cowlitz 2 focuses less on Longview, the city must find a solution to fill the gaps in service and figure out how to pay for additional fire trucks, ambulances the staff to operate them.

Money for the necessary fire department services couldn't come out of the city's general fund without cutting other city departments' budgets, said City Manager Bob Gregory.

Because the city coffers don't contain enough funds, the City Council is considering asking Longview voters to raise the limit on property taxes and/or approve an Emergency Medical Services levy. The council is expected to make a decision by next year.

"There's a lot of details to work out to put something on the ballot," Gregory said Friday.

According to consultants from the Cowlitz-Wahkiakum Council of Governments, Longview Fire has these options:

• Buy three ambulances (it doesn't have any now) and one additional fire engine (it now has three). In this scenario, American Medical Response, the privately owned ambulance service that handles Longview calls, would be replaced with a public ambulance service run by the city of Longview. Cost: about $3.9 million.

• Buy one fire engine and help AMR pay for an additional ambulance. The fire unit would also respond to EMS calls to provide basic medical service. Cost: about $1.6 million.

• Buy two fire trucks with basic EMS equipment that would respond to all medical calls first. AMR would continue providing ambulance service (with paramedics who can administer drugs and transport patients, which the basic EMS fire trucks can't do). The fire trucks also would respond to fire calls. Cost: about $2 million.

"There's lots of tentacles and complexities in this thing that really need to be sorted out before making a decision," Gregory said. "I think the jury's out on all three options."

The first option listed above is the most expensive, but it would give the city the most flexibility, Gregory said. Funding it would require a 55-cent-per-$1,000 levy-lid lift, which would cost the owner of a $170,000 Longview home an extra $94 per year in property taxes.

In addition, the first option would require voters to approve an EMS levy of 50 cents per $1,000 assessed property value. That would cost the same homeowner an extra $85 per year. The combined total would add $179 a year to that Longview homeowner's property tax bill.

The other two options would cost that homeowner $107 and $105 a year, respectively.

If voters decided they couldn't afford any tax hikes, could they live with the level of risk involved with gaps in emergency service? If not, the council would be forced to cut back on city services paid for with general fund monies, such as police, parks, library, engineering and building and planning, Gregory said.

"I do not want this to come across as a scare tactic. We have a responsibility to let the community know what our current capabilities are," he said.

The existing level of service is riddled with holes, local fire agencies agree. The problem is, the private ambulance company that serves Longview also handles calls throughout the county and transports patients from St. John Medical Center to hospitals in Vancouver or Portland. When AMR's ambulances are busy (it has three available around the clock and two others available during peak hours), Cowlitz 2 sends its ambulances (it has two) to Longview.

The city fire department not only covers Longview's residential, commercial and public property, it's also under contract with several riverfront industrial sites. Although the city has grown through property annexations, the fire department's staffing level has remained the same for a decade. When Longview Fire needs help fighting a blaze, Cowlitz 2 sends the only fire engine it has. In June, 80 firefighters battled a blaze at Longview Fibre, sapping the entire county's emergency response workers, McDaniel said.

The two agencies are exploring whether it would make financial sense to reorganize into a regional fire district, McDaniel said. They also are looking at building a joint fire station on Ocean Beach Highway between 38th and 46th Avenues.

Otherwise, Cowlitz 2 will replace its career firefighters at the Baker's Corner station in West Longview with volunteer firefighters, and move the paid firefighters to its Lexington and Columbia Heights stations, which have an increasingly heavy call load, Headley said.

Calls for service in 2007

Agency                 EMS calls        Fire/other calls          Total

Longview Fire      3,829                 1,656                           5,485

Cowlitz 2               3,550                 1,434                           4,984

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roudy russ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 6:29 AM:

" One way to cut cost would be to stop driving around in the biggest fire truck the department has, heck quit driving around period except on fire calls. I bet they burn up thousands of dollars a month in diesel cruising around. The artical is also misleading becouse yes they only have 3 fire trucks but the also have two arial ladder trucks with all the capablities of the fire engines plus the arial boom. By the way I made a mistake too, The fire men cruise the "giant" arial truck all over, not the fire truck. "

rainierguy wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:01 AM:

" with the help that longview did for rainier a few weeks ago we all need to think about this. it's not all for longview but for all of us that need there help and good work they do. let's think of what it mite be with out them. thank you longview again. "

Viewpoint wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:07 AM:

" Tax the riverfront industries the same as the rest of the businesses and residents in Longview. At the very least publicize the details of those contracts so taxpayers know how much EVERYBODY is paying for the Longview Fire Department. "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Aug 3, 2008 11:24 AM:

" Another thing to consider is the budget they have now. Compare it to Cowlitz 2's budget and you will see that Cowlitz 2 does so much more with so much less. Longview Fire Dept is an over-paid, under-worked organization. They were the driving force in tanking the merger with Cowlitz 2 years ago, now let them reap what they sow. Anyone who votes for this levy needs their head examined. For 3829 out of 5485 calls, they probably didn't contribute too much to the mission. Moral support, I guess..... "

