Latinos fear latest bust reflects poorly on their community
Sunday, April 6, 2008 1:43 AM PDT
By Thacher Schmid
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E-mail this articleLatino leaders in the Lower Columbia River area said last week's high-profile bust of the Barragan family drug organization could exacerbate prejudices against Hispanics within the larger white community.
Rather than predicting violence or overt racism, they said the bust is just the latest in a string of sad news for the law-abiding majority.
"I think it's really hurting the Spanish community, big time," said interpreter and church pastor Loren Hanna. "It's just one more thing against them when we're trying to show that they're hardworking."
"Of course it will make it harder" on Hispanics who follow the law, businesswoman Maria Wylie said. "There aren't a lot (of criminals). There are few. But the ones that are, it's obvious."
Independent research on Latinos and crime by groups like the Pew Hispanic Center or Immigration Policy Center have found crime rates among Hispanics, including illegal immigrants, are about the same or even lower than the general population. Nationally, crime rates have fallen in most categories since the 1990s while the number of mostly-Hispanic illegal immigrants has more than doubled, to 12 million. Several of the Barragan crime family members who were arrested were illegal immigrants.
Ethnic Support Council board president Cindy Lopez said the rapid increase of the local Hispanic population has caused more friction here than occurs in communities with established minorities.
"I would say for some people it might be an issue, but for those who already have prejudice, this will probably just reinforce that," said Lopez. "To me it's just another drug bust."
Former police officer and civil rights activist Juan Barela and Wylie said the area already had strong prejudice against those with brown skin before the latest arrests, and that illegal activity has to do with morals, not ethnicity.
Barela said he knows of many Latinos who have been unfairly profiled by local law enforcement, and the Barragan bust won't help matters.
"I tell my people all the time, listen guys, you tell your children that any time they want to join a gang or get involved in drugs, it reflects on everybody."
Longview Police Chief Alex Perez declined comment.
Hanna said the Barragan organization is an example of using the traditionally strong family structure of Latino culture for the wrong ends.
"Family units in the Hispanic community are very tight, so when they go into a business, say the drug business, the tightness of the family is good for their business," he said.
He lamented the predatory actions of the narcotraficantes, who he said target poor Hispanics to send money back to Mexico.
"I know from Woodland and the Longview area they send a lot of money to Mexico, and it's drug money. And how they get it there is using different people, because there's a limit on how much you can send, like $3,000."
"It's really sad that there's that much (drug) trade that goes on in our area, that much money."
Barela said the media plays a role in stigmatizing Hispanics.
"It's how it's printed (by media)," Barela said. "The media doesn't point out that 'Hey, this thing is going all the way around, it's not just the Hispanics.' "
Northwest Citizen wrote on Apr 6, 2008 3:10 AM:
" I am Latino and I say If you do the crime then you will do the time! Black, White,Brown, Yellow, it does not matter you break the law then you deserve to go to jail. "
Duck Hunter wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:08 AM:
" They (Latinos) seem to be more concerned about their public image (or lack thereof) then about their involvement in the drug trade. Read the jail roster and see how many hispanic names are there. If it walks like a duck, sounds like a duck, and looks like a duck...it doesn't take a genius to see where the problem lies. "
wondering... wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:24 AM:
" I'm just curious if Barela and Lopez can tell us just how many of this "law abiding majority" are in the area legally? I have reason to be in contact with hispanics during the week and out of the several dozen or so I come into contact with, only one is here with legal papers. "
An idea, wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:43 AM:
" If the hispanics want to be respected in America then they need to act like Americans. WE SPEAK ENGLISH HERE! We also fly AMERICAN flags! We pay taxes at OUR jobs and don't send OUR pay check to another country when we get it. They say this country was founded on immigrants but the immigrants of the past came here to be Americans and not someone who lives here but is not an American. My favorite saying is "LEARN THE LANGUAGE OR GET OUT!!!" "
My opinion has not changed wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:47 AM:
" I don't judge people on their surname. I refuse to assume that everyone with a Latino name is dealing drugs. It would be as bad as assuming everyone Italian was in the Mafia. If I were Latino, I would naturally be concerned about the stigma the Barragan family has caused, but I would blame the Barragan family for their crime, not the media for reporting it. "
Hmmm, wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:49 AM:
" So Chief Perez what are you going to do about "YOUR PEOPLE"? Are you an American or are you Latino and just live here? The Hispanics and other minorities say they are equal but then they seperate themselves from other races. Equal means everyone is the same. Personally I think they, minorities, are more predjudice against whites than we are against them. "
Image problem wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:55 AM:
" Than police yourselfs. Learn English. Only be in this country if you are here LEGALLY! I am so sick of press 1 for English I want to scream. "
I'm embarrassed for my race wrote on Apr 6, 2008 7:57 AM:
" The arrogance of some of my Caucasian brothers and sisters makes me cringe. I apologize for their blatant racism. They do not represent everyone's views. "
hmmmm wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:07 AM:
" Look at the jail roster. Many, mnay more caucasians in jail than Spanish. Do wrong and you will pay some time for it, no matter the color.
I have known and still know some very nice mexican people in Longview. They are smart, fun, clean, honest people. The ones here legally should never feel the stigma nor should we be putting all of them in one basket! If they have poor family at home, then why shouldn't they try to help them. You and I would!
The illegal ones should get legal or go home. The law is the law.
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I have known and still know some very nice mexican people in Longview. They are smart, fun, clean, honest people. The ones here legally should never feel the stigma nor should we be putting all of them in one basket! If they have poor family at home, then why shouldn't they try to help them. You and I would!
The illegal ones should get legal or go home. The law is the law.
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CHICANOS FINEST wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:20 AM:
" WHY DON'T YOU BLAME YOUR SELFS FOR DOING THE THE DRUGS, CUZ IF IT WAS'NT YOU GUYS DOING IT, THERE WOULD'NT BE MEXICANS IN JAIL. IF THERE WAS'NT MEXICANS SELLING
IT THERE WOULD BE A OTHER RACES
SELLING SO DON'T PLAY THE BLAME GAME
AND CHALK IT UP. "
IT THERE WOULD BE A OTHER RACES
SELLING SO DON'T PLAY THE BLAME GAME
AND CHALK IT UP. "
hmmm wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:20 AM:
" My great great grandfathers was known as a guide for kit carson, his moto "Live Free or Die", maybe expresses itself. "
I don't care about color wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:39 AM:
" race, religion, etc. I am a live and let live. What I care about is EVERYONE being treated eqaully! If you are here illegally you are breaking the law. If your using several people to send more money to Mexico, your breaking the law. I am a law abiding citizen that is what I expect from all others!!! "
fast money wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:39 AM:
" The alure of easy money,you are already an illeagel alien you might as well risk selling drugs make a couple of years worth of wages in a month or so, if you get caught they wont give you over two years in prison.you will live better than you ever have,yes and you can work under the table planting trees or landscape for 8-10 dollors an hour if you get hurt you can go to the hospital for free,if you brought your family they can too.oh dont forget to sign the kids up for its free also since you dont pay taxes! "
I object wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:40 AM:
" to the term "illegal immigrant" used in this article. The term is "illegal alien". "
Oh My wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:54 AM:
" How embarrassing it was to see somebody say that any people bound by a set of commonalities should belong to any other person (YOUR PEOPLE comment in reference to Chief Perez). Oddly, I am not a strong supporter of Chief Perez, but I do feel the need to say that it is just that type of racism that is the problem in our county (not just Longview/Kelso). Tsk tsk, please have the grace to hang your heads and say that while you don't know what the answer is, you're willing to help find one. Clearly, hating a group of people because of their birth place, skin color, language, etc., isn't the answer. "
BE LEGAL,LEARN OUR LANGUAGE OR LEAVE!! wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:09 AM:
" RE:Image problem, YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!! "
Embarassed to be from Longview!! wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:15 AM:
" I'm honestly not surprised to see all the blatantly racist comments posted on here by my fellow Longview-ans. I'm also totally,and utterly ashamed. Can you help where you are born or who you are born to? Is it not every man/woman's right to try and do the best they can for their family (even if it means sending money to another country)? How would you feel if you were born into poverty? Stereotyping goes all ways-and I am imagining that the majority of those who posted the racist comments have no higher than a high school education, and probably have never even left Longview. Educate yourselves, people!!! Racism is SO outdated. "
Play with the Numbers wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:29 AM:
" The only way you can say that crime is going down as illegal numbers are going up is if you refuse to acknowledge immigration laws. If you are willing to recognize immigration laws, then crime is going up in proportion to the amount of illegals coming in. How nice it must be to have the luxery of recognizing whatever laws you choose and ignoring the rest. "
Amazed By Ignorance wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:35 AM:
" I've said it for the 12 years I've lived in Longview. Racism is very much alive and well here. P.S. to "image problem"...take your own advice...that'd be "yourselves", not "youselfs". "
To Amazed By Ignorance wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:46 AM:
" It is not racism, it is respect for the law! Stop trying to blur the issue. "
Drugs are color blind. wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:52 AM:
" Longview people are so quick to judge when it comes to minorities, have they forgotten the HUGE drug scandal involving Longview's wealthiest white people-that happened only a decade or so ago? Why didn't we kick them out of town? They all got out of prison and were welcomed back with open arms! Do your research, people! "
Get it Right wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:52 AM:
" To add to the sentiment of “I’m embarrassed for my race,” I’d say also that I’m embarrassed for my country. Or at least for my greater community. Doesn’t anyone seem to know that that the Hispanics so many people are concerned about are also Americans, whether or not they are in the USA legally? Citizens of the USA are NOT the only humans to rightfully claim the title “American.” America, more specifically North America, is made up of three nations: Canada, the United States and Mexico. Add Central America and South America, and you 32 more nations full of people with the right to call themselves American. Through generations of our own supreme arrogance and self-serving world view, we in this country have usurped the titles America and American as our own exclusively. Just isn’t so. Constant colloquial use of a term doesn’t make it factual. Please people, stop showing ignorance by referring to other North Americans from Mexico or Canada as non-Americans and say it like it is. If people living in this country are not here legally, we need to insist they secure United States visas or become United States citizens, NOT American citizens, which most of them already are. We aren’t the whole enchilada, folks. There’s a bigger world out there beyond the borders of the USA. Even a bigger America. "
To image problem: wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:55 AM:
" "Amazed by ignorance" is right, before you can tell people to "Learn English" (insert an image of toothless yokel) you should probably take the time and learn English yourself. Genius. "
I'm not racist, wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:13 AM:
" I am American and I speak the language spoken here. I obey the laws and say "I am an American". I don't say I'm African American or Mexican American ect. I am an American and proud of it! If I see a Hispanic, or what ever they want to be called this week, I see a person. The problem is most Hispanics I see are speaking a different language and have Mexican flags above their homes. The are on welfare, that my taxes pay for, but also work under table. Sure white people do this too and I don't like them as well but at least they fly an American flag and speak english. What makes me pissed the most is when I see other races not say the pledge of allegiance. "
paparoy wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:27 AM:
" Like one reader says, "It is what it is". As to referring to our local Mexican Nationals as "Spanish", this is not correct. They are Hispanic or Mexican or other Spanish speakers, not Spanish. I am sure they did not come here from Spain. It would be like calling Americans "English" even though they may have no English blood. As for the Latino crime rate being the same or lower than the general population, check out the percentage of Latinos in the jail and prison populations, and don't try to tell me they are there only because they are Latinos. Grow a brain, spine, or whatever, and face the hard cruel facts. "
Reader wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:52 AM:
" It is a shame than some ignorantly blame an entire ethnic community for the crimes of a few. Every ethnic group has its "bad apples". The Latino community on a whole displays excellent family values and work ethic. There will always be ignorant people out there who label those different from them. It is a sad truth. "
again wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:20 AM:
" What shame there is, is this. Too many Latino's turn their head the other way to protect the criminal element in their family and friends. Knock it off! It is "criminal profiling" not "racial profiling". "
Image problem wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:22 AM:
" I guess when you have no facts to back up your side of the issue you can try to focus on a typo. This is about holding all people to the same standard and enforcing all laws. Illegal aliens need to be sent home. Come here legally of not at all!!!! "
ignorance and hate wrote on Apr 6, 2008 11:48 AM:
" There is much ignorance and hate spewing from a lot of these comments. There are many very lovely Latino families in our community. Their Latino culture is rich and centered on the family. For the most part, the Latino people I know are a hard working and industrious group. And most are learning English, but it is not their primary language so when you hear them talk, it will be in Spanish. A lot are embarrassed to use “their English” in front of “us gringos”, but when pressed, they will speak English. So, let’s not profile a group of people based on the color of their skin or how they talk. Let’s not profile people. Let’s not continue with racist overtones in our everyday life. If you find it necessary to label a person, please learn to do it correctly and with respect. "
Not Prejudice wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:17 PM:
" I don't consider myself to be prejudice....however, I have a serious problem when people come to America and won't learn our language. I don't care what nationality you are. This is the United States, if you want our acceptance then try to make it easier on yourself. I wouldn't move to Germany and expect the Germans to learn English so that they could accomodate me. If you are here illegally, then you are a criminal. Do it the right way, learn the language or GO HOME!!! My husband has fought for this country during two wars so that people have the freedom of expression & the freedom of choice. Don't disparage what all of our Soldiers past & present have fought so hard for. It doesn't matter if they are hispanic or white. They broke the law, let them pay for what they did. If they are here illegally Send them packing.
