Four Kalama teens injured in wreck
Thursday, February 28, 2008 9:12 AM PST
By Erik Olson
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E-mail this articleFour Kalama teens were injured, one seriously, in a one-car wreck on Old Pacific Highway south of Kalama Wednesday afternoon, according to the Cowlitz County Sheriff's Office.
It was a tragic case of deja vu for one of the passengers, Matthew Waldrip, who survived a car accident last year that killed a Kalama High School classmate and seriously injured another.
Wednesday's accident occurred in the 7200 block shortly before 1 p.m. The driver of a 2000 Pontiac Sunfire - 16-year-old Joel Akin - was southbound at an "extremely high rate of speed" when he lost control of the car around a curve, spun off the roadway, struck a power pole, and landed in a ditch, according to sheriff's Capt. Mark Nelson.
Sheriff's deputies and Cowlitz Fire 5 personnel responded to the accident at 12:45 p.m., Nelson said.
Akin was taken to St. John Medical Center in Longview, where he was treated for a head injury and released, according to Nelson.
His three passengers were taken to Emmanuel Hospital in Portland. Brandon Jackson, 16, who was sitting in the right rear passenger seat, was flown by helicopter and was undergoing treatment for serious head and back injuries, Nelson said.
Further information on Jackson's condition was unavailable Wednesday, according to a hospital nursing supervisor.
The other two passengers - Cody Mazza, 16, and Waldrip, 15 - were taken to Emmanuel by ambulance, then treated and released, according to Nelson.
On Jan. 9, 2007, Waldrip was a passenger in a one-car crash on China Garden Road that killed 15-year-old Samantha Jo Garner and left 14-year-old Jonathon Lynch-Thompson a quadriplegic.
The driver of that vehicle, Patrick A. O'Brien, 16, Kalama, pleaded guilty to vehicular homicide in that crash and is serving time in a state juvenile detention center.
Wednesday's accident was preventable, Nelson said.
"The combination of speed and driver inexperience can be a recipe for disaster," Nelson said, adding that the investigation continues and charges are possible.
Without adult supervision, a 16-year-old is not allowed to drive with unrelated minors within the first six months of obtaining a license. It was unknown Wednesday when Akin got his license, Nelson said.
A parent wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:09 AM:
" You would think kids would learn, especially after a classmate was killed last year. It says it happened before 1pm. - on a school day. Why weren't these kids in school????? "
Kalama wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:39 AM:
" It's Matt Waldrip, not Michael.
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those families. "
Our thoughts and prayers are with all those families. "
still alive wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:53 AM:
" well for waldrip to experience yet another horrifing wreck i hope that he gets some smarts in his head.....i just hope that brandon is okay.......what do these kids think? HELLO going fast causes wrecks, they are lucky they didnt crash innto somebody. "
Kalama Grandma wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:55 AM:
" These kids need to learn that they are not invinsible. I hope the charges with this one are more severe and the judges in this case do a harsher punishment. These kids need to learn a lesson.
Going 90 mph on Old Pacific Highway is extreme for an expierenced driver let alone someone who is not. Maybe if we change the learning permit to last from 16-18 and a driver license at 18 this might cut down this type of thing. "
Going 90 mph on Old Pacific Highway is extreme for an expierenced driver let alone someone who is not. Maybe if we change the learning permit to last from 16-18 and a driver license at 18 this might cut down this type of thing. "
me wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:56 AM:
" This is so sad. I hope that all the kids involved recover completely and that they learn something from this. You would think that the tragic accident of Samantha and Jonathon would've taught them all something. "
dare I call it? wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:02 AM:
" The crash is terrible - I hope the kid makes it through ok, but let this be a lesson to parent who give their kids car keys - Teach them responsibility. And teach them the physics of an accident - the trauma indured, injuries sustained, etc. All said if it were my kid driving that car - he would wish the cops kept him instead of sending him home. Not only would I tan his hide, he'd be off financial support other than room and board. Plus he would have to keep the injured kids parents company at the hospital. He'd also have to go to that kids house and do that kids housework, help him with his homework, and help the family out where he could. I could call this a case of stupidity, but it's more like forgetfulness. Kalama high should get pictures of the wrecks that have happened along with pictures of the victims and plaster them all over campus so these kids don't forget that speed and inattention kill. "
Kalama Dad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:14 AM:
" Yet again our kids can't figure out right from wrong. More details will come out about this new accident that will also put the driver in a pretty tough spot. When is the school going to deliver more of a message that this behavior is just not acceptable. Why did they need to be out of school, knowing it was early release, but without some supervision some kids like this apparently just can't help themselves. As Larry said, you can't fix stupid. "
law needs to be enforced wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:31 AM:
" I know in other counties (such as Lewis) there are harsh consequences for driving around with minors before that 6 month period of obtaining a drivers license. I know that they take your license away for a year after just a first offense. I see too many times a car full of young teens driving recklessly, and though this law wouldn't STOP this, it would help deter it and make a statement. It doesn't take much time to pull over a car full of teens if they are driving fast or recklessly and to check the facts. It could save a life "
Longview Mom wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:44 AM:
" Why don't we go ahead and give some more KIDS a license to seriously hurt or kill people. These teenagers don't understand that it is a privilege to have a drivers license some of them think it is their RIGHT!!! They think I am 16 now I have taken traffic safety it is now my RIGHT to have a drivers license. They are so wrong. I am almost 30 years old and I can honestly say that I myself have never caused an accident. I have been rearended more times than I can count. I have been rearended by 2 teenagers because they weren't paying attention to what was in front of them. They have friends in the car when they aren't suppose to, they talk on their cell phones while driving, all because they think it is their RIGHT. Well they are WRONG!! My parents wouldn't let me get a drivers license till I was 18 because I myself wasn't responsible enough to drive at that age. I got distracted too easily and I think that is why there are so many teenage accidents these days. I am by no means saying that adults are perfect because we aren't. I have been rearended by adults too. But we are old enough to be held accountable and the lawsuits don't lay on our parents they are on us as adults. Parents shouldn't be held accountable the CHILD should. "
Concerned Mother wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:44 AM:
" Before I say a word I realize that there are teens out there that do obey traffic rules and drive carefully but for all you teens that think your invinceable your not!!!! It sickens me everytime I read articles like this. I several times have been tail gaited so close that I tap my brakes to let them know of my intentions of stopping so I won't be hit, I look in my rearview and what do I see, a car full of kids useully the driver is on the cell phone. Please if want to drive be kind to other drivers and be carefull as there have been to many teen involved accidents in our area!!!! "
What wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:50 AM:
" You have got to be kidding me. Before 1pm? Were they skipping class again? where do Kalama students take Drivers Ed? Well I hope everyone is ok. "
Tazer Baby wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:30 AM:
" As I recall the accident that ended with the death of Samantha was also around lunch time. The issue of time is relavant but the fact that kids are driving erratic is the ultimate issue. This writer has no idea what the solution to this issue is, but I also know this will not be the last incident. "
early release wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:30 AM:
" Kalama has one early release day every month. It just so happened it occured on an early release day.
