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New rules could hinder cardiology expansion at St. John

Tuesday, July 1, 2008 11:43 PM PDT

By Barbara LaBoe

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St. John Medical Center officials say a proposed state rule would severely damage the hospital’s chances of expanding its cardiology department and contradicts a state law passed to increase rural access.

The hospital wants to do non-emergency anigoplasties and stent placements and believes a new law passed last year allows just that. But, they say, the state Department of Health’s proposed rules for the procedures will likely eliminate most small hospitals from the playing field. And that stalls the hospital’s chances of expanding its cardiology services and recruiting more specialists, officials said.

State officials, though, say their proposed rules are based on research-based recommendations and maintaining patient safety, just as the Legislature directed.

A public hearing is scheduled for July 8 in Tumwater and St. John is asking residents to attend or send written comments. Local lawmakers are writing letters of support and the hospital even is willing to help arrange car pools, according to its Web site, http://www.peacehealth.org/apps/news/NDetails.asp?NewsID=990

“There’s just a handful of states, I believe 13, that don’t allow this already,” said Kirk Raboin, who oversees cardiovascular imaging and services for the hospital. “We’re trying to get the basis of cardiology care improved for our community.”

By law, St. John already is allowed to preform emergency angioplasties, but officials say there aren’t enough emergency cases to keep a doctor busy. So, instead, they transfer all emergency cases to Portland.

The procedure is becoming routine enough, though, that smaller hospitals like St. John say it makes sense to allow patients to be treated locally instead of making them and their family travel.

“We don’t think people should have to leave our community to get quality care that they could get here,” Raboin said.

Hospital officials see three major problems with the proposed rules:

The number of procedures

The state wants hospitals to be able to preform 300 angioplasties and stent placements a year to ensure there is enough experience and skill at the procedure. That’s also what was recommended by an independent research company that reviewed national statistics.

St. John officials says 200 is more reasonable.

Both sides cite national studies that put 200 procedures as an acceptable minimum for patient safety. St. John says that by keeping it higher the state is bowing to pressure from larger hospitals who don’t want to lose the procedures and the payments. State officials disagree.

“Two hundred is right on the cusp (of acceptable) ... it’s the bare minimum,” said Bart Eggen, executive manager for the state Department of Health’s office of certification and technical support.. “We’re wanting to set rules that gives us the highest assurance of patient safety and is appropriate for Washington. ... And if there are potential problem areas just below 200, then 300 seemed to make the most sense.”

Round-the-clock services

Eggen said it only makes sense if a hospital wants to offer elective procedures that it be able to serve emergency cases around the clock.

St. John, though, counters that some hours of local service are better than the none currently offered. The hospital says it could use its existing expedited transfer agreement with Oregon Health & Science University Hospital for off-hour emergencies — as it does now for all emergency cases.

Oregon patients

St. John officials said the state doesn’t count patients who originate at St. John but transfer into Oregon for actual care. Eggen said that is a “misunderstanding” of state rules. Patients transferred to Oregon are and will be counted, he said.

The proposed rule hearing is July 8 at 9:30 a.m. in the Department of Health Point Plaza East Building Room 153, 310 Israel Road SE in Tumwater.

Written comment also can be sent until 5 p.m. on July 8. E-mails can be sent to John.hilger@doh.wa.gov and letters to John Hilger, Department of Health, PO Box 47852, Olympia, WA 98504-7852.

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Local Mom wrote on Jul 2, 2008 9:27 AM:

" Thanks but no thanks. If my family or myself require any kind of cardiac procedure I am more than happy to travel to the cardiac God @ St. Vincents. "

thundher wrote on Jul 2, 2008 11:43 AM:

" Seconds and minutes count when an artery is occluded. Keep that in mind on the way to a distant hospital. The damage is irreversible.
Everyone can keep complaining about Longview being a backward town. It is easier than looking at the good things that have happened. St. John hospital puts a great deal of money back into rebuilding, remodeling, recruiting top professions, and purchasing new technology. There are no fat shareholders cashing fat dividend checks. It is for you.
Too bad there are more people commenting on articles about their pet's well-being than about the (human) health care system. If you think it is so bad here- go some where else, do something to help, or shut your pie-whole. "

lola*in*longview wrote on Jul 2, 2008 2:53 PM:

" I agree with you 100% thundher!!! I have had family go to St. John for cardiac care and then go to another hospital for the same, I would much rather be at St.John than anywhere else. I have faith in the Doctors there they know what they are doing, if it is too much they aren't afraid to send a patient to OHSU. I recently had to go to emergency for cardiac care and was VERY pleased by the quickness of the doctors and nurses making sure that I would be okay, and here I am...... Thanks Docs. "

El Fuego wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:17 PM:

" Local Mom,
You know not of what you speak. Granted St. Vincents is a great hospital (been there for an oblation). The staff was very nice. Have also been to Aberdeen where the doctor looked at me and told me I did not have long to live, then left the room. St. Johns was very attentive, treated me with kindness and after two years I'm still here. If you suddenly have a heart attack, I hope you make it to St. Vencents in time. Thank you St. Johns, Doctor Donald Zeilenga, Doctor Santo Domingo and Doctor Mark Thorsen. "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 2, 2008 6:49 PM:

" What you people in favor of this disaster-in-waiting fail to realize is that a very high percentage of angioplasties re-occlude and in fact worsen, necessitating immediate, emergent open heart surgery to re-establish coronary blood flow. Something which neither the physicians here in town or St. John are capable of handling. I'm with Local Mom. Take me to St.V's where experience means the difference between life and death. "

lola*in*longview wrote on Jul 2, 2008 7:53 PM:

" Well Girth I really don't care what you think about St.John, your opinion is nothing to me or to El fuego, my father. Like I said in my previous post I have complete faith in all the doctors at St.John, no matter if its Dr. Aaron, who saved my pregnancy and still and will always see my healthy 8yr old or the docotrs who saved my fathers life, Thorson, Zilenga and Santo Domingo. They are all capible and know there limits. Thank You TO ALL of them. "

thundher wrote on Jul 2, 2008 8:09 PM:

" Re-establish blood flow to the heart muscle then transfer to an open heart facility. If you cut your hand off would you not get immediate medical care to stop the bleeding because a proper surgeon was not available to reattatch it? This is not Seattle or Portland. We are not going to have it all, but we may have emergent care available to stabalize a potentially fatal emergency. "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:02 PM:

" Thundher is missing the point. If you have an angioplasty and the vessel re-occludes, often with life-threatening results, you probably won't make it to another hospital for surgery. You want to stay here? Knock yourself out. I will go where the expertise is. Any reasonable physician will tell you that hospitals and physicians that perform these procedures extensively, have better outcomes. It is a fact. Not a facility and physicians that "dabble" in the procedure. We have NO cardiac surgeons at St.John. Although Zeilenga ans Santo-Domingo are fine CARDIOLOGISTS, neither of them know the business end of a scalpel. Just make sure you give me an aspirin, load me up with heparin and ship me south... We'll see who has the better outcome. Again, it's not about caring, compassion, or warm fuzzies. It's about expertise. Who has and who doesn't... "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 2, 2008 10:20 PM:

" And FYI, thundher. If you did cut your hand off, St.John can't take care of that either. Trauma? No. High risk pregnancy? No. Sick baby? No. Brain bleed? No. Thoracic Aortic aneurysm? No. Hmmm. What's left? That's right, not much. But I do have a question. What do you do if you have unstable angina and an artery with 50% blockage, St.John attempts angioplasty and it occludes? Now you have 100% blockage. Now what? I'll tell you. If you survive, you'll be put on a helicopter(weather permitting) and sent to OHSU or St. V's. With the folks at St.John crossing their fingers. "

thundher wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:01 AM:

" Thanks for your professional input. Points made are all very valid. However, if we just give up on providing more for our community we may as well just close the hospital and open walk in clinics. But then again, that wouldn't last because it is a cash for service bussiness. It is about the mission: “carry on the healing mission of Jesus Christ by promoting personal and community health, relieving pain and suffering, and treating each person in a loving and caring way.
I salute you for your valuable input, but I don't want to give up on the good things that can come about for this community and for ourselves. These procedures can and will save lives every day. The physicians and healthcare professionals that give so much today are not the alpha and omega. There will be others that will come. I came to Lonvgiew because living in the big city was expensive and traffic was horrible. Longview has affordable housing and a property tax that isn't the same as my mortgage. I can walk to work and not fill up my gas tank for 2 or more weeks. My money stays in my community and not to the oil companies. I will keep my faith here as well. "

goofyone wrote on Jul 3, 2008 11:45 AM:

" Doing angioplasty is not without risk. The vessel can re-occlude or can rupture. It is important to have cardiac surgery back up available IN THE SAME FACILITY if these things happen. I'll go to UWMC or OHSU for my heart procedure because I know everything is available right there. "

Onion Ring wrote on Jul 3, 2008 12:07 PM:

" Girth--You really need to do your research about St. John. Do you know what has been planned in the 1,000's of hours of meetings to prepare for this? Do you know that they have an agreement with OHSU for this? Do you know that they have already thought out and planned all that you are spouting? If there were to be something happen suring a cardiac procedure, you could be to OHSU within 10-15 minutes via helicopter. Do you know what level of trauma center St. John is? They do have a trauma team. This is not big city, but our hospital provides many more services than you are giving it credit for! "

Girth VonPhister wrote on Jul 3, 2008 7:09 PM:

" I do know what trauma level SJMC is. It's a level 3. That means there's only one level lower. That means no surgeon in house, no anesthesia in house, no neurosurgery at all. You could be to OHSU in 25 minutes by helicopter, not 15 minutes as is claimed. But is the helicopter always available? No. Does it take 30 minutes to get here? Yes. Can it make it all the way to Longview and turn around because of weather? Yes, it happens all the time. I am even more leary of this ill-conceived plan they are hatching now that it seems they're putting a lot of eggs in the helicopter basket. Scary. You can plan all you want, spend countless hours in "meetings". The facts remain the same. Neither SJMC nor ANY physicians currently affiliated with SJMC are qualified or possess the expertise to accomplish these invasive procedures. Period. SJMC needs to stop being a jack of all trades and focus on something they can do... "

goofyone wrote on Jul 4, 2008 12:50 PM:

" I agree with Girth. Loyalty to the community is great but not at the expense of my life. If I need a neurosurgeon because I have a serious head injury or a cardiac surgeon for bypss surgery, I am going to a place where ALL the needed facilities are in one place and where there are experiences doctors and nurses. "

mom247 wrote on Jul 7, 2008 10:19 AM:

" So many people are willing to comment and judge without knowing the FACTS! St. John has partnered with OHSU physicians to provide this ELECTIVE service locally. What that means is having the experience of OHSU come to you and your town where your family and friends (support network) are. Yes...emergent issues are transferred south because we are a smaller community and don't (thank goodnes for us) have the volume of emergent cardiac issues to hire a full-time staff of cardiac surgeons such as those found at OHSU and St. V's. Thanks to SJMC staff for being innovative and creative in bring QUALITY services to our community. "

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