Why does every nationality have to throw out the race card when there is trouble. I would love to be able to say....It's only because I'm white and have people feel sorry for me. "
Why does every nationality have to throw out the race card when there is trouble. I would love to be able to say....It's only because I'm white and have people feel sorry for me. "
Irony wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:20 PM:
" What about the 30 WHITE folks (give or take a few) they busted for selling pills? White people sell/do drugs too. Everyone does. You'd be surprised. I'd put money on the fact that probably 20% of the local WHITE high school athletes are high right now, and they got their dope for a white person. Don't discriminate... no race is more law-abiding than the next. "
HeadNOTin thesand wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:29 PM:
" I would be curious as to what the Longview police department policy about illegal immigrants is? Is there even a policy on this??
Is this why our chief has no comment??
What was his policy when he was in charge of the pd down in Inglewood, Ca...
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Is this why our chief has no comment??
What was his policy when he was in charge of the pd down in Inglewood, Ca...
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BARRAGAN wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:45 PM:
" YOU CAN SIT HERE AND SAY ALL THIS CRAP ABOUT HISPANICS AND HOW THERE ARE MORE OF THEM IN JAIL THEN ANYONE ELSE. IF IT WERE EASY TO GET PAPERS EVERYONE WOULD HAVE THEM AND WE WOULD ALL LIVE IN THIS PERFECT WORLD BUT WE DON'T. STATISTICS SHOW THAT HISPANIC POPULATIONS HAVE THE SAME CRIME RATE AS THE GENERAL POPULATION YET SOME PEOPLE STILL THINK THE OPPOSITE. THERE ALWAYS BE A MARKET FOR DRUGS BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT EVERY MEXICAN IS GOING TO BE A DRUG DEALER.
MEXICANS HAVE DRUG DEALERS AND AMERICAN THEIR CHILD MOLESTERS?
WHO THE HELL DO SOME OF YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE? THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON PEOPLE TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY SPEAK A DIFFERENT LANGAUGE OR SEND THIER PAYCHECKS TO FAMILY IN OTHER COUNTRIES. WHO CARES?
EVERYWHERE YOU GO YOUR GOING TO HAVE POVERTY, DRUGS, AND CORRUPTION BUT ONCE IT HITS HOME EVERYONE WANTS TO PLAY THE BLAME GAME. ARE ILLEGALS THE REAL ISSUE? HELL NO. HOW MANY ILLEGALS PAY TAXES AND DON'T RECIEVE ANYTHING BACK. ALOT. HOW MANY AMERICANS (WHITE) RECEIVE WELFARE? ALOT. HOW MANY TIMES HAS ANYONE SEEN A WHITE AMERICAN PICKING BERRIES? NEVER! EVERY FAMILY AND RACE HAS ITS OWN PROBLEMS BUT IS IT AMERICAN'S JOB TO CRITISIZE AND STEREO TYPE.
MAYBE ILLEGALS ISN'T THE REAL ISSUE. THE DRUG ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT HOME AND THE SCHOOLS. ITS ABOUT HOW KIDS ARE RAISED! THEY ARE THE FUTURE. "
MEXICANS HAVE DRUG DEALERS AND AMERICAN THEIR CHILD MOLESTERS?
WHO THE HELL DO SOME OF YOU PEOPLE THINK YOU ARE? THE FOUNDATION OF THIS COUNTRY WAS BUILT ON PEOPLE TRYING TO HAVE A BETTER LIFE. IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT THEY SPEAK A DIFFERENT LANGAUGE OR SEND THIER PAYCHECKS TO FAMILY IN OTHER COUNTRIES. WHO CARES?
EVERYWHERE YOU GO YOUR GOING TO HAVE POVERTY, DRUGS, AND CORRUPTION BUT ONCE IT HITS HOME EVERYONE WANTS TO PLAY THE BLAME GAME. ARE ILLEGALS THE REAL ISSUE? HELL NO. HOW MANY ILLEGALS PAY TAXES AND DON'T RECIEVE ANYTHING BACK. ALOT. HOW MANY AMERICANS (WHITE) RECEIVE WELFARE? ALOT. HOW MANY TIMES HAS ANYONE SEEN A WHITE AMERICAN PICKING BERRIES? NEVER! EVERY FAMILY AND RACE HAS ITS OWN PROBLEMS BUT IS IT AMERICAN'S JOB TO CRITISIZE AND STEREO TYPE.
MAYBE ILLEGALS ISN'T THE REAL ISSUE. THE DRUG ISSUE NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED AT HOME AND THE SCHOOLS. ITS ABOUT HOW KIDS ARE RAISED! THEY ARE THE FUTURE. "
Oh well... wrote on Apr 6, 2008 12:53 PM:
" Racism is alive and well because it goes all directions, not just whites hating... "
wow!! wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:09 PM:
" Reality: According to the 2000 Census, among all Hispanic persons in the United States (citizen and non-citizen alike), 59.8 percent are native born. Seventy-one percent of all Hispanic persons in the United States are citizens. [Source: U.S. CENSUS BUREAU, We the People: Hispanics in the United States, at p. 8 (Dec. 2004)].
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again..cowlitz county has no idea wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:20 PM:
" WASHINGTON - Nearly one in five U.S. residents speaks a language other than English at home, the Census Bureau says, after a surge of nearly 50 percent during the past decade. Most speak Spanish, followed by Chinese, with Russian rising fast.