It is a horrific event. If we took licenses away, permits and early release it wouldn't stop teens from being teens. I am not saying all teens are like this, but some just have poor judgement and no matter what we do, they still have minds of their own.
This is exactly why we have the intermediate license law.
My thoughts and prayers are with them. "
It is a horrific event. If we took licenses away, permits and early release it wouldn't stop teens from being teens. I am not saying all teens are like this, but some just have poor judgement and no matter what we do, they still have minds of their own.
This is exactly why we have the intermediate license law.
My thoughts and prayers are with them. "
Kalama Graduate wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:33 AM:
" Ok~ It is time for the parents and the school district to step in. Park these wrecked cars on the school lot get the kids out there and show them the real consequences of there stupidity. Visual aids are the best kind of reinforcement. "
Oh come on wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:36 AM:
" I'm surprised dude didn't tell driver to slow down after being in a wreck. I know personally after witnessing the crash on Kalama River Road that killed Candice Carter(RIP), how easy it is to have your life taken. They seem to think that having 1/16" of metal and glass between you and that car or those trees will actually protect you somehow. "
Kalama Student wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:38 AM:
" It was a Kalama half day. School got out at 11:30. But seriously, driving 5 over the speed limit is one thing and not a big deal. But when you are almost doubling the speed limit I do not feel sorry for any punishment that is given to the driver. They deserve it. "
Early Release wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:39 AM:
" These "children" were out of school on "early release". I have come to two conclusions. One, the people who hand out the Darwin awards should have a permanent cot in Kalama. Two, you do not have to live in Kalama to hear the banjo music... "
Re:Kalama Dad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:47 AM:
" Why should the school have anything to do with sending the msg? You're a Dad! It's the parents' responsibilities to make sure that behavior is not acceptable! "
brooklyn wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:52 AM:
" You guys are all about punishment, dont you think its punishment enough to get into the car accident? Yeah its not a right to have a licence but it is something they have earned and just because they were being irresponsible by speeding dont make them "bad kids" they know what they did was rong but things happen.
My prayers and thoughts go out to Brandon Jackson, i hope you get better bud! "
My prayers and thoughts go out to Brandon Jackson, i hope you get better bud! "
Critism wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:06 AM:
" Stop the criticism of parents and the school. If the parents of these teenagers are from a typical family, they were probably at WORK and had no idea there children were out driving like maniacs. I have children, as many of you do and prudence is one thing, but being able to control what your children do when you aren’t there is another! The school had nothing to do with this ~ stop looking to blame anyone other than the driver of the car. Do these kids need to be more experienced and informed before getting behind the wheel of a car? Absolutely! I don’t think they really understand the magnitude of their actions and hind sight’s 20/20. It is sad and very unfortunate.
And to “EARLY RELEASE”: IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO ACT LIKE A JACKASS? Banjo? Come on! You write as if nothing like this ever happens any where else.
A prayer or two wouldn’t hurt.
"
And to “EARLY RELEASE”: IS IT REALLY NECESSARY TO ACT LIKE A JACKASS? Banjo? Come on! You write as if nothing like this ever happens any where else.
A prayer or two wouldn’t hurt.
"
what? wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:14 AM:
" To brooklyn: Please, please tell me that you're a teenager. Otherwise, I cannot believe the pack of drivel that just came out of your computer. No, it is not "punishment enough" to have been in the car accident. These young people are just really lucky that they were the only recipients of any injuries. I can only imagine what would have happened had any other helpless drivers or pedestrians would have been in the path of this car.
No, these are not "bad kids," but things like this don't "just happen." They are preventable. Slowing down to the speed limit would have been one way to prevent this accident, as would have paying attention to the road. If these young people "know what they did was" wrong, then they should also be prepared to take the punishment that I hope they (the driver) will receive.
The sooner that all kids realize that their lives are finite; that being behind the wheel is not a right, but a responsibility that is earned not just by taking a class, but by proving that they are ready for it; and that no one, I repeat, NO ONE, has the right to take the lives of other people into their hands (whether it is passengers, pedestrians or other drivers), the better off they and everyone else around them will be.
Until then, expect to see many more articles like this in the paper.
I hope the young man who was seriously injured gets better soon. "
No, these are not "bad kids," but things like this don't "just happen." They are preventable. Slowing down to the speed limit would have been one way to prevent this accident, as would have paying attention to the road. If these young people "know what they did was" wrong, then they should also be prepared to take the punishment that I hope they (the driver) will receive.
The sooner that all kids realize that their lives are finite; that being behind the wheel is not a right, but a responsibility that is earned not just by taking a class, but by proving that they are ready for it; and that no one, I repeat, NO ONE, has the right to take the lives of other people into their hands (whether it is passengers, pedestrians or other drivers), the better off they and everyone else around them will be.
Until then, expect to see many more articles like this in the paper.
