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St. John officials voice opposition to new cardiac rules

Tuesday, July 8, 2008 11:34 PM PDT

By Barbara LaBoe

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TUMWATER — Speakers opposed to new state cardiac rules outnumbered supporters during a public hearing Tuesday, but St. John Medical Center officials remain concerned about the outcome.

“It seems politics are involved and we’ve been pushing that it be decided based on the evidence,” said hospital spokesman Randy Querin after the three-hour hearing. “If it’s (solely) evidence based, we’d feel a lot of confidence.”

St. John and other smaller hospitals want the state to allow hospitals without open heart surgery programs to perform elective angioplasties. Currently, smaller hospitals can only perform them in emergency cases, and St. John doesn’t even do that because officials say it’s too hard to keep a doctor for just emergencies.

Angioplasties involve inserting a balloon into a blocked artery using a catheter. Often, a mesh stent also is inserted to hold the blocked artery open.

A 2007 state law calls for expanding the procedures to rural areas. St. John officials and others say the Department of Health’s proposed new rules — including a requirement to do 300 procedures a year — make that nearly impossible. They want the state to rework the rules before they take effect.

“The rules are going to cut out rural and some urban areas, and that’s not what we intended,” testified state Rep. Dawn Morrell, a nurse who authored the legislation. The health department “didn’t do what we asked in the legislation. ... Rural hospitals weren’t even taken into consideration in these rules,” said Morrell, D-Puyallup.

State Rep. Jeff Morris, D-Mount Vernon, also testified that the rules “don’t meet the intent of the Legislature.”

Supporters of the rules, mostly larger hospitals who already can perform elective angioplasties, said expanding the practice will risk patient safety. Practice makes perfect, and larger programs, with more procedures a year, have better outcomes, they said.

Increasing the number of elective providers also could hurt existing open heart surgery programs at some hospitals, warned Kristine Sinner of the Heart and Vascular Institute at Vancouver’s Southwest Washington Medical Center. She said SWMC’s costly 24-hour service could be “destroyed” if other nearby hospitals siphon away some of the elective procedures.

“A lower volume standard will compromise, not improve quality,” Sinner said. “Not every hospital can be everything to all people.”

State officials said they developed the rules after doing an independent study and consulting healthcare providers. The proposed 300 angioplasty standard was selected because officials felt the 200 favored by smaller hospitals was too low to guarantee competency and safety.

Smaller hospitals, though, claim the larger facilities are protecting their “monopolies” on the elective procedures. They say the latest data says facilities with between 150 to 200 procedures preform the elective angioplasties safely. Also, they said, if they can’t offer angioplasties, it’s next to impossible to recruit heart doctors to their hospitals for all their patients’ cardiology needs.

A handful of patients from around the state also testified, complaining about the time and money it took to transfer from their local hospital to another for the procedure. The added travel and stress hurts both the patient and family at an already difficult time, said Retha Porter, a St. John spokeswoman who spoke about her father’s transfer to Portland several years ago.

St. John’s Dr. Noel Santo-Domingo also testified that holding hospitals to the 300 number may lead doctors to keep riskier cases local in order meet the state’s threshold instead of transferring them to larger hospitals. He added the proposed rules are difficult to understand given that 45 states allow or are considering allowing elective procedures like this at hospitals like St. John.

In Southwest Washington, St. John, Legacy Salmon Creek Hospital in Vancouver and Grays Harbor Community Hospital in Aberdeen — which serves Pacific County — all favor changing the rules. Southwest Washington Medical Center supports the proposed rules.

Tuesday’s testimony, as well as written comments, will be summarized and forwarded to state Secretary of Health Mary Selecky for a final decision. The earliest a decision will be made is July 15. The rules would be effective 31 days later. She also could ask for revisions or restart the process.