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Frustrated wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:23 PM:
" Would the people complaining about "racism" being displayed on this forum please explain what they mean? Why is it racist to expect that any person who comes to this country illegally should have the same rights and privileges of those who are here legally? Why is it racist to expect that people who come to this country learn and use the language this country was founded on when doing business here? Name one country where we could go, not learn the language, and expect the treatment that this country gives non-english speakers. Why is it racist when citizens of this country object to people of other countries flying their countries flag, not only alone, but above the Stars and Stripes, or worse, above an upside down Stars and Stripes? Why when the media discusses crime rates among the Hispanic population must they preface their figures by using terms that discount the fact that many of them are here illegally? It is well known that the ethnic group with the largest count of illegal immigrants, or "aliens" as some would have it, is Hispanic. No racism behind it, that is just the way it is. Sure, they want to come here and make good money and send it home. Ok, I don't have a problem with that, just do it LEGALLY and pay your taxes.. If you come to this country illegally, you are a CRIMINAL. Period, end of story. "
To Barragan wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:34 PM:
" Do Hispanics have the same crime rate as the "general population?" Probably, unless you count illegal immigration in those numbers. How many million Hispanics come to this country illegally? That has to skew the crime rate some how. But you conviently don't want to mention that. On top of coming to this country illegally, a large percentage of those people also commit other crimes, the largest of that being Identity Theft. You claim that "a lot" of illegal immigrants pay taxes but receive nothing in return. How about the large number who don't pay any taxes because they work under the table? Do legal immigrants and US citizens work under the table as well? sure they do, but that doesn't make it right. How many of the illegal immigrants bring their families here and immediately put them on every publice assistance program they possibly can? How many illegal immigrants crowd our emergency rooms when they get a cold just so they can get free health care? I don't care what color an illegal immigrant is, the modus operandi is the same. In the long run, it puts a drain on our economy, and our society. Tell me, what would happen to an American who tried to immigrate illegally to Mexico? Would he be able to get a job? Own land? Get free health care? Nope, sure wouldn't. "
To: Get it right. wrote on Apr 6, 2008 1:47 PM:
" No joke the there are two continents with the word America in there name, and one strip of land in between with America in it's name. I am glad you passed Geography 095. The country from which I am writing this in is called The United States of America. Why do you feel that this makes us Arrogant? Should I start referring to myself as a "United Statesian?" Maybe a "USican?" Would these monikers please you? I couldn't care less if the did. The it works in this society, worldwide, is that we refer to ourselves as being from certain countries. The French don't strictly refer to themselvs as Europeans. Nor do the Germans, the Italians, the Dutch, and so on. Brazilians don't refer to themselves as South Americans, or the Argentinians. It is called pride in your country. You use the name of your country to refer to where you come from, who you are. I am sorry that you only wish to see yourself as someone from North America when you call your self American. Yes, I understand that Mexicans are also North Americans, and Nicaraguans, and Panamanians, etc. When I refer to myself as an American, the rest of the world knows I mean the United States of America. I suspect you might not want to forget that. Millions of us have served and many have died to make it so. "
UW PSE wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:03 PM:
" I love those of you who are saying "I'm ashamed of my county/city." These are not the views of the local area, they are the views of the entire country! How is it racist to say that if someone is in this country, they should be here legally, pay taxes, be able to communicate, abide by the laws, and support our country? Anyone who isn't doing those things is just costing the rest of us money and causing more problems. "
Hey TDN wrote on Apr 6, 2008 2:36 PM:
" Why don't you grow a pair, and do about what its costing this country in terms of money by allowing this constant flow of illegal aliens. Instead of rushing to appease hispanics because the ethnicity of those busted just happened to be that, why not take a pro-American stance as well on these issues. What is allowing illegals to take over costing us a a year? "
to barragan wrote on Apr 6, 2008 4:55 PM:
" My brother-in-law (white) used to pick berries a long time ago, maybe before you came here. Money made here should not be sent to another country on a regular basis to improve their economy. "
Someone wrote on Apr 6, 2008 5:54 PM:
" All the Hispanic haters shouldn't be upset with the Hispanics, they should be upset with all the corporations that get away with hiring people who aren't legal and offer them lower wages. If businesses were forced to double check citizenship, work visas, etc, and pay everyone the same going rate, there wouldn't be such an influx of Hispanics. Just about everyone (besides Native Americans) were immigrants who spoke different languages and it took time for them to know English. Going through Ellis and Angel Islands, not everyone spoke English right away...it took time whether you were legal or not. Does that mean since most Americans only know English that they can't live abroad? We were only one vote away from having German as our national language, so get off your high horse. "
Our politicians have sold out wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:15 PM:
" Now we the law abiding, tax paying citizens need to pass laws that require real ID, checking citizenship for employment and housing. The places that have done this are seeing the illegals self deport. "
I-5 Southbound wrote on Apr 6, 2008 6:21 PM:
" Gotta love how people come up reasons and opinions why we need to except this crap. Bottom line people read the paper it is as it is. "
It's time to hold our politician to task wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:23 PM:
" Oregon's respect for law info can be found here www.oregonir.org. If someone knows of a movement in Washington let us know. Call the politians tell them how you feel. Build the fence and enforce the laws! "
Just checked wrote on Apr 6, 2008 8:29 PM:
" According to the CC Jail bookings list, those that are hispanic (not necessarily for sure, but by name and eliminating those that I know aren't 'hispanic', in other words, second or better generation-known to me- with one parent with hispanic name but not raised as hispanic) there are 316 booked into the local jail. Of those, LESS THAN 5% ARE HISPANIC. You can say all you want about "illegals" and not accounting for those crimes = but we are a nation THAT STANDS FOR INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. I do see plenty of Finns, Swedes and Norwegians on the list however. I didn't notice any Russian names - and not a single Asian. Hmmm...Go sit on your thumb. "
Just my opinion wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:19 PM:
" This is just my opinion. . .I have lived in Longview my whole life and the majority of the meth-heads (aka complete wastes of life) I know are NOT Mexican. Take for instance the bio-mother of my stepson and all her LOSER friends. To all you people on meth out there: get the hell out of our town. We can spot you a mile away. All those times you are paranoid and think that everyone is watching you -- they are, you freaks! Get a life, get a job, and PLEASE stop having kids! "
No brainer wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:20 PM:
" The headline reads, "Latinos fear latest bust reflects poorly on their community" YA' THINK??!!!??? "
Real American wrote on Apr 6, 2008 9:38 PM:
" To "Embarassed to be from Longview!!" and others that are screaming RACISM! Putting the blinders on is not going to make this go away. Look up the phrase "the emperor has no clothes" and maybe you'll see my point. Just as it is supported by the evidence that your run of the mill serial killer will be more often a white male between 25 to 35 years of age, your meth dealers in this case are Latino. We are not racist. We are being realistic. You will not get wise while the sleep is still in your own eyes. "
me wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:09 PM:
" I have never been one to believe that all hispanics are involved in drugs. I realize drugs take over people of all races. However, the scene that changed my feelings towards the hispanic population was when they marched in protest carrying the flag of their country, right down our streets in broad daylight. A true immigrant comes to a new country with the intention of settling permanently there. If that is the case, they should want to learn the language and accept the flag, not continue to wave their country's flag. That was offensive to me. Now, let me say that my husband was not born here, and is a legal resident alien. We do own flags from his country, but the only one we fly at our house is the American flag. If hispanics want to be accepted, please show that you are here to stay, that you have come legally, and you are respecting this country by learning the language and respecting our flag. I haven't seen much of that. "
I also object to.. wrote on Apr 6, 2008 10:12 PM:
" the term "illegal immigrant". The correct legal term is "illegal alien". My husband is here legally and is a "resident alien", which means he is legally allowed to stay but is not yet a citizen. So, TDN why not call them what they should be? "
white lady wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:58 AM:
" Hey,,,,didn't the law arrest a whole bunch of well known white people last year in BIG DRUG BUST? PRESCRIPTION DRUGS? They weren't Mexican and they didn't bring it across the border. They stole it from who ever they could. They aren't any better in my opinion. Too bad the Hispanics have to pay for a few bad ones. Most of the Mexican people are hard working people, very polite, very clean, very much family oriented. I can't say that about some white folk. "
Copperpossum wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:36 AM:
" http://www.fns.usda.gov/cga/FactSheets/reaching.htm
In FY 2006, USDA spent nearly $5.1 billion to serve about 8.2 million WIC participants. Hispanics represent the largest racial/ethnic group in the WIC Program. In 2004, about 39 percent of those enrolled in WIC were of Hispanic origin. Approximately 3/4 of the Hispanic infants born in the United States participate in WIC. "
In FY 2006, USDA spent nearly $5.1 billion to serve about 8.2 million WIC participants. Hispanics represent the largest racial/ethnic group in the WIC Program. In 2004, about 39 percent of those enrolled in WIC were of Hispanic origin. Approximately 3/4 of the Hispanic infants born in the United States participate in WIC. "
White people are criminals, too wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:34 AM:
" Someone made the point above about the rich white people dealing cocaine several years ago. I remember the stories. Lori Rose was involved, a poor little rich girl. And someone else made the point about last summer's arrests of white, legally American pill dealers. People commit crimes, not races. Let's not let the Neo-Nazis use this bust to justify another try at starting up their church of hate. "
jlmontox wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:12 AM:
" Racist headline - this article should have never been printed. This just gives the community an opportunity to show off how racist they actually are. "
Re: Copperpossum wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:54 AM:
" You stated that 39% of those enrolled in WIC are of Hispanic origin? So what! That means 61% are other- probably "caucausian". FYI WIC is not the same as welfare, and provides extra nutrition for pregnant Moms and innocent children, to ensure their health. Also, I support Chief Perez and "his people"- Americans, trying to make a better life, just like all of us... while I'm at it, I'd like to thank a family of Hispanics, the "Guiterrez Family", who took in my three beautiful caucasian children, taught them Spanish, and treated them more like family than their caucasian Grandparents on both sides of the family, their Aunts and Uncles, etc... and to my half-Hispanic social worker, Mr. Mora, I say "Thank you". The Ethnic Support Council is a much needed agency in this redneck town. When I take my three children to the park in this town, the "white" kids take my children's toys, while their snobby Moms don't do/say anything to intervene, while my little boy is crying for his toys! I guess since I appear poor with three children, I don't drive a new car, and don't have a "hairdo", I'm a "minority" here too! "
?????? wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:12 AM:
" Let's just get back to the basics of morality. DO NOT JUDGE PEOPLE BY THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. Sometimes these comments just make me so embarrassed to live in this county. Do you know how many ignorant, "redneck", meth-addicted white people there are in this town? Check out all the "Get R' Done" bumper stickers you see, they make me sick. Besides, do you have any idea the number of young "white" rich kids who are on coke in this town? Open up your eyes people! Do not judge people by their color, but their actions. And as for WIC, the above comments sound absolutely ridiculous. Why would anyone whine, or rant about a program that helps with the nutrition of families? Check out the drive-thru at Burger King or McDonalds and I bet it is full of fat, slobby, WHITE people! So put that in your pipe and smoke it! "
To Re: Copperpossum wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:14 AM:
" As someone that takes kids to the parks all the time I don't believe that any child white, black, brown or polka dot took a toy from your child and thier mother did nothing. That is a load of crap. I have always been impressed when parents that are strangers work together when kids have problems on the playground. After reading the anger in your comment I'm sure you are the issue. "
white=best? wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:26 AM:
" Or what about all the scuzzy little "white-trash" girls who drive around town with their little bumpers saying "Cowgirls need more than an 8 second ride." I mean, how classy is that? WE ARE ALL IMMIGRANTS, PEOPLE. WHAT DO YOU THINK AMERICA IS? I can tell you, opinions of Americans around the world are not the greatest. Other countries look at us and see laziness, unhealthiness, and violence. CLEAR CUT AMERICA, you hicks. While in Seattle or Portland do you ever see the ridiculous jacked-up 4x4 rigs driving around with a picture of a little boy uriniating on random things? Are you for real? Americans need to open their eyes and realize just because you are born with white skin means NOTHING. It is what you do with the rest of your life. "