I hope the young man who was seriously injured gets better soon. "
Kara. wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:17 AM:
" It's rediculous how this is about punishment to all of you. Kids are irresponsible sometimes, that dosn't make them bad people. They could have made a better choice, but things happen so you shouldn't judge them on this. I think getting in a car accident is enough pressure on them already and they really dont need a bunch of people leaving comments like this for the whole world to see. One more thing, if you're going to write an article about a person at leat get their name right. "
2 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:22 AM:
" Dont get me wrong i know that they should have learned thier lesson the first time, but dont you think that they have gone through enough, and like brooklyn said "the accident was punishment" I think way to many of you people judge by what you hear, you longveiw adults if you actually new these kids you would think different. Yeah they shouldnt of been going 105 around a corner but pepole make mistakes and our prayers are for them. "
Not Even wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:25 AM:
" To Brooklyn - It is nowhere near enough punishment to just survive an accident! Everyone has to take responsibility for their actions and misplaced sympathy doesn't accomplish that. Nor does sympathy teach meaningful lessons that stick with kids. If it did, then maybe M. Waldrip wouldn't have been in a similar situation. "
Kalama Grandma wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:26 AM:
" Maybe having kids who get into these kinds of wrecks need to be made as punishment to go witness an autopsy in person so they can see what happens to people. Also, maybe if parents would stop buying their kids cars for them and make them buy their own they would show more respect for property. I see this all the time where kids buy their own cars they treat them better as it is their own hard earned money that bought it. Kids who are given the cars really could care less as it wasn't their money. "
re: brooklyn wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:34 AM:
" Did you truly mean "rong", or did you mean "wrong"? Must be a Kalama student. Listen, more banjo music... "
classmate wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:37 AM:
" Wednesday was a half day we got out at 11:30! but that does not excuse them to be stupid!!! "
Re: Longview Mom wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:40 AM:
" I agree with you 100% I have two daughters ages 17 and 15. My 17 year old hasn't even taken drivers ed. Just because she's "old enough" I will not let her drive. I will not let her kill herself or someone else just because she turned 16. She even understands that her attention span lasts for about 2 seconds. She herself doesn't want to drive knowing it would be dangerous for herself or anyone else. I give her a lot of credit for being responsible enough to understand why I wont let her drive. I have also been rear-ended by a young driver. I was going the speed limit (55), He was about 10' behind me when two deer jumped out in front of me. I hit my brakes and the deer. Then I got hit from behind. But the best part was he didn't have insurance either. "
Re Brooklyn wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:41 AM:
" No, I don't think the car accident is punishment enough. "
Kalama Gram wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:45 AM:
" Some kids don't care about their lives or that of others. I travel that road every day and many go speeding by for no reason. We were almost hit last year on the first curve on the Kalama road by someone but our driver saw him coming and slowed to a stop while the other car swerved and came on our side then ended in the ditch. we had 5 in our car, with two little ones. Could have been a disaster. These drivers need to go to some classes and see actual accidents where you see what the people look like after you have hit them and the twisted metal around them. "
Behind the scenes wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:50 AM:
" It could have happened to anybody judge all you want. wreckless yes, but show some damn sympathy. "
half day wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Wednesday was a half day so no, we werent in school, it got over at 11:30. but i agree you would think that they would try to be more careful after what happened to Sam... "
Kalama Grad of 06 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:03 AM:
" To everyone who keeps asking why they wern't in school.. They had early release and got out of school at 11:30am.. And i serously can't believe how rude people can be on here... I really hope Brandon recovers, he is a sweet kid.... "
Jennifer wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:11 AM:
" My nephew was a passenger in the accident yesterday. First of all, it is NOT the responbility of the school to teach kids how to drive. Do not point fingers at the district!! Yes, I agree that his driving was unacceptable, but WHO IS ANYONE TO JUDGE? Accidents happen every day and everyone makes mistakes. This is NOT a perfect world. I think all teen drivers should take a look at this and learn from anothers mistake. How dare someone say that these KIDS got what they deserved! There is nothing any of those passengers could have done to stop what happened. We were all kids once and I'm sure that many of you who left your snide comments probably thought you were invincible a few times yourself in your younger days! Oh, by the way, Kalama teens take drivers ed. at the same place as the rest of Cowlitz County!!! I think you all need to sit back and think before you speak. Brandon, Cody, Matt, and Joel.. you are all in my thoughts and prayers. Brandon.. I love you bud!! "
TDN wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:16 AM:
" A name in this story was originally reported incorrectly and corrected in this version this morning. "
Aunt A wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:19 AM:
" Things like this happen and it is unfortunate that it has happened twice now for this age group. Kids think that they are invincible and honestly something needs to happen to let these kids know that there are serious consequences behind these actions. And so many times this type of thing happens so fast that the others in the car don't have a say fromt that point on. I am an aunt of one of the boys and after talking with him last night he has learned his lesson. He is a smart and great kid and he is very upset about what has happened. My thoughts and prayers go out to Brandon and his family. This is a terrible thing to experience for anyone. And all those who love to point the finger remember this can happen to anyone at anytime and when you are in this kind of situation you won't want the finger pointing at you. "
To Jennifer wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM:
" Wrong, wrong, wrong! How many of them told the driver to stop and let them out??? You can't compare "todays kids" with "yesterdays kids"... there were FAR fewer cars on the road when "yesterdays kids" were growing up. Just be glad this "mistake" didn't end up like the last one in Kalama. And would you be saying the same thing if your nephew had died in this "mistake"? IMO,this is the reason that the driving age should be raised to 18. "
1992 Kalama Grad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:31 AM:
" My thoughts and prayers go out to the families, and the kids. Mistakes do happen, however the kids should expect to be held accountable for them. Sidenote to the teens posting on this: Spellcheck is great, and email forums are not text messages. Please make it easier for everyone by proofreading your response before posting, so we don't have to decipher what you are trying to say. "
No sympathy from me. wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:09 AM:
" How can some of you posters say they are just kids, the accident is enough punnishment. Are you CRAZY. And yes the passengers do have something to say about it. I had some friends way back over 20 years ago. This kid always liked to drive fast, talked about wanting to be a race car driver. But when I was in the car I told him to slow down or let me out. He always slowed down. Well, one weekend I was visiting my brother in Seattle, when I returned home I heard the news he was in a traffic accident. Both his passengers died. He ended up in a coma for a few months. He still walks around with a cane. He was never punished at all. As a matter of fact he got his license back when he could hardly walk. So my point is NO, the accident is NOT punishment enough. But if you say it's OK, kids will be kids. They will die at a very young age. It's better to be in trouble and learn your lesson. Than to kill yourself and/or your passengers. "
Adults wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:15 AM:
" I'm an adult, and I say Adults don't learn either. Please do not blame kids. This is a tragic event and needs to be treated as such, not a finger pointing event. Adults are no better than teenagers in many aspects of life. "
Too Young to be Driving wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:16 AM:
" Nearly every single day I encounter a child-driver acting like a fool. This morning a young girl wasn't happy with my speed around the city circle so she thought it would be best to pass me on the right, and cut me off. In the end we both ended up at a red light on 15th. As I slowly stopped next to her I turned and gave a little smile. She flipped me off, then burned rubber when the light turned green so she could cut me off a second time. The mentality of many youth really worries me. Maybe 16 is too young for a license? "
Re: Jennifer wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:17 AM:
" You are right. No, they didn't DESERVE this at all. But, the driver should be punished for his actions. If he isn't, he will not learn from this. And yes, this isn't just with Kalama kids. I think the guy with the banjo comment, is probably plucking away on his own banjo as we speak. "
JC wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:29 AM:
" First, I pray that all 4 involved in the accident will fully recover.
I don't understand parents that make these hot sport cars available to their teenagers when they know their JUST kids, that at times will act unresponsible.Parents stop buying those nice looking fast cars, a 16 year old is not old enough or responsible enough to have that much POWER in their control. We opted for a full size Chevy Blazer for our sons. It did get pretty muddy though.
Going 90 on Old Pacific Hwy is ridiculous we live close to the crash sight and we see how fast people drive EVERYDAY past our home, it's posted 40 where the crash occured, it should be 35 this is a residential area where children live. We figure the average speed is 55.
It's a very sad time but young people just don't seem to learn from these accidents.
"
I don't understand parents that make these hot sport cars available to their teenagers when they know their JUST kids, that at times will act unresponsible.Parents stop buying those nice looking fast cars, a 16 year old is not old enough or responsible enough to have that much POWER in their control. We opted for a full size Chevy Blazer for our sons. It did get pretty muddy though.
Going 90 on Old Pacific Hwy is ridiculous we live close to the crash sight and we see how fast people drive EVERYDAY past our home, it's posted 40 where the crash occured, it should be 35 this is a residential area where children live. We figure the average speed is 55.