Fire Service wrote on Aug 3, 2008 1:17 PM:

" I know that raising taxes never seems to be the popular thing to do, especially for the people who think they don't need it. In all reality when you or a loved one needs help during an emergency, wouldn't you like to have it there? By increasing the taxes, we will be putting more ambulances and apparatus on the road to help serve our community. Lets not wait until we need the ambulance to ask ourselves why we didn't vote for the tax increase. A couple hundred dollars is a small price to pay if for the life of a loved one! Either way, staffing levels have not changed in years, and the population around us is growing, and so should the fire departments around us. "

Fire Service wrote on Aug 3, 2008 1:26 PM:

" Re: Rowdy Russ.
You are right! They do cruise around in that "giant" ladder truck. But did you ever stop to think why they are driving around. Not only does LFD run emergency 911 calls, they also go to Elementary Schools and teach our children about fire safety and prevention. They also conduct fire inspections on local businesses, keeping them safe. Training in the fire service happens every day, and driving the apparatus is part of it. When you see them driving around there is a good reasons for it. I would much rather see them out driving around being involved in our community than not see them at all. "

Im_not_saying wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:02 PM:

" As someone with a familiarity as to the workings of EMS and fire, let me educate some of the unknowing that think they know it all:
AMR is the local ambulance, each staffed with 2 people.
LFD runs engine companies with usually 3-4 firefighters per truck.
They run jointly to most medical calls. Why waste this money you ask? Because far too many people are either A) Over 300 pounds, b) Upstairs when they need 911, c) trapped in a location not easily reached, d) in urgent need of more than 1 caregivers attention (someone has to drive the ambulance) or e) any combination of the above. AMR does an excellent job of cancelling fire when they are unneeded (just listen to your scanner) - People have come to expect a minimal level of service. It's a sad reality, but no one is willing to pay for it until it is gone, or they need it. Then the same people will complain that it was not there, when they turned down the levy in the first place. I don't like paying taxes any more than the rest of you - but it seems a lot more tax receiving agencies get a lot more without any fights. "

WsuCoug wrote on Aug 3, 2008 3:38 PM:

" What about when they drive to the store? "

roudy russ wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:15 PM:

" My father was a firefighter for District 2 for 12 years and I was also involved. There is no community service in alot of the places I see that worthless arial driving in. District 2 is run much better with better qualified firefighters for less money. Also how do you, Mr Fireman, respond to the deception that you only have three fire trucks? "

twr82 wrote on Aug 3, 2008 4:41 PM:

" So let me ask you this? Does the City of Longview think we all fell off the turnip truck while waiting at the redlight at Lowes and OB Hw. Do you think buying and staffing 3 more engines is going to solve the transport problem? Really think about it? Here comes another fire engine with basic life support EMT's who can not transport in that big red fire engine. How come the city of Longview is not asking AMR to sign a contract, which would supply dedicated ALS (advanced life support)ambulances? Maybe 2 for the city of Longview, that would only cost what? $300.000 vs millions? The Longview firefighters union want no part of transporting, go ask them. Buying and staffig fire engines will not solve the problem. Only staffing ambulances will!! I hope that all the citizens of Longview start asking some questions. 3 engines...give me a break! "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Aug 3, 2008 5:47 PM:

" twr82 has a good point. Why not just have AMR bid a contract to provide DEDICATED ALS to the city? It would be far cheaoer than ANY of the options already discussed. And I seriously doubt that AMR will just sit idly by while the city of Longview takes away a big chunk of their revenue. Perhaps Bob Gregory should study RCW 52. It prohibits cities from doing exactly what Gregory in proposing to do. "

sentinel wrote on Aug 3, 2008 5:50 PM:

" This is outrageous. Cities exist precisely to provide the services paid for by the general fund such as police, fire, and public works. If there is a demonstrated need to increase fire service then pay for it with the general fund. If that means the city no longer has the ability to provide funding for the Columbia Theater, the Community House, the Emergency Support Shelter, the Downtowners, and expanded recreational opportunities through Parks and Recreation, not to mention the nearly empty Mint Farm, then so be it. Perhaps the city council should adequately fund public safety and public works and then go to the taxpayers with a levy request to fund the extras and the nice-to-have, but not needed things they so obviously like to spend our money on. "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Aug 3, 2008 5:52 PM:

" And I have a question. How much are the citizens of Longview paying for their fire department now? I mean exactly how much per thousand are they paying?Compare that to other local fire departments and I'll bet more than a few people will be upset. The residents of Longview already are not getting very much bang for their buck. To ask us for more is totally irresponsible on Gregory's part. "

problemsolver wrote on Aug 3, 2008 6:22 PM:

" OK, I'm not going to get in the middle of do they really need the equipment or not... BUT! I can't sit here and not say something about the ridiculous idea that the firemen should not drive their big rigs around town (i.e. to the store, etc.) These guys put in shifts that require them to set up housekeeping at the station. It stands to reason they need to grocery shop or stop at a fast food joint now and then. Do you put in a 12+ hour shift at work without a lunch break? Would you like them to all just leave in their own private vehicles so that when the call comes in to protect your life or propterty they have to return to the station, gather their equipment, and load the vehicle first? Or, they could stagger their breaks and send one or two guys out to your house while the rest finish their burger. Good grief! I want them geared up and ready to respond at a moments notice no matter where they happen to be. I can't imaging what you same folks would say if there was a delay in service because the tools they needed weren't accessible to them in the literal heat of the moment. Have some common sense! "

Im_not_saying wrote on Aug 3, 2008 8:13 PM:

" Another sad reality is that some 911 calls do not require an ambulance. These calls would be better suited to someone arriving and determining that further assistance is not needed. AMR makes no money off dedicating an ambulance to 911 - we are too small a city for that, with poor demographics. That is why it ahs not been done before. As far as the 3 engines comment - I see Engine 82, Engine 81 and truck 81 staffed during the day. Where is the lie in that? And again with the "driving to the store" comments. Yes, they drive to the store to get meals and so forth. They aren't cruising the bars, or drag racing down 15th. They go to the store to get dinner and go back. This is so if there is a call they don't have to drive back to the station, get their rig, and then go to the call. Perhaps you would like a ford festiva to show up to your house on fire so they could go - gosh, that looks bad. Too bad we have to go back to the station to get the fire engine to actually do work. But, you get what you pay for. Maybe longview should look into outfitting their engines with gurneys - several large systems already do that, turning a fire truck into a transport rig for a minimal outlay. Also - stores require building inspections. That may be the reason they are there. "

fossagrimmin wrote on Aug 3, 2008 10:44 PM:

" Gosh I could go on and on about how inept the fire departments are,,but why?? no one would listen,,I know first hand how silly they operate,,but no one will listen. the waste of tax payers dollars..but no one will listen,,its a union industry "

twr82 wrote on Aug 4, 2008 8:52 AM:

" Please try to stay focused on the true issue here. It's not whether Longview fire fighters drive around in a fire engine, it's about Emergency Medical needs for the City of Longview! It's about TRANSPORTING the citizens of Longview to the hospital, some for true life threatening conditions. There are many programs within the US that Cowlitz County could follow, however, the decision makers choose not to follow them. Longview could hire a couple of paramedics to evaluate and decide whether the person requires Advanced Life Support transport or Basic Life Support transport. They could staff Basic Life Support ambulances. They could have a contract with AMR or Cowlitz 2 for Advanced Life Support transport. But as I stated before....buying and staffing 3 fire engines does not help with transporting a person to the hospital. "

Im_not_saying wrote on Aug 4, 2008 11:56 AM:

" fossagrimmin - It is sad that you think so little of yourself and others that no one needs fire protection, and if critically injured they should die where they lay. Unfortunately, Some people believe just because they have never had to use something they should not have to pay for it at all. FORTUNATELY most firefighters are protected by a union. That prevents them from only earning minimum wage while risking their lives to save yours. As far as inept, have you ever been in a fire department? Asked questions? Probably not. I strongly suggest people with questions ask the people in charge about these measures - A town hall style meeting should be held to address these issues and more. "

Da' Haba wrote on Aug 4, 2008 12:41 PM:

" While I can't comment on Longview Fire's needs, I can shed light on other ignorance shown here. First, the State of Washington requires 2 hours of annual driver training on all different types of vehicles exceeding 26,000 lbs. This is to meet the exemption for firefighters to get a CDL (an extreme cost that would be passed on to taxpayers.) Many times when you see vehicles without lights and sirens, they are returning from alarms...5500 time a year for Longview Fire (that's 15 times a day.)

Many agencies are now looking at curtailing additional, or non-justifiable use of apparatus, and with good reason. But keep in mind that driving a fire engine (or ladder truck) is dynamically more involved than Joe Blow tooling down the road. Civilians are required to pull to the right when they hear and see lights and sirens, but they are just as likely to vapor lock and do something highly unpredictable.

Personally, I'm all for removing lights and sirens, and having fire engines follow the rules of the road. You call 911, we'll get there as traffic allows. "

Rubicon wrote on Aug 4, 2008 5:30 PM:

" The bottom line is that people need to stop using the ambulance service as a taxi. most of the calls are laughable and not an emergency. "

watermon wrote on Aug 9, 2008 10:05 AM:

" In June, 80 firefighters battled a blaze at Longview Fibre, sapping the entire county's emergency response workers, McDaniel said.

What fire is the writer referring to concerning the June Fire? I knew there was a July 17 fire but never heard about a June fire also.

Thanks,

John "

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