Blurring the issue wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:52 AM:
" The majority of the comments only want equallity. All people to abide by our laws and our officials to enforce all laws. Immigrants are welcome if they come here legally. We are the only country in the world that has such lax enforcement of our immigration laws. Some of you keep trying to blur the issue with race, how racist of you! "
to Real American wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:04 AM:
" I do not think America is doing much these days to better the world. In my opinion, there is not much to be proud of. What, your president who started a war for no real reason, except money and oil? What, a country where even 40 years ago it was almost considered a crime to have black skin? We didn't even allow our very own citizens to do their laundry or sit at a counter, or even towards the front of a bus. Did everyone just forget the very recent stunt that TWO WHITE MALE ADULTS with ties to our school system pulled? Really, you losers, can't find someone your own age? Didn't one of you even already have a wife? Wake up Real American. Or should I judge you and assume you spend most of your time in front of your TV watching "reality shows." Do us a favor and stay in your own little reality. Us sane people realize that white people make, sell, and do more than their fair share of drugs. "
It's about laws, not race wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:30 AM:
" I have to agree with others here: Illegal is illegal, no matter what your skin color is. Simple fact: People who disregard immigration laws are more likely to disregard other laws & become involved in criminal behavior. In the interests of national security we need to secure ALL our borders, not just the Canadian one. I see nothing wrong with people speaking other languages amongst themselves, but if they plan to be here awhile they should at least make an effort to learn English and obey our laws. (Americans visiting other countries should, of course, do likewise: Respect their culture and their laws, learn a few words of their language, show gratitude when people go out of their way to help you, and don't expect special accommodations just because you're American.) "
Of course wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 AM:
" "Blurring the issue" is correct. The only ones mentioning race are the people claiming "racism" in the comments here. I don't care where someone is from, I want them to come here legally or not at all. Funny how so many comments begin by lamenting "racism" in this community, then go on to make racist, angry comments themselves towards other races. I consider the term "redneck" used in an angry tone to be a racist comment. So stop already. The intelligent commenters here are all for a country made of legal, law abiding immigrants. Of course that is what our country was built on, and what makes us great. But we have to come together as one - people that immigrate here legally are no longer Mexicans, they are "hispanic Americans". But if they came illegally, they are illegal aliens and they need to be deported. "
just thinking wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:06 AM:
" In the dmv has a sign that reads YOU MUST BE ABLE TO READ ENGLISH TO HAVE A DRIVERS LISENCE, BUT THAY GIVE THE TEST IN SPANISH. Everyone should be able to work and make money just do it the right way and help out the country you want to be in or go home. I fought for our country and think that we are being invaded by mexicans. We give helth care to there kids that are born here but I have to pay for mine. We give them food stamps so they can live here I have to work to pay for my food. Go home and stay out of my pocket book. just get out go away. "
wb wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:39 AM:
" TO TDN censor: Previous blog was not posted. I mentioned the three races of the world being Caucasoid, Negroid and Mongoloid there are no other races period. Please refer to your Biology books. When people are referring to racism regarding the illegal alien issue they are more correctly referring to cultural bias. Please post my blog. thank you "
Fencepost wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:39 AM:
" Any 'community' or group will be judged by the actions of its individual members. All groups are affected this way: religions, schools, ethnicities, clubs, fraternal organizations, neighborhoods, cities, nations, and so on. The few that draw attention will cause the whole to be stereotyped. As a result, any group whose members shed them in an unfavorable light must work harder to prove that they are above that. This means never defending a wrongdoer, and loudly and publicly denouncing their wrongdoings, THEN -- and this is required -- the community must 'make it up' to their neighbors to regain trust. Yup, it's hard work, but it's the only way to not be dragged into the mud by those around you. "
Think positive! wrote on Apr 7, 2008 11:42 AM:
" If it's the media that is giving everyone the negative immage then use the media to spread a positive immage too! Attract attention by doing good!! Do positive things to outweight the bad! Display hispanic groups giving back to the community! Make the media work for you!! "
skeptic wrote on Apr 7, 2008 12:23 PM:
" "Independent research on Latinos and crime by groups like the Pew Hispanic Center or Immigration Policy Center have found crime rates among Hispanics, including illegal immigrants, are about the same or even lower than the general population." Notice the names of the two groups mentioned? Could they possibly have an interest in which way the numbers come out? Statistics can be manipulated to "prove" almost anything. In this case, the data included EVERYONE of Hispanic descent (the majority of whom are second, third, tenth generation AMERICANS), not only immigrants (legal or otherwise). I would prefer to see statistics compiled by neutral, agenda-free agencies (NOT special interest groups) that show the crime rate among illegal aliens compared to the general population. (It would also be interesting to compare the number of legal vs. illegal immigrants, broken down according to their countries of origin. However, even if one could accurately count the illegal aliens in this country, if such a study were to reflect unfavorably on one or more ethnic groups it could be considered racist.) "
Mr. Grim wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:21 PM:
" This entire conversation has only served to solidify my belief that PEOPLE, regardless of race, cred or color, are the root of all evil in this world. You know what? If you choose not to do drugs, then the illegal international drug trade will not directly affect you. If you decide to live your life in a respectable manner and obey the laws of the land, then you will not end up in jail. If someone speaking in a tongue other than english offends you, then maybe you need to learn how to speak that language. Hatred breeds hatred, no matter who's spouting it. And from the looks of this blog, the PEOPLE of this area have a long way to go. So just keep posting the poison you God fearing bloggers. You can hide your identity on this website, but you can't hide from the Man upstairs. Believe that. In the immortal words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?" "
ktw wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:38 PM:
" I grew up in Longview but no longer live there. Hello, Longview, the world is made up of all different colors and races of people. This country is known as a melting pot for that reason. Attack the drug problem by nailing the sellers and the users regardless of who they are. Those of you who are posting racist remarks...you all probably know someone of your own race who uses the drugs brought into Longview so grow up and move into the 21st century. Drugs are a problem of all people. "
Wanting legal citizens is not racism wrote on Apr 7, 2008 1:39 PM:
" In reading the above posts, I see the very interesting trend. If you want the law followed, the law that requires people to go through a process before moving to this country, then obeying the laws when the get here, then you are racist. And if want that and you are white well you are really racist. What is wrong with the legal citizens of this country wanting the laws on immigration to this country to be followed. I also found it interesting that the groups quoting the crime statistics point out that by their figures 50 percent of the crime by Hispancis is committed by illegal aliens. Seems to me that if I were a legal Hispanic I would be doing everything in my power -- calling the law enforcement agencies -- if I knew someone was here illegally. After all, look at how fewer illegals would drive the crime rate for Hispanics down. Then the community as a whole would have a great deal more respect for the Hispanic community. As for the argument about whites who break the law. My guess is that everyone who was quote would argue that is a white drug dealer was an illegal alien then we should take action to prevent that from coming into the country. But the fact is, this was a Hispanic crime family relying on illegals to get drugs into the country. The deal was: We will help you if you carry drugs for us. "
To: To Re: Copperpossum wrote on Apr 7, 2008 3:26 PM:
" "as someone who takes kids to the park all the time"- really? You must be one of those Moms too busy talking on your cell phone to watch your kids! As for the kid who took my son's toys- I intervened after asking his Mom if she was going to say anything to her son, and she just gave me a snobby look and smirked,and still did nothing. As for your insinuation that my anger was the issue- I would say by your use of vulgarity (i.e. the word "cr@p") in your post that some self-introspection is long overdue!I've never experienced anything but kindness from Hispanic Moms and they are quick to intervene should problems arise with the kids, and they're friendly too! "
Illegal Mexicans wrote on Apr 7, 2008 5:44 PM:
" are CRIMINALS and must be treated as such. Bind them hand and feet and lead them back where they belong. If they come back (illegally), then toss them in a cell with stale bread, warm water and a toilet, and leave them there for a few months. The situation won't change until we treat them like the criminals they are. "
Wake up, Mr. Grim wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:11 PM:
" Way to twist people's words around, dude! You're making yourself sound ridiculous, though. Are you completely unaware that innocent people ARE directly affected by the drug trade? Addicts often steal from innocent people to support their drug habits. Innocent children are abused & neglected by addicted parents who don't care about anything but getting high & staying there. Intoxicated drivers cripple & kill innocent people. Innocent family members lose loved ones to drug addiction, overdose & suicide, then they're stigmatized & judged by people who want to believe that drug addiction doesn't happen in "good" families (like their own). Have you missed the news reports about tweakers who've caused thousands of dollars in damage & endangered INNOCENT people by cutting & stealing sections of guard rail, phone lines, bridge supports and fire hydrant fittings? Who do you think ultimately pays? The government? Big businesses? (THE TAXPAYERS? THE CUSTOMERS? The guy whose wife died because he couldn't call for an ambulance? The inexperienced young driver who misjudged a poorly banked curve, but would have survived had the guard rail still been there? The mother who just lost her child because some loser wanted to buy a fix?) "
Racist? Check your mirror wrote on Apr 7, 2008 6:34 PM:
" Several people have suggested that a significant percentage of drug dealers/users are in this country illegally and should be deported. There's nothing racist about that, unless YOU are assuming that the term "illegal immigrant" refers only to Mexicans. "
re Racict wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:10 PM:
" You and your post are both jokes. Please educate yourself as to the number of illegal Mexicans versus illegals from anywhere else. Beyond that, drug dealers/users have nothing to do with the general topic. The "Mexicans" referred to are criminals by virtue of being here. Being druggies or drug dealers only adds to the number of crimes committed. Get a clue, ok? Or are you one them? "
not just Mexicans wrote on Apr 7, 2008 7:49 PM:
" Most illegal aliens in this country do happen to be from Mexico (statistical FACT, like it or not) but many are from other countries. Illegal aliens from Russia, Italy, Romania, China, Pakistan, Turkey, Libya, Peru, Guatemala, South Africa, Canada or any other foreign country are also CRIMINALS and must be treated as such. No particular ethnic group should be singled out for special treatment, preferential or otherwise. (Before anyone accuses me of racism: The statement/statistically supported fact "most illegal aliens are Mexicans" does NOT equate to "most Mexicans are illegal aliens." If you can't figure that out, ask a middle school math teacher to explain it to you.) "
Reina wrote on Apr 7, 2008 8:57 PM:
" I am so sick of everyone saying if they're here they should speak our language. If you hate other languages so much, don't speak it. Oh crap I have to push the button for english, how lazy are you honestly? No wonder other countries hate america so much. We're a bunch of lazy, racist, hypocritical jerks, and I would rather be with a hispanic man any day than some redneck hillbilly AMERICAN... It is amazing how uneducated and ignorant some people can be... And granted, not all americans are like this... GET OVER IT! There is no way you can stop hispanic people from entering our country, just deal with it, they are people too, simply striving for a better life for themselves, You would too if you were in the same situation... Not everyone has the time or money to get papers legally... So if you dislike the hispanic race so much, stay inside your homes, because they are here to stay... "
Real American wrote on Apr 7, 2008 9:41 PM:
" I feel compelled to respond to your post. I didn’t reveal my particular political stripe or leanings. Perhaps it was my moniker that provided you a clue. However, you exposed yours as being the usual "hate America crowd" socialist liberal. I am referring to the part in your response where you made the statement "your President. I am free thinking. For the record, I didn't agree with some of former President Clinton's policies or his getting us involved with the Bosnia conflict for example. Still he was my President and I have stated as such many times during his Presidency and after. I don’t agree with some of our current President's policies like regarding our border for example. This is not racism. It is nationalism. Name calling or insulting me (reference- reality T.V. watcher) truly exposes your own political leanings; it also shows that you have no intelligent argument. Most liberals resort to this only to dilute an opposing message. By the by, my moniker "Real American" is simply short hand to represent the idea of respecting our borders, language, and culture as a sovereign nation. If someone is here illegally from Mexico, he or she is a Mexican. If someone with a Latino descent is here legally, he or she is an American. These particular Mexicans in this instance certainly do not respect any of the three things I listed above that define our own identity as a country. Remember. This is not Racism. It is nationalism.