It's a very sad time but young people just don't seem to learn from these accidents.
"
let's stop and think wrote on Feb 28, 2008 11:55 AM:
" Woah!! OK, first of all. Raising the driving age to 18 is not going to resolve anything. Inexperience is just that. Whether you are 18 or 16, it doesn't matter. Realistically, the kids who find it fun and exciting to drive at high rates of speed at 16 will still find it exciting at 18. The state put in the law regarding kids driving with non-related minors in their car within the first 6 months they have their license. I completely agree with this approach. However, these kids who are choosing to get in the car with an inexperienced driver should be held accountable for their actions as well. Maybe we should make it citable for the passengers as well as the driver. The scariest part of this whole situation is that these kids don't seem to be learning anything from the tragedies that have already taken place around them. What more has to happen for them to open their eyes and see reality? "
CONCERNED wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:04 PM:
" ARE THERE ANY TEENS READING THESE COMMENTS? I DOUBT IT. THIS WON'T HAPPEN TO THEM(THEY THINK). "
a concerned parent wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:06 PM:
" Have the parents any rules set for the driver of the vehicle? He decides to drive like a maniac, sounds like he's not old enough or responsible enough be hold a driver license and sit behind the wheel of a car. Such a sad accident and everyone was just lucky. Hope they recover and heal. My prayers are out to the family and the kids in this tragic accident. "
EXPERIENCE wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:10 PM:
" SO,WHO ELSE IS IN FAVOR OF RAISING THE DRIVING AT TO 18...OBVIOUSLY IN THIS AREA 16 YR OLDS ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE ENOUGH TO MAKE GOOD DECISIONS. TERRIBLE ACCIDENT THAT WILL HOPEFULLY SHOW OTHER YOUNGSTER'S THAT SPEED DOES KILL. "
erica wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:26 PM:
" wow. You people are heartless. These kids were NOT skippng school. We had early release. Second, I agree traveling that fast was wrong but what good is telling them too slow down gonna do now? Seriously, they know. Quit talking about may like he's dumb, quit comparing accidents and show some respect rather than using Sam as a statistic. Rip baby girl. You're greatly missed. And we love you. "
Re: Adults wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:36 PM:
" You are right this isn't about adult vs. child driving habits. But don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. It doesn't matter if he was 16 or 55. If you are driving like that, you are old enough to except the consequences of your actions. "
Family Member of Driver wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:43 PM:
" Please don't blame his upbringing. He was practically raised by our Grandmother who is now in her 70's, and she is one of the sweetest, kindest, most timid people on the face of this earth. She and my late grandfather did the best they could to teach him to be smarter than this, and this was his choice. It was not the result of bad parenting. I agree, he should have taken better care with others in the car, and even if there weren't he should've known better. And I know that any punishment he gets is rightly justified. But I'll stand by him and love him no matter what the outcome of all this is. Joel is a good kid, who just happened to make a bad choice. At this point, the amnesia he's suffering from his head injury is keeping him from remembering what even happened. I understand the concerns of all the parents out there, but just remember this: Your child is not immune to this either. It could easily have been them in this situation. Please don't judge too harshly. Our family's sympathy and prayers go out to the families of those boys, and to Joel as well. I'm so sorry this happened. "
Face it wrote on Feb 28, 2008 12:56 PM:
" Erica, if you just let this slide, say it's OK you didn't mean to do it. Isn't going to do any good. Comparing this accident to others is helpful. The problem is you don't see any comparison. Just because you want to shut your eyes and pretend it didn't happen. Well guess what, it did. And he is lucky someone didn't get hurt worse than they did. By the way, maybe people are telling them to slow down now, so maybe a young person like yourself will learn from this. Seriously, if they know already from that other accident, this shouldn't of happened. That's all most of the people on here want, for this not to happen again and again. I know it's hard when your friends are getting bashed on here. But, have you ever heard of tuff love. "
Re: Family Member of Driver wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:03 PM:
" Nobody should blame this on his upbringing. I'm sure he is a good kid that just made a mistake. I like your way of thinking. Quote" I agree, he should have taken better care with others in the car, and even if there weren't he should've known better. And I know that any punishment he gets is rightly justified. But I'll stand by him and love him no matter what the outcome of all this is" That is right on the money. Very well said. Nobody should treat him like a monster. He just made a bad choice. "
Kalama Dad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:14 PM:
" My kids do know better, though of course they aren't perfect. The key here is knowing the consequences. Knowing someone died last year, you would think they would know better, but clearly they don't. The school can and should provide a medium for a much stronger message, heck they spend more waking hours there during school than they do at home. The bottom line is no excuses or whining is going to improve this at this point. The laws are made and enforced by adults and clearly the kids just don't get it no matter how sorry they are today. Family and friends speaking for their sorrow does nothing and frankly makes no sense. Take responsibility, speak out for others and quit making unecessary and weightless excuses or misdirections. Very little written here today will make any real difference or change the appropriate attitudes. Good luck to us all. "
somedude wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:16 PM:
" It does not matter what age you are for some reason as soon as you are issued a license majority of us seem to have a memory lapse of what the rules of driving are! I am guilty of this myself, we all sit at a four way and wonder who goes first, or wave the other person to avoid an accident, and majority of us think that yellow means go real fast! You can't believe how many people I see blowing through red lights on my way to work! I think that people need to be randomly tested on what the rules of driving are! Doesn't matter what age we are we all make mistakes while driving! "
re:kalama student wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:19 PM:
" IT IS A BIG DEAL DRIVING 5 MILES AN HOUR OVER THE POSTED SPEED LIMIT OVER!!!!CAN YOU SAY CITATION? AGAIN NO RESPECT FOR LAWS OF RULES OF THE ROAD. "
Longview Mom wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:20 PM:
" To all who are related to the passengers. I am praying for all of them. But this teen driver was very irresponsible. And unfortunately his parents are going to have to pay for all of these childrens hospital bills. Their insurance is going to be raised. Not to mention if the car was being financed they are more than likely going to have to finish paying for a totalled car. Now that isn't very fair to them now is it. And all of you have been saying a key word "KIDS". They are kids they do not belong behind the wheel of a vehicle. Give them a bike if they want transportation other than a bus. The driving age should be 18 unless they can make a vehicle that doesn't go over 35 mph. Then maybe these teens will get a clue. SPEED KILLS!!! And at 18 they get the consequences of the bills, higher insuracne rates and all that goes with being in a wreck, speeding, talking on a cell phone while driving and any other irresponsbility while operating a motor vehicle. And I do agree with some of you that adults need to slow down too. Our children learn what they see!!!! "
Kalama Guy wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:45 PM:
" Let's talk about the 16 year old driving law: Would it be sensible to raise the minimum driving age to 18? Who knows? The current law preventing them from having non-relative passengers within the first 6 months is obviously not targetting the whole responsible or experienced driver issue. If it were, they wouldn't allow any passengers. Whether or not the passengers are relative, they are still underage. It clearly targets the whole "group" issue, meaning too many friends in the car create an unsafe driving atmosphere, and concentration is severly depleted at that point.