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Atrucker wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:37 AM:

" Longview needs a cardiac unit that can do it all.
Going to Portland is not a skip in the park I know . I had a quad bypass done last year.
I also spent some time in St Johns, and wanted to leave much sooner than they wanted me to .The care I got there pretty much sucked, when compared to OHSU. Can you afford to kill people because you do not have the right stuff for the job or the right people . I just do not get it "

El Gabilon wrote on Jul 9, 2008 11:34 AM:

" For years we have wondered how long it will take for the human race to grow up. All of this argument about angioplasties is about money. We are convinced more than ever that what this country needs is a complete National Health Care Service in which medical proceedure costs, equipment, supplies, glasses etc. are priced by the government, and all doctors are on salary. We have been bombarded with lies from the American Medical Association which of course has a vested interest in keeping private practice.The people of Germany, Thailand and many other countries are completely satisfied with their health care systems. This countries health care system sucks as compared to other industrial countries. We are not the best, haven't been the best for years, and need to look at health care as a right of every citizen. National Health Care will help reduce the millions of unnecessary tests and proceedures such as angioplasty used for profit rather than a necessary procedure in any given case. When national health care comes, every citizen regardless of economic status, or job should be required to belong without exemption. Today, far too many within the medical profession are concerned with their portfolios than the health of those they serve. Doctors should be concerned that the general public is beginning to look upon them as politicians are looked upon. Trust lost is not easily replaced. "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:44 PM:

" El Gabilon, I finally agree with something you have to say. To expand beyond the financial incentives for doing these procedures, one must also look at the safety aspects also. Studies show that facilities and physicians who perform more of these procedures have fewer complications and less mortality. Furthermore, SJMC has no physicians capable of pefrorming these procedures, let alone dealing with ANY life-threatening complications. They are relying on transporting any patients who suffer complications. The gold standard is to have in-house open heart capability. There is well founded reason for this. As of now, SJMC wants the MINIMUM munber of these procedures to be lowered so they may help cut the fat hog, so to speak. Well not with my family. Why would anyone risk it? I wonder how many of these so-called supporters will be the first to sue if they happen to have a bad outcome. It's is a simple fact that neither SJMC nor any physician affiliated with SJMC are qualified, competent or proficient in performing stents or angioplasty on an elective basis. NO amount of spin will change that. I sincerely hope for the sake of the public's safety that the state sticks to it's guns on this. I urge anyone who feels the same to contact the state DOH and relay their position on the subject. "

local_nurse wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:25 PM:

" If you paid close attention to the article, you would have read that SJMC is trying to recruit MD's that are qualified to perform the procedures here. I have had my family at many hospitals in Portland, and also at SJMC, along with working at many, I will tell you from both personal and professional experience, that SJMC is far superior in almost every way. Their RN's are much more qualified, their MD's are far better, just because you see more MD's doesn't mean that is better, that just means they are learning....less experienced...more unnecessary tests. Less personal. High costs...!!! "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:11 PM:

" I did pay attention to the article. In fact, I have been watching this issue very closely. As you said, SJMC is "trying" to recruit physicians. This type of program REQUIRES 24/7 available cardiac surgeons. As a nurse, I am sure you know how quickly a patient's condition can deteriorate. Is the ptient expected to wait for a doctor to come up from Portland? No. Instead SJMC is relying on transporting the patient, mostly by helicopter, AFTER the patient deteriorates. Which, by the way, is caused when SJMC intervenes without the proper facilities or physicians. Remember the saying, "first do no harm"? If SJMC cannot deal with the possible consquences of their actions ie. open heart, they have absolutely no business dabbling in these procedures. Period. Spin it any way you want. The fact remains that SJMC is ill-prepared for such an undertaking. I am glad the DOH is seeing through the PR hype put on by PeaceHealth... "

Local Mom wrote on Jul 9, 2008 5:46 PM:

" Rather than recruiting for a cardiac specialty why not recruit for primary care? Do you have any idea how many people in this area are without a PCP? Why not get that problem under control before you open a whole new issue. I also would question 'RN' why do you think that SJMC's doc's are far superior in every way... turn over is through the roof! Do you know how many doc's have left SJMC in the last few years? I have to agree with VonPhister here... SJMC is doing what it can to cut some extra fat off the hog. I'll be happy to take my non-emergent cardiac issues to St. V's. "

Pat83t wrote on Jul 9, 2008 7:53 PM:

" Maybe SJMC should practice the small uncomplicated procedures first without trying to kill people before they take on a huge procedure that I am sure they would have a 100% failure rate. "

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