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casual observation wrote on Apr 7, 2008 10:37 PM:
" Why are we worried about immigrants not learning English? Heck, it appears that about half the people posting comments here on TDN can barely speak/read/write English themselves! "
To casual observation wrote on Apr 8, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Aside from a few typos and missing punctuation the post are passionate and for the most part well thought out. You are being to critical of a casual forum. "
former californian wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:17 AM:
" Well I know you people here don't care for us either, but your not racist or bias just ignorant. The one reason I am here after living in beautiful southern CA for over 30 years was to get away from all the illegals and not just the hispanics. I am sick of pressing one for english and having instructions written in spanish, etc. Oh yes and to apply for work you best be biligual. Even my home town in Pa. is now over run by illegals. My grandparents came from Europe, worked hard, learned the language and made this country what it is today. I'm so sick and tired of seeing all the freebies these people get from our ancestors hard work! and God forbid you needed to go to the emergency room....good luck! "
i can't believe it wrote on Apr 8, 2008 10:34 AM:
" here we are complaining about hispanics and how they're dealing drugs and how they are the only bad guys when nobody has even brought up the incident with the WHITE Polygamist Compound. EVERYONE makes mistakes whether they're sick and WRONG or horrible and ruin everything we work for it happens. Not only that but we honestly should all just take responsiblity for our stupidity and get on with our lives instead of complaining about it. "
believe it wrote on Apr 8, 2008 1:32 PM:
" No one here is complaining about hispanics, they are complaining about illegals. Get it straight. "
Hey I can't believe it: wrote on Apr 8, 2008 5:51 PM:
" Of course we aren't bringing up the incident with the white polygamist compound. This article we are talking about isn't about that subject. You must have gotten the wrong forum by mistake. I'm sure your posts over there are well received however. And by the way, coming to this country illegally or dealing drugs isn't a mistake, it is a conscious decision. Writing there when you actually meant to write their is a mistake. Bumping over your glass of milk when reaching for the butter is a mistake. "
Angry American wrote on Apr 8, 2008 9:34 PM:
" I am SICK of all these "get over it" posters. This is why we are on a downslide, those of you too lazy to get off the couch and make a difference, and just live with it because "that is how it's been" sentiment. This is the USA, our national language is ENGLISH, we have our own FLAG, and NATIONAL ANTHEM. My ancestors came here via Ellis Isl. and waited in lines for days upon days before being allowed into this country. They learned the language, adopted the flag, and customs established by this country. They all served, as I did, during the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, and the current mess we are in now. Maybe all these illegal aliens would be better received if they got with the program. I dare you do emmigrate to another country and display another country's flag or even speak out against the present political power and see how fast you get thrown in jail without the due process we enjoy here. "
Rose wrote on Apr 9, 2008 10:02 AM:
" The national language is NOT English. This country is the United States of America. Were you in the American Army or the US Army? That is if you were in the army at all. Did you ever think that the people here illegally? They are refugees from a system that makes it extremely to live a satisfying life. Some tribal people here would like all others to go back where they came from. "
I know this is slightly off topic wrote on Apr 9, 2008 1:34 PM:
" Is TDN going to do an update on the cockfighting (Yes, I know it is two words the filter wouldn't let me use one of the words alone. I will let you figure out which one.) in Centralia from a couple days ago? I just heard on the radio he had to speak through a translator and stated he did not know cockfighting was illegal in this country. I would assume he is here illegally. Will TDN find out for sure and do a story? "
To: Former Californian wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:54 PM:
" I have only one thing to say... go back to california... you folks messed that state up so bad that few people really want to be there, many truck drivers refuse to deliver there because of the attitude towards trucks, engine break usage and cost of fuel. (I left there 20 years ago because of the liberal and racist crap, and I am white!). So just get over yourself and go home if you don't like us "redneck" people. We live here because we like it... quit trying to make it another california. "
To: I can't believe it... wrote on Apr 9, 2008 5:59 PM:
" The FLDS situation in Texas has NOTHING to do with illegals.. it has to do with a cult branch of the LDS church... and the marrying off of young girls to men old enough to be their grandfathers, expecting them to produce children to further increase the population of the group, while ex-communicating the young men in order to keep up with multiple wives. You need to read about it more and gain a better understanding... quit cross referencing what isn't even related. GRIEF
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We need to follow Arizona's lead wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:26 PM:
" Watching the news today I found out they are enforcing the law and sending them packing. Immigrate here legally or do not come. Everyone must be treated eqaul. I am required to follow all laws and so should ALL immigrants! "
Real American wrote on Apr 9, 2008 8:45 PM:
" Thank you "Re: Real American". You adeptly proved my earlier point. "
to former california wrote on Apr 10, 2008 12:07 AM:
" I am white too! Maybe you should read the whole comment and understand the message. What makes you any better of a white person just because you drive a truck? You did not appreciate my view so I have a hard time understanding yours. I do not consider myself a Californian, and to judge someone for living in a particular place is so unfair!! The next time I wave to you and let you have the right of way I will think of you. You see, I was taught to be considerate and caring to all people, even rednecks, long before I HAD to live in CA. May I ask you one question,"What's wrong with being nice"? Being from Ca. or from Two Buck Two, it has nothing to do with the subject matter I was commenting about.
I was just expressing the way it is and it will only get worse. So, who are you going to vote for? "
I was just expressing the way it is and it will only get worse. So, who are you going to vote for? "
gatoraid wrote on Apr 10, 2008 11:02 AM:
" For heaven's sake, get a dictionary. "Prejudicial" - perhaps, "Bigoted" - maybe, "Racest" - not even close! "
and wrote on Apr 10, 2008 3:03 PM:
" still,drugs are coming from south of the border. with the drugs comes the increase in gang violence. it is only a matter of time before we in the local area see the increase in shootings and stabbings. "
To former californian wrote on Apr 10, 2008 5:22 PM:
" Vote Ron Paul... give us back our freedoms, rights and country!!! No other candidate is willing to give us that... the democrats will both take our handguns (if given the opportunity) and the republicans will keep us at war... Ron Paul has no use for BIG government and the agenda that the current well reported on candidates do. The media doesn't cover him because without the agenda of the other candidates, they don't have much to report on... haha "
White Man wrote on Apr 10, 2008 6:51 PM:
" Don't flatter yourselves. English is not that tough to learn. Latinos are just harder working than most of the "whites" who live in Longview. That's why so many of us are so insecure in these comments. Anyone see a link to the number of white kids flunking the simple WASL exam? Even in terms of drugs, the Latinos who sell the drugs are a lot smarter than the ignorant whites who actually use them. It comes down to talent and education. If you have enough of that, ridiculous immigration laws designed to favor ignorant whites aren't going to hold any company back from chasing the talent. "
Thought for the Day wrote on Apr 10, 2008 8:19 PM:
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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant"
is equivalent to calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant"
is equivalent to calling a drug dealer an "unlicensed pharmacist"
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re White Man wrote on Apr 10, 2008 9:45 PM:
" Very nice points. However, even caucasian's relative inherent laziness, insecurity and lack of intelligence (with regard to correcting the problem) aren't enough to overcome the criminal reality of those who dash through the tumbleweeds to join the team. Funny thing, you'd think that if they did have any talent, they'd keep it at home to improve their country and the lives of their family... But then again, one would think that after decades of this, white man would be smart enough to have learned how to shut the gate. Perhaps having them around to do our work for us and buy drugs from is more important... "
re re White wrote on Apr 10, 2008 10:44 PM:
" Do YOUR work for YOU? And who says people around here don't feel entitled or aren't condescending to Hispanics? You're what's wrong with our county, and exactly why the Hispanics will take your job, too. Another bit of veiled bigotry that I'm sure TDN's staff doesn't find at all offensive. You have wonder what it's like to pretend like you care about your town while you watch it rip itself apart with these ignorant comments just for some measly advertising. "
your mom wrote on Apr 13, 2008 2:40 AM:
" If you were to go to Europe, Fransise, germany or any where else and you kind of know the language, wouldn't you like help? "
see it every day wrote on Apr 13, 2008 11:19 AM:
" I have no problem with people who are here legally. I do have a problem with with people who are not. I have a problem with illegals buying papers and running across the border, taking jobs for lower wages and sending the money back home. I have a problem with trying to talk to a coworker and not being able to tell then simple instructions without a translator because they refused to learn some basic english that is offered to them for free. I have a problem with going to the DMV and trying to find a book in english so that I can read up for my licensing test. I have a problem with being unqualified for a job only because I am not bilingual. I agree with the person who said that they should be using their smarts to improve their own country instead of leaving it a third world country and invading ours, where we already did the work. I have aproblem with illegals bieng given social services just because they are new to the country, when I cant even get them when I desperately need them.I know alot of "Legals" who have come here and worked hard, and bothered to learn the language and have worked to better themselves and everything around them. But unfortunately I know more who havent. "
Global Economy wrote on Apr 14, 2008 5:34 PM:
" Ever heard of the Global Economy? Apparently not in Longview. It doesn't matter if it's drugs, fuel, or software. Along with Spanish, plan on learning some Chinese and Russian too. "
law abiding citizen wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:04 AM:
" Washington State could take a page from Arizona. Last year Arizona enacted a law requiring all employers to have on file documented papers for all Mexican workers showing they are here in the U.S. legally or face very heavy fines. Believe me, it is working. Mexican non-papered workers left the state in droves (probably headed to Washington). "
To Global wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:10 AM:
" Why speak english when we've got martial arts business in kelso? That's progress. I want my drug dealers speaking english or I will personally organize a local boycott of their product. "
What Do You Expect? wrote on Apr 15, 2008 8:25 AM:
" Of course a bunch of ignorant, lazy, white, WASL flunking drug addicts are going to be bitter and whine about ever having to learn Spanish. I only wonder why TDN claims that those comments aren't racist or divisive enough to keep from posting. Advertising dollars must speak louder than any sense of decency or responsibility to your own community. "
Citizen wrote on Apr 15, 2008 11:51 AM:
" What a nice article. It reads like a racist drum beat from the KKK.
Let's all hate Latinos because ONE GROUP sold drugs.
Ok. Fair is fair. Let's hate all people from Longview, because the WHITE GUYS THERE DRINK BOOZE AND DO METH.
Fair is fair. "
Let's all hate Latinos because ONE GROUP sold drugs.
Ok. Fair is fair. Let's hate all people from Longview, because the WHITE GUYS THERE DRINK BOOZE AND DO METH.
Fair is fair. "
Just Me wrote on Apr 15, 2008 1:54 PM:
" Hey, I have an idea! You don't like my redneck, bigotted (because I think everyone should have to follow the same laws) way of thinking, whitey ways. LEAVE! I was born here in Cowlitz County. I work 2 jobs, have raised a good kid (thats graduating this year), have never accepted Welfare, speak English, have never done drugs.