By reading some of the posts on here, it is evident that this issue is present in more areas than just teenage driving. Pay close attention to the manner and demeanor of the youth these days. Not as a knock on them, but you will notice that they post as if it is a text message. That tells me that this genre affected an entire way of life.
Lastly, it is true that fault may not lay with one or the other. Yes, the driver made bad decisions, and the passengers could have avoided the incident by choosing not to ride with him, or ask to be let out. But that wouldn't be "cool". We, as parents need to be more vigilant concerning our youth, and that it matters not who they are, who we are, and what our name is. It can happen to anyone, and it will if unprepared. "
By reading some of the posts on here, it is evident that this issue is present in more areas than just teenage driving. Pay close attention to the manner and demeanor of the youth these days. Not as a knock on them, but you will notice that they post as if it is a text message. That tells me that this genre affected an entire way of life.
Lastly, it is true that fault may not lay with one or the other. Yes, the driver made bad decisions, and the passengers could have avoided the incident by choosing not to ride with him, or ask to be let out. But that wouldn't be "cool". We, as parents need to be more vigilant concerning our youth, and that it matters not who they are, who we are, and what our name is. It can happen to anyone, and it will if unprepared. "
Wow wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:49 PM:
" Sure glad my tax dollar pay for kids to go to school for only half a day.Will the taxes double again to keep them in school all day? "
Kalama Resident wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM:
" I don't blame parents, just the driver and passengers. When a driver takes on passenger they become the drivers responsibility. Passengers influence the driver, but ultimately it is the driver that has to choose to speed or act irresponsibly. I know Joel, he's a good kid, this could happen to any kid regardless of where he lives. However, if the driver can't decipher his or her limits than he or she should not be driving. Sounds like Joel hasn't even cleared his 6 month limit on having passengers. The driver definately needs to be held accountable and not just let it be for "surviving" an accident. "
kalama res wrote on Feb 28, 2008 1:59 PM:
" I'm sorry you cant keep your kids off your hands for a full day but the kalama half day is for teacher's to do other stuff like meeting and preparing and such... I think anyways "
Jynx wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:00 PM:
" It was sheer DUMB luck that he didn't kill anyone- his passengers or otherwise. There is no such thing as an ACCIDENT when one is speeding at twice the posted limit. Was it really a suprise? "
re:WOW wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:06 PM:
" COmments like this (meaning the last one) is uncalled for and makes the matters alot worse. Kalama has early release, but Kelso and Longview have late start, so don't even bring up the tax dollar issue and try to be "COOL". It actually just makes you sound very immature and heartless. Kids were seriously hurt in this accident and if you had any compassion, which apparently you don't, you wouldn't be rambling off dumb, pointless comments. If you have such a problem, then take it up with the school board! "
Teen drivers are high risk wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:19 PM:
" Teenagers have been considered to be high risk drivers since insurance records began evaluating drivers and their abilities and habits. In my grandparents days, my parents days, my days, and NOW in our childrens days, teens will always be at higher risk to take chances and not fully consider consequences at the moment just before the impact happens. I do remember when my son was a student at Castle Rock High School and they staged a program with wrecked vehicles in front of the school and had students participate in a day long event of some portraying the victims of the horrible accident, and this was the topic of conversation for many, many students that were affected by this program. This was a positive thing the school did, just as a wake up call for their students. Even if I only helped save one life, it was worth it. Bottom line is, there is no sure cure solution for teens exploring their control over what they believe is a safe thrill and push their limits to far. I hope all recover and realize they are lucky to have another chance to enjoy their young lives without crippling trauma that could have easily been their fate. "
TRY THIS ON FOR SIZE wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:22 PM:
" State law SHOULD BE that teens MAY get their licenses at 16, HOWEVER, any accident that they get into, the PARENTS are just as responsible as the teen driver. Parents are a better judge than most as to whether their CHILDREN are mature enough to handle the responsibility. Many are not. Many parents are delusional and are as bad as the kids, so this would be a wakeup call for them. As other posters have said, it's a PRIVILEDGE not a RIGHT. Just my humble opinion... "
Kalama Dad wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:25 PM:
" I have been posting and browsing on this site for as long as I could, and the posts just now from Longview Mom and Kalama Guy are some of the most clear minded and concise I have yet seen. Great comments and style. Maybe you both can teach us all how to do a better especially the acronym texting young ones. Thanks for the great insight! "
kalama student wrote on Feb 28, 2008 2:38 PM:
" I hope the full end of the law is given to Joel. Maybe the law can give a real punishment to one of these kids. Paddy gets out tomorrow. See that he is already done his punishment. Go justice system "
T.D. in response wrote on Feb 28, 2008 3:38 PM:
" Are you kidding about tax dollars? Teachers put in so much extra above and beyond their paid time that is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. Teaching staffs need at LEAST one common meeting time and really should have more. Most humans couldn't handle the responsibilities of a teacher. The responsibilities, the learning for 20 to 30 students during each day takes a ton of planning not to mention teaching kids to pass the WASL. Bottom line is the comment from WOW is about as brilliant as a comment can get. After all it is ONE half day a month. "
chelsea wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:08 PM:
" all i have to say is that everyone who has to say these kids are stupid are wrong there kids who not only are really awsome to hang out with they actuallly have lifes yes im sorry brandon i hope you get well soon and if i could i would be there but i moved soo i cant im sorry and to everyone else who has to say something bad about theses boys
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Oh, I see ! wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:09 PM:
" HUH? It's the school and teacher's fault for letting the kids out early today? Wow - what kind of blame will they get this summer when school is out? Come on people.... this is the responsibility of the STUDENTS.... nobody forced them to get in that car, drive full speed and get in a wreck. Sorry for the kids and injuries, but please stop blaming others!! "
Longview Mom wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:11 PM:
" This whole thing has nothing to do with these kids having a half day or full day of school. WHO CARES!! It wouldn't matter if they were in school all day on this day or not the wreck was going to happen. And I agree with TD most of us couldn't handle what teachers deal with all day. I know I couldn't. Bottom line is that there were teens in a vehicle with an irresponsible driver and now they and their families are paying for the drivers mistake. Lets get back to the matter at hand shall we. "
Wow wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:16 PM:
" I'm sure glad old people and adults don't cause accidents. I don't know what we'd do if they weren't perfect! "
gottaluvit wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:30 PM:
" Kalama Dad-I agree completely with your previous post about young people needing to understand consequences and have them enforced. My son is a new driver at 16. The rules were made very clear to him by both the law of Washington and the law of Mom and Dad. He clearly stated on numerous occassions that he understood that no one was to be in his car for the first six months. However, he felt this very unfair because several of his friends, who were also new drivers, had parents that did not enforce this law. Many times I witnessed these friends with two or three other passengers in their cars. What is wrong with these parents? Needless to say, my son was caught breaking "this law" and has since had his car taken away for two months now. He is living with the consequences of breaking a rule. We are mean, horrid parents-we know. We know we will not be nominated by him for Parent Of The Year. Darn it! But my son is alive, healthy and learning. "
kalama student wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:54 PM:
" what is wrong with you people??
people make mistakes and have to deal
with it their entire lives. and for you people who dont know any of the people in the car, you have no right to judge them. Accidents happen, whether its because of dangerous driving or not. Get over the fact that teenagers make mistakes. Brandon is going to be ok. And to put the whole blame on Joel is also ridiculous because it was all their say whether to get in the car or not. And they could have told joel to slow down, but they didnt. Think twice before you critisize people you dont even know, especially when you dont know the whole story.
