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St. John Medical Center's relationship with Oregon Health & Science University may have saved the life of Cam Hanna, 52. Bill Wagner / The Daily News

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A Heartbeat Away

Sunday, March 30, 2008 6:13 AM PDT

By Barbara LaBoe
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When Cam Hanna went to St. John Medical Center with chest pains earlier this month, the Castle Rock resident had no idea he'd soon be in a helicopter bound for a Portland operating room. He also didn't know the trip was part of a new partnership with Oregon Health & Science University that officials say will improve all aspects of cardiac care in Longview.

But Hanna, 52, said he was amazed at how quickly the transfer took place.

"I was at the hospital (in Longview) at 10 a.m., and I was in the operating room down there by 11:15," he said Wednesday. "They took me off the helicopter with the blades still going, and the next thing I knew I was on the surgery table. ... It was like poetry in motion."

That's exactly what officials at both hospitals want to hear about their new working relationship.

Short-term, the partnership has sped up how acute heart attack patients like Hanna are treated and transferred to Portland. Long-term, it should mean more cardiologists and services available in Longview and more chances to collaborate with experts at OHSU.

"It really is a tremendous opportunity to continue to augment the wonderful cardiovascular service that's already been developed at St. John," said Dr. Joaquin Cigarroa, associate chief of cardiology and director of the cardiac catheterization laboratories at OHSU. "And the most important part is that the patients stand to benefit the most from this."

The most immediate impact, though, is apparent in heart attack patient transfers.

When acute heart attack patients come to the emergency department there are two treatment options: inserting a stent in a catheterization lab to open up a blocked artery, or administering clot-busting medicine, Cigarroa said.

The stent, a small mesh tube that props open an artery, is the preferred method of treatment - but only if it can be inserted within 90 minutes. Stents are sometimes inserted after longer periods, but if doctors know there's going to be a delay, clot-busting medication is the better bet. But for best results, the medicine should be given within 30 minutes of a patient's arrival - well before the stent timeline runs out.

So watching the clock is crucial, Cigarroa said.

St. John's cath lab is not licensed to insert stents, meaning that in the past - with the clock ticking - doctors had to call regional hospitals to see if they had room to take a Longview patient. The discussion also included insurance information and other details that tended to delay the critical decision.

"Before you know it, 30 to 40 minutes have passed and now the transfer has to be arranged" because the window for drug intervention has passed, Cigarroa said. "And the average time once transfer was arranged was 180 minutes, so many patients had their treatment delayed."

With the partnership, all acute heart attack patients at St. John now go to OHSU automatically and there's no wondering if they'll be accepted. Life Flight also has agreed to launch for all needed transfers, even if it means turning back if the situation changes, said Cal Lantz, St. John's vice president of professional services.

"Now, a simple call is made," which launches the entire new protocol, Cigarroa said.

The change allows St. John to get someone from its emergency department into an operating suite at OHSU within 90 minutes of arrival at St. John.

Patient transfers started in late fall, but the full-fledged program debuted earlier this month with an 88-minute transfer. Several dozen patients have been transferred since the initial trial phase began.

It wasn't an easy task, though.

St. John, OHSU and Life Flight officials all had to work together to ensure the transfer times would work, as did many members of their staffs, Lantz said. The flight itself takes about 20 minutes, but patients must be prepped and ready for transport before they're ever loaded into a helicopter. And even relatively simple things, like the type of IVs and tubing used, had to be standardized between St. John, OHSU and Life Flight to eliminate costly time spent switching between systems.

"We've been able to shave off 15 minutes of transfer time with that (coordination)," Cigarroa said. "And this isn't something that just happens by accident."

"It's like a baton race where you're passing that thing off to the next person, and everything was really smooth," Hanna said of his own transfer. He was released from OHSU two days later and already is back at work as a construction project manager in Portland.

The partnership came about because St. John has been trying for some time to increase its number of cardiologists. Currently there are two, but there's a need for four. That means waits for elective procedures can be months, though emergency cases are always seen right away, said St. John's Dr. Noel Santo-Domingo.

Cardiologists are a hot commodity nationwide, so attracting the

doctors to Longview has been a struggle. The hospital even sent out 10,000 postcards to cardiologists across the country a year ago, hoping to drum up new candidates.

One of those postcards caught Cigarroa's attention, and he and his OHSU bosses decided to partner with St. John.

"One of our strong commitments as an academic medical center, and as a personal commitment for me, is to look around the various communities to see if there is a need and a desire to enhance services on site," Cigarroa said. "Being part of the community is important."