Go back to where ever, who cares. The folks I grew up with are the hardest working son of guns you ever want to meet(i.e loggers, fishermen, millworkers, you name it). We got the job done before any of you showed up and we will clean up your mess when you're gone. "
Go back to where ever, who cares. The folks I grew up with are the hardest working son of guns you ever want to meet(i.e loggers, fishermen, millworkers, you name it). We got the job done before any of you showed up and we will clean up your mess when you're gone. "
!!! wrote on Apr 15, 2008 4:53 PM:
" Ummmm yeah english isn't hard to learn and neither is spanish that's why those lil' latino children are gonna be smarter than your mind can even imagine! their the ones that hold the key to our future!!!! those children can speak spanish and english so fluently something far beyound an average americans comprehension. They are smart don't underestimate them, To MEXICANS what an amazing race you get to be!!! "
To: !!! wrote on Apr 15, 2008 5:35 PM:
" As long as they are legally here, that is all I ask. I speak enough spanish to get by, so they should speak enough english to get by. Just my thought, but who am I? just a lowely natural born American of mixed decent. "
Disgusted wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:55 AM:
" Oh my GOD will you people just SHUT UP. Pick up a book, educate yourselves. Don't type until you know FACTS. "
Real American wrote on Apr 16, 2008 5:41 PM:
" Re:Disgusted, If you don't have anything to add, don't type anything yourself. Otherwise, please enlighten us with your educated wisdom. "
American wrote on Apr 16, 2008 11:25 PM:
" Reina,
Hopefully you have a job because if you want to get one as a tree planter, fruit picker, or construction worker then you better speak Spanish because they are holding those jobs and taking more every day..
Did you not read that in Oregon the firefighters holding the higher jobs are getting fired because they can not speak spanish and give orders to the ones that speak no english.....Everyone better protect your job because its going for the cheapest price....God Bless America... "
Hopefully you have a job because if you want to get one as a tree planter, fruit picker, or construction worker then you better speak Spanish because they are holding those jobs and taking more every day..
Did you not read that in Oregon the firefighters holding the higher jobs are getting fired because they can not speak spanish and give orders to the ones that speak no english.....Everyone better protect your job because its going for the cheapest price....God Bless America... "
Shameful wrote on Apr 18, 2008 6:59 AM:
" We should all be ashamed of these comments, as a whole. We can do better than this. We can have a more compassionate and respectful discussion in these comments to resolve our differences and be a stronger community.
TDN can do a better job of keeping these comments to a standard of discussion found in any intellectual, academic setting of problem solving. "
TDN can do a better job of keeping these comments to a standard of discussion found in any intellectual, academic setting of problem solving. "
Unacceptable wrote on Apr 18, 2008 7:01 AM:
" There should never be an "acceptable level of racism" in any discussion of merit. "
For the last time wrote on Apr 18, 2008 9:25 AM:
" This is not about race. It is about the law!!!!! "
The Responses wrote on Apr 18, 2008 5:26 PM:
" The responses to "Shameful" and "Unacceptable" at the time of this post would not qualify in any legitimate intellectual session of problem solving due to their "malapropisms" and lack of a consistent line of reasoning. The world is always moved the progressive intellectuals, not pseudo intellectuals. I also believe that the TDN staff can do a better job of acknowledging this difference. "
A Time To Choose wrote on Apr 18, 2008 5:50 PM:
" The people in Longview have shown by the massive 12.09.07 Diversity Peace March that they are capable of defining racism. The racists have displayed their cowardice along with their lack of support, resolve, and organization on 12.09.07. I believe that the TDN staff is also capable of making this distinction. The confusion must be coming from the TDN leadership. I respectfully submit that it is time for a change in leadership at TDN to reflect the true values of Longview, WA. "
My Choice wrote on Apr 18, 2008 6:43 PM:
" I've been disturbed by the racism and lack of rational exchange in these comments. Too many of these comments lack reasonable merit. These comment sections on racism are not building our community, they dividing it because of TDN's lack of judgement. This is not constructive resolution. This is tabloid exploitation. TDN has had enough time to change and get involved with positive solutions to racism in Longview. I'm cancelling my TDN subscription. "
re : The Responses wrote on Apr 18, 2008 10:17 PM:
" If you see a malapropism, then you must be one of those illiterates who believes the words "speak english?" makes one fluent. Beyond that it would seem you haven't a clue, for anyone who reads this rag once in a blue moon knows their bias toward the topic. How many undocumented immigrants do you employ at less than minimum wage? "
Return To Values wrote on Apr 19, 2008 5:35 AM:
" Good Morning. I guess it's true that the TDN comments have gone negative again. But judging by what we saw on 12.09.07, the negativity of these comments are only coming from 10-15 people who keep posting over and over! 12.09.07 showed us that most people in Longview do want to get along and build a more prosperous future together. I also believe that TDN can do a better job of this by downplaying the negativity and have it's more intelligent staff members, and even reporters, participate by engaging the more positive and thoughtful comments posted here. The last thing that TDN should do is start blocking posts that demand more compassion. "
Sad wrote on Apr 19, 2008 6:03 AM:
" Isn't it sad when ignorant racists are provoked to try and write intelligently? You know they're trying TOO hard when they start using "thus"! I didn't know William Shakespeare lived in Longview! Joking aside, I believe the path of discussion in these comments could be more intelligent and productive if TDN got more involved in eliminating the racism and encouraging more of the progressive, compassionate values that were clearly demonstrated in mass on 12.09.07. "
Game Plan wrote on Apr 19, 2008 5:36 PM:
" Racists will always use immigration and freedom of religion to divide any community. The good people of Longview have already shown their compassion and intelligence by not falling for this trick before. But TDN's leadership has fallen for this trick again. This is one of the articles that take a negative approach and shouldn't have a comments section. It only gives a few bigots an opportunity to slur minorities. TDN's leadership could learn a lot from the heart of Longview about compassion and taking an aggressive stand in unifying our community. "
To Supply and Demand wrote on Apr 19, 2008 5:49 PM:
" I think osama glen beck demonstrated that lesson right before his joke of an anti immigration rally of 12.09.7! "
to Sad wrote on Apr 19, 2008 5:55 PM:
" 1) The real joke is your post. 2) Intelligence is not required to know that you are the same person repeatedly posting under different names. 3) To increase TDN's bias and subjectivity, try ____________ __________ _________ . 4) What does criminal behavior have to do with white supremacy, and what does white supremacy have to do with this article? Since your so attracted to it, you should invent a time machine to take you there - permanently. "
to Game "Plan" wrote on Apr 19, 2008 7:11 PM:
" Anyone notice the recent glut of postings all slanted the same way and all repeatedly calling for TDN to act with even more bias and subjectivity than they already do? Anyone believe for a second that these were posted by more than one individual? So "Game Plan et al," you have made your support of illegal aliens, and drug dealers and other criminals obvious and clear - as clear as your disdain for the law. What other types of illegal behavior do you believe or participate in? Please pick a new name and tell us all about them, making sure to end with a plea to TDN. That way we won't know it's you. "
Disappointed wrote on Apr 19, 2008 7:48 PM:
" I grew up reading TDN. I have a hard time believing that TDN's leadership doesn't see the racism against Hispanics in so many of these comments. This is just too exploitative and destructive for our town. I'm sorry, but I will cancel my subscription of TDN until I feel it reflects the compassion and intelligence that I believe is the true core of Longview, WA. "
Apology wrote on Apr 20, 2008 2:25 AM:
" I can't believe that TDN doesn't see any racism here! I feel terrible that my family has been supporting this in any way. It may not amount to much, but I want to apologize to the Latino people of Longview for this. I've been told that TDN is now blocking posts like mine. I hope that TDN at least has the decency to allow my apology to be posted. I'm sure my family will cancel their TDN subscriptions. "
To Disappointed / Apology wrote on Apr 20, 2008 10:17 AM:
" It is ignorance like yours that fuels this "debate." You really should spend some time educating yourselves as to the definition of racism and how it is not possible to confuse racism with undisputed fact. Example: 1) Illegal aliens (fact) 2) arrested for being illegal and for trafficking illegal drugs (fact) 3) should be deported (law and opinion). Please explain to those of us rational thinkers how this is racist, exploitative, destructive. "
COMPASSION IS NOT ILLEGAL wrote on Apr 20, 2008 11:06 AM:
" There's nothing wrong with treating human beings with dignity and respect, even if you disagree with them. I don't want the Hispanic children of Longview to ever be confronted with the racist comments here. Longview can be more progressive this. I tried posting this statement earlier and it was blocked. There is nothing profane, disrespectful, or off point about this statement. I feel very strongly about this statement and will keep posting it until it appears and share it with everyone I love. "
Free Country wrote on Apr 20, 2008 3:23 PM:
" If they want to cancel their TDN subscriptions, let them. I also think there's plenty of veiled racism against Hispanics posted here. I don't like it. But I know that the internet's a big place. TDN isn't the only place to go to get your news. "
To Compassion wrote on Apr 20, 2008 7:47 PM:
" How bold of you to point out that compassion is not illegal. However, being a criminal and committing criminal acts calls for being dealt with like any other criminal. Given compassion yes - treated like a criminal double yes. As for the hispanic children of Longview, those who are undocumented are owed the same as everyone else, for they are criminals all the same. Why are you unable to separate compassion from criminality? What makes you call anyone who believes in equal treatment for all and or in even following the law "racist?" It seems that you believe in following different rules for different types of people in different situations. Doing so makes you a racist. "
Out Of Touch wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:19 AM:
" The frustration with TDN over racism that I'm seeing in these comments probably comes from an emerging progressive attitude in Longview. Even those of us who want to legalize our Hispanic immigrants have enough sense to not spew the racism seen in these comments that TDN posts. I don't get the sense that people feel like TDN is a part of Longview's mentality of solving problems together. "
to to Compassion wrote on Apr 21, 2008 5:42 PM:
" If you're trying to get people to subscribe to TDN, you're not helping! "
Civil Protest wrote on Apr 21, 2008 6:17 PM:
" I no longer trust TDN after the way it's been handling racism in these posts. The accounts of legitimate, compassionate comments being blocked and pulled by TDN demonstrate a loss of credibility and a terrible attempt to manipulate people of good will. TDN has no right to exploit the struggles of the fine Hispanic people of Longview. I've presented this statement in a civil, respectful tone without profanity. I've been advised to copy this statement, share it with others, and keep posting it until it is seen. I will cancel my TDN subscription. "
To: to to Compassion wrote on Apr 21, 2008 7:15 PM:
" I could care less about TDN or their readership. Was their an actual point to your message? Are you a racist too? I hope not, there are enough around already - as can plainly be seen. "
re Civil Protest wrote on Apr 21, 2008 8:21 PM:
" Interesting post. Of course only TDN knows the true numbers, but I would bet a large sum of money that your "legitimate compassionate comments" have been allowed in greater number than comments in favor of government favoring an honor of the law and the truth. Please post any factual knowledge you may have of this supposed nonsensical treatment of TDN regarding racism in these posts. I believe your post to be a complete fabrication...an attempt to twist the facts to make people believe TDN and a large portion of the community are racist in their behavior. How dare you level these accusations at our area's finest citizens - people who only want to see their community full of happy, legal and law abiding citizens? "