AND for all the people who said they were skipping class, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, IT WAS A HALF DAY. "
people make mistakes and have to deal
with it their entire lives. and for you people who dont know any of the people in the car, you have no right to judge them. Accidents happen, whether its because of dangerous driving or not. Get over the fact that teenagers make mistakes. Brandon is going to be ok. And to put the whole blame on Joel is also ridiculous because it was all their say whether to get in the car or not. And they could have told joel to slow down, but they didnt. Think twice before you critisize people you dont even know, especially when you dont know the whole story.
AND for all the people who said they were skipping class, FOR CHRIST'S SAKE, IT WAS A HALF DAY. "
Brandons' mom wrote on Feb 28, 2008 4:55 PM:
" First of all,Joel, I love you. My son made a choise to get in the car. Believe me he is suffering for that choice. It was a half day and they were going to play basketball. Iam not sure why they chose to drive that fast. Not just Joel, these boys will all be effected for the rest of their lives. "
Food 4 thought wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:02 PM:
" I have keep this on the freg for many years for my own kids and now grandkids growing up. These kids need to go see what once were live teens and now are dead just maybe it might change their minds and make them think .. I will do what ever it takes to get this though to mine even if I have to take them to a M.E. to see death and what stupid will get you "
food 4 thought wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:08 PM:
" Sorry I could not get the poem up to many words... Iam not sure but it might can be found on the web the title is "Please God Iam only 17".. I cut this out so many years ago and keep it in sight. Very sad for those who do not get it. "
Nina wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:22 PM:
" Reading this blog I sure notice a lot of finger pointing- the school district, the parents- its funny how easy it is to judge others- you may have something in common with the kids--- like the feeling it will never happen to you. Kids make bad decisions, as a parent I do my best to instill values, morals, good decision making in my kids. My son is a freshman at Kalama and I remind him that every choice he makes has a consequence, good or bad and that consequence not only effects him but also his family, friends and sometimes community BUT unfortunately I can not be in his back pocket to make the decision for him.
Everyone should put themselves in these parents shoes for a moment- imagine that phone call- its a parents worst nightmare. I grew up in Kalama and have known 2 of these families for years- they are good people whos kids made a bad choice. Tonight every parent should sit down with their kids and use this as an example- talk to them about choices,how the choices these kids made has now effected their family, friends and community. Pray for the boys and their families, quit pointing fingers and fooling yourselves that it could never happen to you. "
Everyone should put themselves in these parents shoes for a moment- imagine that phone call- its a parents worst nightmare. I grew up in Kalama and have known 2 of these families for years- they are good people whos kids made a bad choice. Tonight every parent should sit down with their kids and use this as an example- talk to them about choices,how the choices these kids made has now effected their family, friends and community. Pray for the boys and their families, quit pointing fingers and fooling yourselves that it could never happen to you. "
gurl86 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:48 PM:
" WoW! the only question in my head is "how many more times before these kids get it?" But, It's the choices they're making and they seem comfortable with it. Risking their lives and taking their friends along to do the same and look what it has come down to - How many more times before these kids get it? "
Parent of responsible kids wrote on Feb 28, 2008 5:55 PM:
" Wow, lots of uneducated people out there. You say accidents happen, well driving that fast is NOT an accident, it's a choice. I don't have to feel sorry for someone who has no regard for the other drivers out on the road. Thank God no other innocent drivers were involved. I am very glad no one was killed. "
Stop Judging until you know the Story Better. Send Prayers instead! wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:02 PM:
" My blessings go out to all of these boys and their families. I cannot imagine for any reason being a passenger in a car going 0ver 90 miles per hour and NOT begging to stop the car or get out! I guarantee you that noone in that car, other than the driver, wanted to be going that fast and I guarantee you NONE of those boys were having fun and All of them were remembering the accident last year! These are GOOD kids and yet they made the decision to get in a car with a driver they "trusted".I think it is very important to talk with these boys and ask alot of questions of them! Should they have gotten in the car...No, the driver was inexperienced! I know some of these boys and I KNOW that they were not having FUN and that they did not get into that car believing that they would be going that fast and have someone put their lives in jeopardy like this. This driver was being a show-off plain and simple and we haven't heard from the boys who were passengers in this car! I believe these boys know that what was happening before the accident was very, very scary and that they wish they hadn't gotten in the car that day..even before the accident! Did these kids ask the driver to stop?...Do we know...no, we can't pass judgement on ANYONE until we know the story! "
Gurl86 wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:02 PM:
" i think no matter what - when kids are at home, they are to be taught well by their parents. When kids are in school, parents are expecting that their children will be taught right as well. The reality is that, you can talk and talk and talk, but it's up to the kids whether they're willing to suffer consequences when they don't listen the first time. They just need to remember one thing, they are responsible for their actions because of the choices they make! when the right decisions are ignored, we tend to get off track! There are no excuses for people who just don't get it! They'll either see it now, or see it at the end of the road! "
Kalama Student wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:14 PM:
" This wreck would not have happened if the driver hadn't been speeding. He knew the law, he knew that he was responsible for the people in that car. He made a bad choice, and I'm sure he would take it back if he could. But that doesn't make what happened any better and he should be reprimanded for it.