What's resulted is the heart attack transfer partnership, as well as a plan for OHSU to hire two doctors who will live in Longview and practice at St. John four days a week. The doctors, who will start as soon as they can be recruited, will spend the remaining weekday at OHSU working on research or other projects.

"It's important the doctors live in the Longview area, but the ability to spend a day a week at the university, I think, will allow us to attract more individuals," Cigarroa said. "It sort of rounds out the experience for the person."

Cigarroa and other OHSU doctors also are making clinic rounds in Longview and conducting training for staff here. And, through telemedicine and electronically transferred records and scans, St. John doctors can consult with OHSU specialists in real time instead of sending a patient south for a second exam.

The partnership is not costing St. John any additional money, Lantz said. Hospital spokesman Randy Querin said the cost for patients also is the same regardless of whether it's a St. John or OHSU doctor treating them. Patients will be billed by St. John for all treatment, and then the hospital will in turn bill OHSU.

The staffing of OHSU doctors in Longview also means that patients won't have to travel to Portland as often for follow-up visits. And it should allow St. John to add more specialty clinics such as one geared specifically for heart failure patients.

And, pending state approval, the hospital hopes to expand its catheterization lab services as part of a $7 million remodel and expansion of its lab and radiology department this fall, said Lantz. This PeaceHealth expansion is separate from the ongoing $46 million hospital tower renovation.

The hospital's existing lab allows doctors to perform some procedures, such as placing pacemakers, but they need additional capacity and state approval to start doing surgical angioplasties and inserting stents. Eventually, officials would like to save patients the time and expense of a flight to Portland. Officials also would like to be able to do non-emergency stent work to further keep care and patients local, Lantz said.

"We're not going to stop here," said Santo-Domingo. "We'll continue to expand our services."

"This is step one, but it's really just the beginning," added Cigarroa.

As far as Hanna is concerned, though, the first part of the partnership is a complete success.

"In the past you maybe heard something negative about St. John, and you never know what to expect when you head to the emergency room like that," he said. "But we were so impressed. They really brought their A game."

Debbie Burchett wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:41 AM:

" My mother recently suffered a heart attack and while treated at St. John's for a week, was eventually transferred to the OSHUA Cardiac Unit. I have never seen such exemplary, professional and nurting care as I witnessed at both St. John's and OSHU. All of the staff at both faclilties could not have been more caring or concerned. I received phone calls and updates from the nurses and physicians and I am so grateful not only for their intervention but for the cooperation between the two facilities.

They would not release my mother until they were completely convinced that not only was she no longer in danger but also was mobile again.

My mother is now home and recuperating and it would not have been possible without both the intervention of St. John's and OSHU.

I had heard bad press about St. John's but I could not have located a better facility if I had tried. "

OK ? wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Why is St. Johns bragging about having to transfer a patient to another hospital. It sounds like they are proud of being a second rate hospital. "

Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:11 AM:

" It is a good thing St. Johns is doing this. You carry your own medivac insurance from Lifeflight for $50 a year for your whole family you are covered for the $35,000 helicopter transfer.

I am glad to see the hospital make the effort to save more people by getting them to OHSU ASAP. Our local hospital simply does not have the staff to do what OHSU does to save lives of heart patients.

Now it is up to the community to make sure they are INSURED so that this service is paid for and we don't have to have the car washes and collections every time someone is medivac'd to OHSU. Please get insured! ! ! ! "

Hey, Cam! wrote on Mar 30, 2008 9:22 AM:

" I'm so happy your ok! I was thinking of you the other day and said a prayer for you. You've always been a great role model to me, I love ya Cam! "

French wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:22 AM:

" Cam, I'm sooo happy to hear you're okay!! I hope things continue to improve!! "

To Citizen... wrote on Mar 30, 2008 10:30 AM:

" Do you think that it is my CHOICE to not be insured? I'm a single mom and have 3 kids, work 40 plus hours a week and am barely squeeking by. I am NOT on the system because I make too much money. I don't have insurance because I don't make ENOUGH money to pay for that AND food AND electricity AND GAS the proper things to raise my children. My CHOICE is to have insurance. UNFORTUNATLY it won't happen anytime soon. PLEASE tell me how it is up to the COMMUNITY to make sure they are insured?? "

castle rock res. wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:38 AM:

" I WANT A CHOICE IF I HAVE TO BE TRANSFERED ANY WHERE, I WANT TO GO TO ST. VINCENT THE BEST PLACE FOR ALL TYPES OF CARE!!!!!!!!!! "

life is all about choices wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:41 AM:

" to the single mom with three kids.Every choice you ever made in your life has brought you to your current situation,so yes it is your choice.I get tired of people complaining about their situation like someone else put you there.If you cant afford kids dont have three of them and if it is their fathers fault wasn't he your choice too! "

sucks wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:42 AM:

" OHSU is not the place I would like to go! they are not held responable when they mess up! "

...and so... wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:51 PM:

" ...and so the war begins... "

to Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 12:53 PM:

" You should have made better choices for yourself and the lives of your children from the start, ie.. can I afford a baby, is the guy I'm with going to stay around and be a good dad. the list goes on and on. Life choices need to be made carefully not carelessly. There are programs out there for lowincome parents to get a college education and improve your chances of a better job, instead of complaining about not having enough, when your the one who created the situation try and improve yours. "

To Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:02 PM:

" How does one go about getting lifeflight ins? sounds like a cheap deal to me. "

RE. Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:12 PM:

" I couldn't have said it better myself. We are in the same boat as you. People that haven't walked in our shoes don't understand. "

EMS WORKER wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:53 PM:

" This is a great program and it helps with the possibility of getting a cardiologist that can perform the much needed procedure that is needed. Now St. John does catheterization to see if there is something wrong and if there is then they need to send the patient to Portland. Also hence this study has drastically increased the number of out of town transfers and has made a terrible impact of Longview's AMR having ambulances available as LifeFlight will only fly if the conditions are perfect. That means that probably 60% of the time they will not fly due to our Northwest weather. If you would like info on LifeFlight insurance you can check out their website at www.lifeflight.org or contact them at 1-800-982-9299. "

bored reader wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:55 PM:

" Wow, people here really have no reading comprehension (giggles). I had to read the comments a few times to try to figure out what the argument is about...but I see it's a misunderstanding of someone else's comments. That's so ridiculous! If you all would learn some basic reading comprehension the world what be so much nicer. For example, I have to deal with customers often who don't read about what they have ordered. I had this one customer call me all huffy two days after he ordered something wondering where it was. It could have all been avoided if he would have read the website because it says orders are processed (not shipped) in 48-72 hours. learn how to READ people. I'm just sayin'... "

To Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 1:55 PM:

" I agree with you. I am also part of the 'working poor' class. I don't qualify for free or reduced insurance but I can't afford to pay out of pocket either. I actually make less than what my basic bills are but I can't get any help with anything. "

To all you rich people, wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Us poor people are not totaly in control of our incomes. Ever hear of a layoff? How about a husband or wife who changes after so many years and is not the person you married and had a family with so you or they leave. Most of us poor folk can not afford the thousands it cost to get an education and niether could our folks. I suggest you all shut your damn mouths. "

To Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:11 PM:

" Interesting... You are not making it yet you can afford internet access. Unless of course you make time to go to the library everyday or sit at Starbucks on your laptop. "

Beenthere wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:20 PM:

" ohsu, is a good hospital,and is rated above st. vincent in quality of care.
I am not making this stuff up.
I was there , had to have bypass surgery. they are very good at what they do.
Was at St.Johns too, got about average care there.
Fix your #1 tdn "

To: life is about choices wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:28 PM:

" I will have to give you an example of limited choices. I tried all forms of protection, including rubbers. My first was watching the cycle. Pills made me have medical issues, got pregnant with iud, got pregnant with diaphram, got pregnant with rubber. I did my best to raise my five children, without help from the father of first four. I don't want to hear someone gripe because they believe we all have choices. I tried to have tubes tied after twins (number 3&4 children), but doctors said I was TOO YOUNG! After my last son, my new doctor did it for me. Now that kids are grown, and never recieved a dime of help from the older four's father, I am sure that people like you need to be in the position that some of other people, just so you can know how things happen even when you do all the right things. Don't be so judgemental about others, and keep you eyes in your own back yard. Some people have unexpected issues that arrise, such as divorce and the other parent not helping raise these children that were born out a loving situation that goes bad. "

To Citizen wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:34 PM:

" Citizen, how is it that you have come to the conclusion that I am a single parent by CHOICE? That I have not lost my husband to a heart attack or a road side bomb in Iraq or that after 20 plus years at a very good job that I had that it closed down which has left me with no insurance? And I am now doing what I can to make ends meet in this community that has an unemployment rate higher than most?
Life is sometimes what is given you not what you choose. I make hard choices every day for my children that I chose to have with my husband some years ago when we did have insurance and I was a stay at home mom. He is no longer here with me and I do everything in my power to take care of my children with my two years of college. You have come to the conclusion that I am a single mom who is single because I had unprotected sex and got my self that way because of being irresponsible. On the contrary, I chose to have my children and to marry my husband who worked at Fiber. We HAD a good life and insurance. I NO LONGER do have insurance and I CHOOSE EVERY DAY to do what is right for my kids. You are a very judgmental person who has made too many assumptions. "

been there, still there wrote on Mar 30, 2008 2:56 PM:

" I work full time and pay for insurance, but I cant afford to get sick. Insurance or no insurance, the cost of living has gotten so high in the area (not that it was ever low) that illness is not an option. The program for lifeflight is a wonderful program and I hope that few people will ever have to use it. But having insurance doesnt cure everything. If I were to get sick, there would still have to be carwashes etc. because the amount that I make comes no where near what I have to pay. And I am a college graduate. Not everyone has had the luck to find one of the rare high paying jobs in this town. Most of us have to settle for the barely-above-minimum-wage ones.So some people need to get off their pedestals and come down here with the other 90% of us. "

What were we talking about again? wrote on Mar 30, 2008 4:14 PM:

" It is always interesting to see what path these comments will take & rather than bashing St. John or OHSU, it seems like many of you have decided to pick on the working poor who have no insurance. While it is true that many people are totally irresponsible about providing for themselves, there are lots of epople out there who are struggling to afford the basics and health insurance just isn't affordable for them. I have a 24 year-old daughter with a BA degree, employed full time and who can barely afford catstrophic insurance. Her employer offers coverage, but it is exorbitant on her income. Sadly, she would be better off economically if she were a single mom. Having said that, though, I also want to weigh in on the "To Citizen" comment...you were dead on, no mater what choices we make, you never know waht surprises life may hand you! This seems like a good time to remind everyone that we all have a choice coming up very soon..and that is to elect a president who will actually do something about the pathetic state of access to health care in our country! Personally, I think Obama is the one who can get America back on track. "

Californian wrote on Mar 30, 2008 4:18 PM:

" I'm very happy to be alive. I had quadruple by-pass surgery two years ago, but not at my local hospital.
I could have had heart surgery locally, but the other hospital has a better
reputation for cardiac care - the local
hospital even acknowledges that. There
is nothing wrong with getting the best care, and nothing wrong with local hospitals acknowledging where the best care can be obtained. Cooperative care
saves lives and provides the best care.
I am very happy for Mr. Hanna and his family, and happy to see cooperative health care worked well for him.

"

local who knows wrote on Mar 30, 2008 7:21 PM:

" To "OK?" Before you call St. John a "second rate facility" I must tell you that you are uninformed about State laws and the costs of running facilities such as cardiothoracic surgery centers. Cowlitz County simply would not have the volume of patients to make this prudent. This is why there are such excellent TERTIARY care centers such as OHSU in the cities. If you want a cardiac surgeon close by, move to Portland. Though St John does have a cardiac cath lab, they cannot legally to emergent procedures, because law requires that you be within certain distance of a surgery center for back-up. To "CR res" and "sucks" transfers certainly can be (and frequently are) arranged to many other regional hospitals. In a time-sensitive emergency, however, the new system allows this to be done for heart attack victims more quickly. If you ever come in having a heart attack, please make your wishes NOT to go to OHSU clear. Your Darwin Award can be delivered to your family posthumously. "

Re: To life is about choices wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:04 PM:

" ARE YOU KIDDING ?????
These are the lamest excuses ever.... "

J. A. Long wrote on Mar 30, 2008 8:06 PM:

" Mean people suck. "

me wrote on Mar 30, 2008 11:51 PM:

" Awesome for St. John. I have to say they seem to always be doing something new and innovative to improve care in this community. I really appreciate it. "

tired wrote on Mar 31, 2008 5:23 AM:

" To single mother of three,
Stop whining and feeling sorry for yourself. "

to: local who knows wrote on Mar 31, 2008 8:37 AM:

" AMEN!