The Racist Has Become The Comedic Relief wrote on Apr 22, 2008 5:27 PM:
" The racist is funny since he/she/it is trying to get a response from people who have indicated that they will stop reading TDN. TDN is even funnier for letting him/her/it drive their readers away while they block posts that would bring readers back. The racist's post get right through while the posts that are compassionate to all people have to keep trying until TDN finally gives up. We all enjoy betting which of our posts will get through and how many times we have to do it before it appears. I bet this never appears. I won't say what I bet to avoid embarrassing the loser any more. "
The Racist Has Become The Comedic Relief Part Deux wrote on Apr 22, 2008 6:01 PM:
" Very funny! I lose! Now try to get those readers back by not playing dumb to the racists! You can help make Longview smarter and stronger, if you want. Side with compassion, not just for Hispanics, but for all of us coming together as one community. Not THEIR community versus OUR community. ONE community. ONE Longview. Either way, it's going to happen with or without you. You know it's already started. Moowahhh! "
to TDN and Community at Large wrote on Apr 22, 2008 7:27 PM:
" Please do not miss that the latest "racist" posts of this person fall under several of your propsed categories that should be deleted or not allowed. The author's posts are nonsensical and a direct correlation to this story and thread can not be established. At this point the author is trying to continue a previous attempt to draw into discussion events from last year regarding a white supremacist meeting. That event has, of course, absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this story - criminal acts being committed by illegal immigrants. The author is obviously uneducated with regard to the definitions of white supremacy, racism, diversity, bigotry, etc. Instead of educating themselves, they have chosen to "spam" this thread in a failed attempt to gain support for their stand that any proponent of legal immigration is a racist, bigot, etc who does not support diversity. These posts present a fine example of the type of posts which should be deleted, and the type of posters who should be banned. I would urge TDN to both post this and to use it and the related posts for reference material. "
To The Racist wrote on Apr 22, 2008 7:38 PM:
" Was there any point to these posts? You ramble on and make no sense in what seems a childlike attempt to persuade people into believing something. In fact, it seems likely that you may be the same person repeatedly posting random thoughts and references to TDN while posing as "multiple" users. In any case, what are you really trying to say - and does it have anything to do with the topic of this story and comment thread? "
truthsquad wrote on Apr 23, 2008 9:25 AM:
" All I want to know is when are our state and national leaders going to start enforcing the laws? It is against the law to harbor illegal aliens-no matter from what country they come. Our biggest population of illegal aliens is from Mexico, and the countries south of Mexico, but that is only because no one is taking seriously the need to secure our borders with double fencing. There are about 25 American citizens killed every day by illegal aliens in this country because of lax or no border enforcement. California is on the verge of bankruptcy because of all the illegal aliens getting free schooling, special language teachers, free medical care (at least 108 hospitals have gone broke)and all the other social support. Our leaders pander to groups like La Raza for votes and for cheap labor. Patty Murray said a couple of years ago that we have 700,000 illegal aliens in this state, however, I have never seen any effort to send these folks back home. How much would social services, health care, schooling, etc. cost for all those Non-citizens? How much more burden will be put on the taxpayers just so politicians can pander for votes? "
Scot Heisel TDN wrote on Apr 23, 2008 9:45 AM:
" To Truth Squad and others: I don't mean to belittle your frustration, and I thank you for making a reasonable comment (no name-calling or mention of guns, ropes, etc.) But you mention the economic impacts of this issue. I think it's a key element of the discussion. Have you considered the cost of sending "these folks back home"? Ethics aside, what would it cost to find and relocate millions of people? Are you willing to pay more taxes to make it happen? And what would the economic impact be? We're talking about a large section of our work force. Great, you say. More jobs, right? But we're also talking about a large section of our consumer base. Don't you think this would affect businesses as well? Is it worth it? I think that this is what most politicians are struggling with. Also, you and others make a valid point about the law. It's illegal. Why do we allow it? Well, people are deported every day. It's not like we aren't doing anything. And what if our lawmakers introduced amnesty legislation to grant citizenship to those who have entered the country illegally? Or at least to make gaining citizenship cheaper and easier. Would you support that? If the borders were somehow secured and everyone in the country suddenly was a legal citizen, would you be happy? Lastly, I'm not sure where you got that "25 American citizens killed every day" comment? Can you back that one up? "
To-NOt Prejudice wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:18 AM:
" If your husband fought so people could have as you say"freedom of expression" then let me ask you this
Is freedom expression the right to speak whatever language one sees fit as in spanish or english, I thought so
You may just be prejudice and racist "
Is freedom expression the right to speak whatever language one sees fit as in spanish or english, I thought so
You may just be prejudice and racist "
Scot Heisel TDN wrote on Apr 23, 2008 11:29 AM:
" Is it possible for anyone in this community to discuss U.S. immigration policies or the social problems we face without throwing around names? Seriously, at least 80 percent of the comments on this thread involve people lobbing insults back and forth. I understand many people are very passionate about these issues. That doesn't mean we can't have a rational dialogue. Also, I'd just like to say that the more you toss the term "racism" into the discussion, the more you diminish the impact of the idea. When people hear it over and over, they tend to block it out and dismiss your comment on principle alone. Let's try to focus on the issues and what needs to be done. "
truthsquad wrote on Apr 23, 2008 2:16 PM:
" To Scott Heisel: If you ever watch Lou Dobbs, you would see plenty of stories of how our broken borders are affecting this country in so many ways. I`m sure there is plenty of info on his website. One terrible injustice emanating from this mess is the country`s first two political prisoners, Ramos and Compean,(can`t recall their first names offhand) two heroic, brave Border Patrol agents who tried to arrest a drug dealer who had a van full of 800 pounds of drugs. They were arrested on the false testimony of the drug dealer whom Johnny Sutton used to persecute these two fine men. The BP agents each got ten years added to their sentence because they had guns and were using them to try to stop a crime. Now Davilla(sp.?) has confessed, but I see no move to free the officers. Amnesty? Sending illegals back? President Eisenhower sent back 13 million illegals in two years. If the jobs and services and coddling are stopped, many of them will return home on their own. Arizona cracked down and it made a huge difference. There is a politically incorrect Sheriff (Arpaio?) who regularly arrests and sends back illegal aliens. 25 deaths a day: auto accidents, criminal acts. Why couldn`t we use non-violent prisoners to pick the vegetables? We use them to pick up trash. I`m sure it would be good for their character to learn about hard labor. "
Nice wrote on Apr 23, 2008 4:41 PM:
" Well said truthsqud. I could not agree more, as do I am sure a good percentage of our area's population. "
Teach The Children wrote on Apr 23, 2008 5:37 PM:
" They always say we need Hispanics to do the jobs white Americans don't want to do. When I was young, I went and picked berries every summer. It was hard, hot work but it didn't hurt me one bit. On the contrary, it taught me the value of a hard days work. When did it become politically and societally incorrect to teach children this lesson? The government is "worried about" childhood obesity but getting a summer job is no longer allowed. I JUST DON'T GET IT! "
Inclusion wrote on Apr 23, 2008 5:51 PM:
" This conversation has steered towards totally being about deportation. That still doesn't solve the problem of the isolation that Latinos face in our community. This creates dangerous social tensions that will make problems even worse. Even the title of this article refers to Latinos and THEIR community. We can go round and round about the immigration laws, but we have more immediate control in solving the vital task of easing those dangerous tensions by making sure Latinos know that they are a part of OUR community. "
I agree with truthsqaud wrote on Apr 23, 2008 8:55 PM:
" They will go home on their own if all the freebies were eliminated. I also believe that if the illegals were gone the hispanic community that has come here legally would get the respect they deserve. "
RED wrote on Apr 24, 2008 9:01 AM:
" It does not matter what color your skin is, there will always be that 10% that screw it up for everyone else. "
Just Me wrote on Apr 24, 2008 1:57 PM:
" To all of you that think these posts should be edited because they offend. Please refer to the "Bill of Rights" see; freedom of speach. Just because you don't like what I say doesn't mean I don't have the right to say it. "
To Truthsquad wrote on Apr 24, 2008 3:04 PM:
" You can gripe and make recommendations about the problem of illegal immigration all you want but the problem will not be solved because somebody is making money off of it. It all comes down to greed and favors, and you're not receiving either so you're mad, as you should be. But you don't make or enforce the laws - they do. And you aren't going to get enough Americans to work together to change anything (we can't even agree on anything most of the time), so nothing will get done. America is not a democracy and you are not fairly represented. It's unfortunate but true. "
I dont agree wrote on Apr 24, 2008 4:12 PM:
" Communities are stepping up and passing local laws about employing and renting to illegals. Arizona is the leader thanks to the sheriff but other towns and counties are voting for change. The politicians will fight it every step of the way but people are getting signatures to get initiatives on the ballots and those initiatives are passing. This is what must happen. We must honor the generations of people that have fought and died for our country. If we can not count on our elected officials to enforce the law we the law abiding, tax paying voters must insist! "
to To Truthsquad wrote on Apr 24, 2008 5:27 PM:
" LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT BABY!!!!.. Just kidding! If you really felt we couldn't change anything, you wouldn't be posting here.. or you're just really sick and pathetic. But really, if it is just a dirty game, as you describe it, why not play dirty, too? Not that I recommend it. I think we just need to play smarter than the crooks. It's been done before. The only reason any of are still here is because someone was smarter than the nihilists. So, turn than frown upside down little bear! Get a love life, or change the one you've got. Anything to stop depressing the rest of us Do Gooders. "
mbrown wrote on Apr 25, 2008 10:06 AM:
" Some interesting comments here. I get tired of hearing the word "racism" when people complain about illegal immigration. What I don't understand, is why anyone thinks it is ok to break laws and come to this country illegally. I don't understand why this State government doesn't do something about it. For anyone to say that illegal immigration doesn't cost Billions of dollars every year to the taxpayer is ridiculous. What bothers me a lot is, they send the bulk of their money home, they protest for their rights as non-citizens while waving their home country flags, they do not want to become citizens to become "American", and they utilize every benefit they can get from the legal taypaying Citizen. That Mexican flag flying made me lose any compassion I might have had for their situations.
If a society does not have laws, and if those laws are not enforced, chaos occurs...chaos is occurring nationwide over this issue.