It isn't the school or the parents' fault. Most of the students at Kalama who have their license's drive responsibly. Should they have to suffer because someone else is giving them a bad name? "
It isn't the school or the parents' fault. Most of the students at Kalama who have their license's drive responsibly. Should they have to suffer because someone else is giving them a bad name? "
Family. wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:31 PM:
" First of all, we thank the people who know have something positive to say:)
No they didn't get what they deserved, are you are you serious no one deserves to get into a car wreck. We understand it was a bad decision's to drive fast and avoid the law but you people act like you never been a teen. Things happen. Those passengers had a choice to get into that car, But you guys think that if they knew they where gonna wreck they would of stayed in the car? Probably not. And if you think that it isn't punishment enough your wrong they have to live with this tragedy for the rest of their lives. Well Joel, Matt, Cody, and Brandon. We love you and our thoughts and prayers go to you and your families. "
No they didn't get what they deserved, are you are you serious no one deserves to get into a car wreck. We understand it was a bad decision's to drive fast and avoid the law but you people act like you never been a teen. Things happen. Those passengers had a choice to get into that car, But you guys think that if they knew they where gonna wreck they would of stayed in the car? Probably not. And if you think that it isn't punishment enough your wrong they have to live with this tragedy for the rest of their lives. Well Joel, Matt, Cody, and Brandon. We love you and our thoughts and prayers go to you and your families. "
Suck A Fat One Longview wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:40 PM:
" everyone from longview...stay out of it...you werent there...you dont live here and you dont know these kids...so why bother with it? "
matt waldrip wrote on Feb 28, 2008 6:57 PM:
" you people are so ignorant don't pretend to be saints i realize we shouldnt have been driving so fast but i dont believe that there is one of you who hasnt gone over the speed limit before you pass judgment on us when you dont even know us i was in the car accident and i was in the car accident a year ago we made bad choices do not judge us for them we have all learned our lessons i have seen horrific things you have never experienced anything like it do not judge me or anyone else in the car when you know nothing about us "
country gal wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:43 PM:
" I think all of you should read Kalama Grandma! She said some wise words! Take the kids (and adults are just as guilty, too) to the morgue and let them see the horror of mangled up bodies! and to all you parents who buy their kids car, read and reread her advice. Don't give them a car. If they want a car, let them work and save their money for it! That way, they tend to be responsible and take better care of it. "
kalama mom of three teens wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:43 PM:
" we all send our love and get well wishes to Brandon! We have been very torn by this news of the accident. Wow, how many comments blame the school, but in fact, this accident had absolutely nothing to do with the school. I am proud of my graduate last year from Kalama, and my two that are entering high school next year. Everyday, I give high praise to our school system to my coworkers and friends. I am proud my kids are going to Kalama, and always will be. "
Longview Guy wrote on Feb 28, 2008 7:57 PM:
" Has anybody seen final Destination I think Waldrip is in trouble "
longview girl wrote on Feb 28, 2008 8:10 PM:
" WOAH WAIT!!! we have to think!!!! these kids made a bad choice! so i know that kids make mistakes all time so i know this new is awful but please we make mistakes and it happens all time so i agree with Gurl86. "
ERICA AGAIN. wrote on Feb 28, 2008 9:39 PM:
" Are you kidding me? You're one of the heartless people I was talking about. WE ARE ALL AWARE OF WHAT'S HAPPENED. Both times. Don't tell us what we're thinking. Don't tell us we're wrong in feeling bad for them. That's ridiculous. Kalama kids are all really close. When one kid hurts, the rest of us do. Maybe you're jealous of us being such a cloce community or maybe you're one of those kids who never got attention. But taking it out on other kids WILL NOT HELP. I know the speed was way too fast. And I know there's no excuse for it. But they don't need to be repremanded right now. You should be glad they're all alive. And if you'd rather just chastise them and every other teen on the earth, why don't you do it where other people who have earts don't have to listen to your ramblings. Go talk to a therapist, tell THEM what you think. And if you wanna change the laws, run for president. Otherwise, change your attitude. "
kelsogurl wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:14 PM:
" WOW...You People amaze me on here..Its not just teen driver that this happens to it can happen to anyone its called poor judgment...I'm Know 2 of the boys that were in the car and i know that they are very close friends to my cousin and some other friends of mine and i am really happy that it wasn't them in the car...and as for whoever posted the stop judging send prayers instead sounds like you judging joel to me how is it that you know what was being said in that car for all you know it was the people in the backseat telling him to go faster and so he did my prayers go out to all of you...Think About it Next Time Though We Dont Want Another Accident Like Sam's There Are Still People Trying To Get Over That Accident...So Think About It Next Time "
Cody's Cousin wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:41 PM:
" I guess none of you have ever been teenagers? I don't know anyone who didn't make stupid mistakes as a teen, leave this alone! We love you Cody and are glad to see you are ok, and we pray that all involved will be ok. "
matt waldrip wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:42 PM:
" please quit being so jugemental there is no reason for that we were dumb yes but dont hate us for it "
april wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:07 AM:
" Being the mother of a 16 and 14 yr old classmate and friend of the kids in this wreck, I can tell you all that some kids were and always will be affected by these accidents. But seriously, some of the comments I have read on here are completely uncalled for. I myself am embarassed by some of these comments. You don't get through to kids by belittling them, calling them stupid and basically being immature about these things. Sit your kids down and talk to them about what is going on, what could happen by their actions and that they have to pay the consequences and hope they take that with them behind the wheel, but adults as well need to do the same. Noone thinks things will happen to them, it can happen to anyone, no matter where you live. Please kids and adults alike think while you drive. Matt, Cody, Joel and Brandon, know you are very lucky to be alive, thank God!! And you have friends and family that want to keep it that way...take care of yourselves and my thoughts are with you and your families. You will get through this, we will all get through this!! "
SHERMOONER wrote on Feb 29, 2008 1:25 AM:
" We were all once kids and I'm sure once in your life you've made a bad call, I know I have and many others that have, I guess I got to say I was one of the lucky ones, with out any others or myself having to suffer any consequences but some didn't get so lucky.Their is no such thing as perfect! Parents can try to do their best in raising a child and especially now a days it's alot harder than what it use to be.This is just how the world spins.It's sad,I grew up with the Jackson's AND Mazza family which I highly respect and I want to say I'm so very sorry.I do have to say Why do we not have are own Drivers ED program in Kalama anymore?When I went to school we did and we had more than just one day a week,it was every day for a quarter we were learning and we had more drive time.The school gets funded by having a preschool for the more needed kids which it's great! Why not our own Drivers Ed program that we once had. I think that the car should be placed at the school so every time the kids are leaving or coming will remember,what a bad choice can do. The school is one of our learning ground. "
To TDN wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:12 AM:
" Listen to all these keyboard preachers I think it's time to stop the comments section. "
Just Me wrote on Feb 29, 2008 8:14 AM:
" WAIT!! WE CANT RAISE THE AGE OF DRIVING TO 18!! HOW WILL THEY KNOW HOW TO DRIVE TANKS WHEN WE ARE LETTING THE (INSERT ENEMY) USE THEM FOR TARGET PRACTICE???? "
Sharena wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:21 AM:
" They weren't in school becaus e we had a half day that day. We got out at 11:30 that day. "
re Matt Waldrip wrote on Feb 29, 2008 9:53 AM:
" You keep saying "don't judge us", what would you expect? Yes ALOT of people speed, but this accident was more than just speed, it was reckless and irresponsible. Joel not only put himself and the group of boys in the car at risk but also all of us innocent people out there. To go 85-90 miles per hour and not expect that it would have tragic results proves that he (and probably all of you) don't have good enough judgement to be driving. Good judgement involves maturity. Maturity is something that is developed over time. To be mature involves learning from ones past mistakes. Saying "I'm sorry" is not always enough. The proof is in the pudding on this one bud...grow up and learn from your past mistakes, that would be the way to prove how remorseful you are then when people judge you they can say they see how much you have matured and learned.