If someone comes in to the emergency department having a specific type of heart attack (they aren't all the same and each requires different treatment), and the doctor feels he/she needs to be transported to Portland, that person has the right to refuse what the doctor feels is best. If the patient does not want to go to OHSU, they do not have to. But, in a situation where every minute not treated causes more heart muscle damage, I know that I would not choose waiting several hours for another facility to accept me as a patient.
The partnership between OHSU and St. John's isn't perfect, but it's a huge step in the right direction and getting better all the time.
Thanks for the great article TDN. Only thing wrong is that this program does not apply to Kaiser patients (Kaiser's rules, not St. Johns). "

Adding to “local who knows” wrote on Mar 31, 2008 9:18 AM:

"
Nice comments. Accurate and to the point. I want to add some additional thoughts. St John is a large community hospital. It can’t and shouldn’t provide all services under one roof. Most hospitals in Portland are larger and can provide a higher level of specialty care in many areas.
Community hospitals transfer a lot of patients to larger hospitals. There are lots of reasons for doing so, but high quality patient care is centered on “what is best for the patient”.
That means, when you need a neurosurgeon or a cardiothoracic surgeon, you should be transferred to a facility where those physicians and nurses are well practiced. Vancouver and Portland have those facilities; however, hospital beds are often times scarce which can delay prompt care.
The new agreement between OHSU and St John for heart attack patients provides the best care for the patient. Read the article carefully. OHSU’s door is always open, no lines, no waiting: “all acute heart attack patients at St. John now go to OHSU automatically and there's no wondering if they'll be accepted”.
This should be celebrated. Nice article TDN!
"

to: local who knows wrote on Mar 31, 2008 9:23 AM:

" Kaiser sends their patients to Southwest in Vancouver. I understand they have a pretty good heart program. "

$35,000 flight wrote on Mar 31, 2008 9:55 AM:

" Is that right? Anybody know? "

Life Flight wrote on Mar 31, 2008 5:07 PM:

" I'm not sure where the figure of $35K came from, but it is about $20K over the actual price. A small price to pay when it's your heart that's dying. Life Flight is non-profit. "

It's more like $15K wrote on Mar 31, 2008 5:11 PM:

" I'm not sure who thinks it would cost $35,000, but that is not correct. "

Way to go SJMC wrote on Mar 31, 2008 7:21 PM:

" I knew that this article about a wonderful partnership between OHSU and SJMC could not go without the usual unimformed people trying to bash St John anyway. To OK? go to the DOH website and read the rules and regulations regarding hospitals, St John can't just decide to start doing open heart surgery one day, a hospital has to go through a rigorous approval process to get approved to do so. And to the rest of you whining and complaining that you want to go to Southwest or St Vincents,Kaiser whine, whine, blah, blah. Be appreciative that we have a local hospital who cares enough about the community to move patients to a competing hospital system for no extra cost to you than it would have been if you received your care here.How about you people admit that SJMC is not the devil and show some support for your fellow community members who work there. "

To Bored Reader wrote on Mar 31, 2008 9:03 PM:

" Are you serious? Did you proofread your own posting? Double and triple check if necessary your own posting before criticizing others. Just an observation. "The world what be so much nicer", and "learn how to read"...Learn should have been capitalized. Come on people, learn how to write. (Smile)... I'm just sayin'... "

Going down wrote on Apr 1, 2008 12:08 AM:

" This town is a joke. You all deserve to go down with this town that's sinking. Whatever happened to compassionate people who used to live here twenty years ago? I've been back from travelling all over and i can't wait to move away from this drug infested, out of work, raggedy town and back to portland in a couple weeks. ONE year back was enough for me. Longview is no longer MY hometown, thank you God. "

find a new job!! wrote on Apr 1, 2008 12:29 PM:

" I guess I really do not understand the comments from the folks who say that they have or know someone who has a college education, yet do not have a job that offers decent insurance? A college degree or not, find a job that will offer you decent insurance for Pete's sake. I have a BA and my wife no degree at all and yet we have never once had a problem getting decent insurance coverage from multiple employers that we have worked for through the years. We aren't rich or make a ton of money either, we are just 2 average working folks.Many employers offer reasonable benefits to employees, if they don't haow are they to recruit the best employees they can? I guess you are right until I walk in someone else's shoes I don't understand, but if you are in a cruddy situation then change it.Good jobs around here are getting hard to find, maybe think of looking South in Vancouver or Portland? Or possible a second job? I can't help but feel that people would rather complain than take the steps needed to improve their situation.Oh - and my folks had no money to send me to college, I did crummy summer jobs at the mills and trojan to pay for school, there are ways besides having a trust fund to get an education, quit making excuses. "

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