And when I heard that a noncitizen from Mexico had an active voter registration card, I went through the roof. Washington State has made a mockery of our voting rights by giving illegal aliens driver licenses and doing the Motor Voter law WITHOUT verifying citizenship. This affects every legal citizen and truly makes this state a laughingstock. We have no idea as to how many illegals are voting in the elections in this State. Our basic rights have been violated by noncitizens being allowed to vote. "
If a society does not have laws, and if those laws are not enforced, chaos occurs...chaos is occurring nationwide over this issue.
And when I heard that a noncitizen from Mexico had an active voter registration card, I went through the roof. Washington State has made a mockery of our voting rights by giving illegal aliens driver licenses and doing the Motor Voter law WITHOUT verifying citizenship. This affects every legal citizen and truly makes this state a laughingstock. We have no idea as to how many illegals are voting in the elections in this State. Our basic rights have been violated by noncitizens being allowed to vote. "
To mbrown wrote on Apr 25, 2008 5:32 PM:
" The only thing I find disturbing in your statement is that the sight of the Mexican flag makes you lose any compassion. For all Mexicans? That's one joke that's not going to ease any tensions. And you don't understand why people associate your stand with racism? How can anyone take you seriously or have any reason to feel compassion for YOU with your line of reasoning? Your approach to this is why immigration reform has been at a stalemate. "
Hey mbrown wrote on Apr 26, 2008 12:59 PM:
" Waving the flag of another country doesn't make you disloyal to the U.S.. Ask the Irish and Italians. The Global Economy is not centered around the English language. Any American who truly wants our economy to be competitive will know how to speak another language other than English. Get over your ignorance and insecurity. Try living in reality. Your posts aren't raising the level of intelligence of these comment sections. You're a good reason why TDN should scrap comments all together. "
Jose wrote on Apr 27, 2008 9:00 AM:
" Quiero decir todos los Mexicanos que pueden leer esto, que la gente que estan en esta pais sin papeles es la problema mas grande para nosostros y necesitamos loparar! Estoy tan cansado de todo los problemas que tememos aqui gracias a ellos. Los ciudadanos de otra paises no pueden trabajar en nuesto pais o obtainar permiso a hacer qualquier cosa. La gente de aqui tenen razon contra nosotros! El tiempo es ahora para tener una systema de cedula para los estados unidos para verificar quien tenne la direchos ser aqui y los otros estan criminales para deportar! "
Thank You TDN wrote on Apr 27, 2008 10:05 AM:
" ...for clarifying that anyone waiving a Mexican Flag is an illegal alien invader from planet Mexico. I'll make sure my kids are ready for that one when it shows up on the WASL. I don't believe in any global economy too. Somebody told me that the Chinese recently tested a missile that shot down one of our weather satellites in space. Even if it were true, it just goes to show that they aren't smart enough to shoot down one of our military communication satellites. The Chinese can't be that smart if they aren't even smart enough to speak English, on a regular basis. As long as they keep wallowing in their third world rice based economy, we'll continue to dominate with good old U.S. companies like Longview Fibre leading the way on the cutting edge of technology and innovation. "
Funny thing wrote on Apr 27, 2008 1:38 PM:
" It is a sad day in this country when we allow illegal aliens the right to freely display their flag of choice and to use their language of choice but at the same time can't find it within ourselves to enforce the laws they break by their mere presence here - not too mention the unnecessary burden they present to our social services - in effect theft from honest American citizens... those who deserve and have actual need for them. "
mbrown wrote on Apr 27, 2008 4:42 PM:
" Good Grief. This article is about a drug bust, Latinos, and that prejudice will likely be increased because of the drug bust. My comments were pointed to the illegal people that are in this country. It is a huge nationwide problem. Marching and protesting and demanding rights when a person is in this country illegally is bad. And waving the Mexican flag while demanding rights (as an illegal)is a flagrant affront to most Americans. Being here without documentation is breaking the law. English is the common language of the USA. I certainly did not say that it isn't good to speak more than one language. If I went to any other country, I would do it legally and certainly expect to converse in that county's native/common language. If people wish to become American citizens, then it should be done properly.
This article is not about the Italians or the Irish, nor is it about the global economy.
I don't appreciate my comments being twisted in such ways. "
This article is not about the Italians or the Irish, nor is it about the global economy.
I don't appreciate my comments being twisted in such ways. "
To Funny thing wrote on Apr 27, 2008 4:53 PM:
" Well, which is it? Is it a funny thing or a sad day? Alien or Predator? Nobody likes a flip flopper. Who needs any more confusion in their lives? "
MEXICO IS NOT A RACE wrote on Apr 28, 2008 2:27 AM:
" People, please. Mexico is not a race. Puerto Rico is not a race. Cuba is not a race. Etc. Etc. Is being American your race? No. These are COUNTRIES. Most Mexicans ARE of the caucasian race. You look ignorant yourself when you call people ignorant racists and they are putting down people of their own race! ETHNICITY is the word you are looking for. They are ethnicists, not racists. On the other hand, they might be both. "
To MEXICO IS NOT A RACE wrote on Apr 28, 2008 8:31 AM:
" You are the one that looks ingnorant. This is not about color, race, religion or any other hot button issue. This is about the LAW! Immigrants that come here legally are welcome. ILLEGAL ALIENS are not! I agree with mbrown and I don't like the way his/her comments were twisted either. This is about eqaulity and holding all people to the same standards and laws. I challenge all the nay sayers to go to the country of your choice illeagally and wave the stars and stripes and demand rights and see how you are recieved. "
To To MEXICO IS NOT A RACE wrote on Apr 28, 2008 2:27 PM:
" Um, no, the story isn't about illegal immigration laws. It is about people stereotyping Latino people. Sorry, but it's my pet peeve when people call others racists when it's clear they don't know even know what racist means. Before people think they are educated enough to determine if others are ignorant racists, the least they could do is lose their own ignorance and learn the difference between race and ethnicty. Comprende? "
To To To MEXICO IS NOT A RACE wrote on Apr 28, 2008 3:42 PM:
" No I don't Comprende! Illegal is illegal. It is the ILLEGAL ALIENS that are putting the latino people in a bad light. If the latino people are worried about stereotyping they would come here LEGALLY and we would not be having this conversation. I heard somewhere 1 in 2 are here ILLEGALLY. I would love to know if that is true. Does anyone know? "
mbrown wrote on Apr 28, 2008 5:24 PM:
" Illegal immigration was part of the drug bust. In the article, authorities state that some of the arrested were illegal, but that the total number of illegals was not known for sure. The huge number of illegals in this country (of which the majority are from south of the border) gets interwoven into these kinds of issues.
About the 1 in 2 are here illegally, I don't know. I have read 10-12 million, 12-20 million, and 38 million. The number is unknown.
This website might give you some good information: numbersusa.com "
About the 1 in 2 are here illegally, I don't know. I have read 10-12 million, 12-20 million, and 38 million. The number is unknown.
This website might give you some good information: numbersusa.com "
Excellent Debate wrote on Apr 28, 2008 6:56 PM:
" However, let us not lose sight of the fact that one illegal alien is one too many. At the same time let us hope the change in government will finally lead to policies geared toward ridding the country of most of them. Some temporary amnesty should be allowed, but the focus should be on 1) strengthening our borders (force allowed as necessary), followed by 2) mass deportations. Anyone who wants to be here should be afforded that opportunity - by following the same procedure as in place for anyone from anywhere. No more free border crossings, no more free social benefits, no more free food, no more "free" car insurance, no more free healthcare, no more "free" American babies, no more free education, no more taking what is yours, no more taking what is mine,.....no more, no more, no more. "
racism ignorance hatred TDN wrote on Apr 28, 2008 9:05 PM:
" I can't help but wonder if this pure vitriol is just inspired, or appreciated by the Daily News. After reading more comments than I can really stomach, it's hard to remember what the article was about, or if it was just an excuse for a bunch of ignorance to sling hatred and racism, and drain their blackened hearts of whatever filth is left. White people, and americans fuel the drug trade- We consume more drugs than any other country BY FAR; Another one I hadn't seen mentioned is that many of these hispanics are POOR PEOPLE. And, when faced with the hatred and racism blatently expressed in these comments (God save Cowlitz county from the whites with money) it's really no wonder why some might decide to deal in drugs to send money home, if they didn't before. Shame on you Daily News, I hope you haven't filtered out the positive comments to make this seem like a worse hateful cesspool than it already is- And Shame on you hateful ignorant racist Cowlitz County commenters, i only hope that TDN has filtered out the good voices, because if not, this place deserves the worst that comes to it. WAKE UP PEOPLE, it's a big world out there, and just finding something, someone, or a race of people to blame gets us to the ugly end sooner than later. "
Re racism ignorance hatred TDN wrote on Apr 28, 2008 10:31 PM:
" Are you serious? If so, please reply by specifically replying to a few of those comments you believe "sling hatred and racism." If you do so, you will be judged openly, based upon your comments. If you don't provide any evidence, people will be left to react based upon your opinion alone, with no evidence to back yourself up. For example, consider the comment preceding yours. If you are like many others who post regarding this topic, you would call this person an "ignorant racist," etc. In reality, considering fact and definition, that post has nothing to do with ignorance, nor does it have anything to do with racism. Also - your approval of the drug dealing by illegal aliens as ok because of financial status is confusing at best - so much so that it seems you end by calling for the United States and its great neighbor to the south to erase their common border and join together as one. Is this true? "
Re racism ignorance hatred TDN wrote on Apr 29, 2008 6:37 AM:
" You must have missed a few comments let me summarize for you. There are comments like yours hateful and racist. The rest are a lively debate about legal vs illegal. The comments about law rarely have hate they ask for eqaulity, they ask for nothing more than our immigration laws to be enforced. The comments like yours ask for special treatment for a specific group based on color, race, economic background etc. "
What about the rest wrote on Apr 29, 2008 11:24 AM:
" If you read the daily police blotter most drug arrests on people with "American" surnames, where do we ship these people off to because certainly they are a drain on society also. Did you know if you are a "real american" and you are a drug addict or an alcoholic you can get all sorts of freebies from the state to support your habit just by virtue of having been born in the US? "
mbrown wrote on Apr 29, 2008 1:42 PM:
" I hope you all looked up the dictionary definitions of ethnic, ethnicity,race, racist, and racism. They basically look interchangable in language usage to me. Just to me that is..draw your own conclusions.
The comment about the US consumption of drugs is totally correct and it adds to the problem of this article about the drug bust, Latinos, and possible increased prejudices.
Trying to keep it simple so I don't appear too ignorant. "
The comment about the US consumption of drugs is totally correct and it adds to the problem of this article about the drug bust, Latinos, and possible increased prejudices.
Trying to keep it simple so I don't appear too ignorant. "
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