In the mean time more law enforcement is what we need, there just isn't enough out there to patrol our rural roads and catch these punks in action. "
In the mean time more law enforcement is what we need, there just isn't enough out there to patrol our rural roads and catch these punks in action. "
Concerned Neighboor wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:04 AM:
" These are by no means the first to drive stupidly. I would like to see the car parked at the driveway into to the school so that parents and kids alike can see it. Then send pictures of the cars home to parents. maybe have both last years car and this years car involved. Time to wake up. A few of our kids are making bad choices. I dont have a problem with 16 year olds gettting driver's licenses, just dont give them unsupervised access to drive. "
1989 KALAMA GRAD wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:08 AM:
" i DON'T KNOW IF THEY STILL DO THIS, BUT WHEN I WAS IN SCHOOL, THE LOCAL POLICE AND FIRE WOULD 'STAGE' A WRECK, UNANNOUNCED, IN THE HIGH SCHOOL PARKING LOT. IT WOULD USUALLY INVOLVE A REAL WRECKED AUTOMOBILE AND INCOPORATE LOCAL DRAMA STUDENTS TO 'ACT' AS VICTIMS ETC. ALTHOUGH, IT WAS A JOKE TO SOME, I FEEL IT SENT A GOOD MESSAGE TO MOST AND HAD A BIG IMPACT. MAYBE IT IS SOMETHING THE DRAMA CLUB SHOULD LOOK INTO DOING? "
Local res. wrote on Feb 29, 2008 10:44 AM:
" I have family living on that stretch of road. If you choose to endanger your own life, so be it, but to endanger the lives of others is inexcusable. "
They're fools wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:26 AM:
" Sure it is sad. But they are old enough to make their own decisions and they are stupid! "
Old wrote on Feb 29, 2008 11:47 AM:
" If an old person gets on the freeway going the wrong way and causes an accident (It's happened more than once), they blame it on poor signage. Never the old person's fault, never. But when it's a teen or young person, old people sure know how to blame others. "
Brandon's Dad wrote on Feb 29, 2008 12:29 PM:
" Thanks to those of you who give our kids your prayers. WE ALL were children once, so PLEASE don't be so judgemental on them. This event has traumatic effect on many people...........so please talk from your hearts & not your self-rightiousness. "
Kalama Student wrote on Feb 29, 2008 2:41 PM:
" Just for all the comments about it being around lunch time and all the crap about that! We have a scheduled early release every month just like Kelso has late start and an assembly schedule we have early release so drop that point! are prayers are with our fellow students! "
a girl who cares wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:47 PM:
" First off. maybe instead of blaming everyone. you could have a heart and just be happy that no one died. im sick of people changing accidents into a aruguement. are we not human. do we all not make mistakes sometimes. get real people. When you dont even know the people or anything about it but what the news tell you then dont act like you know everything that is going on. cause you dont. not everything was the drivers fault. people make a choice to do things, and they choose to take the risk of going fast. he wasnt showing off. People shouldnt make this into some kind of battle. adults speed to. cant say the dont cause they are some of the ones that die every single day. so what do you want to raise the licence age all the way up to 50. You need to accept the fact that people make mistakes and are forgivin for it. Be kind and just pray for them to get better thats all you can do. And about bring samantha into this is messed up. she has nothing to do with other peoples mistakes. and yeah im sure this was a hard thing for matt to go threw again. but who are any of you to say oh you would of thought that after last year he would of learned.give people are brake for real. its gets really old when people judge others. matt joel cody & brandon. i "
To Longview Mom wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:47 PM:
" The Longview Mom who keeps getting rearended should learn that even these accidents can be prevented. I got rearended once and I admit that it was partly my fault. There have been numerous times that I have prevented being rearended by being cognizant of what is going on behind me. Maybe it is wiser to run a yellow/red light than have someone up your bumper. "
Confused wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:48 PM:
" Must be just me, but I thought sentences ended with periods. I can't even understand these messages from what I guess to be students. Boy, text messaging has done wonders for our writing skills. "
kalama grad 06 army wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:40 PM:
" i joined the army right out of highschool. i used to drive fast but i was never in an accident or hurt anybody. if i catch somebody driving crazy i will tan their hide and i dont care what everbody thinks. it is wrong and stupid. maybe somebody should think about a federal prison. it is stupid to keep hearing of this. 13 months i will spend more time in iraq the next two years. if you want to go fast drive a race car that way only you are in the car dont keep killing your friends. "
Another Relative wrote on Feb 29, 2008 5:57 PM:
" Why is it that people are so quick to "assume" or "judge" something they really don't know enough about. Do you know the facts? Yes, speed may have contributed, but is it possible there was a mechanical failure? What about peer pressure? Were the fellow passengers egging the driver on? Were you there and wittnessed it? People were hurt and they are only alive by the grace of God. Pray for these kids instead of condemming them. Age is not going to make a whole lot of difference. I know a 27 year old that drives without a license and drives worse than most 16 year olds and he isn't the only one. "
RE: Old wrote on Feb 29, 2008 6:12 PM:
" Thank you for this comment! It was the only thing I could think of after: I hope the kids are okay and that my thoughts go out to them and their families. I remember what it was like when I was a teen. Just please learn from this! Anyway, back to my thank you.... I have had more horrible experiences with elderly drivers than with teen drivers. Both of the accidents I have been in have been the fault of elderly men. I hate it when people discriminate against teens for the fact that they are 'young, dumb, and inexperienced'. There is only one way for teens to get driving experience. Just go back and realistically remember (if you can) your teen self and I think you will find that these kinds of mistakes are familiar somehow.... "
Joel's Cousin wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:09 PM:
" Instead of throwing out angry statements about stupidity, and laying blame everywhere...let's just take a second and THANK GOD that these kids aren't dead! Joel, the Lord will see you through this. He loves you and so do I! I know you'd take it all back if you could. Brandon, we're all praying that your life will be back on track soon. Get better. Love, Colleen. "
Re: Stop judging until you know the story better, send prayer instead wrote on Feb 29, 2008 7:18 PM:
" Wow, uhm..the title of your comment, and the content of it, made me wonder if it was the same person that did both. Your title says don't judge send prayer...but all you did was judge Joel, and "guarenteed" what the other boys were thinking. YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU'RE EVEN TALKING ABOUT! So...take your own advice...don't judge, send prayer. You said "we can't pass judgement on anyone util we know the story" Does that mean that your version of it as printed in your comment is the real story? I don't think so...maybe you need to take better care with what you say. "
JR wrote on Mar 1, 2008 9:46 AM:
" To those saying "Don't judge us because you don't know us" you need to know that no judge is allowed know any of the visitors to his/her courtroom. No jury member is allowed to know any of the participants. That's the way it is in the world. When you drive yourself into an injury-causing accident by going 90 mph on a road posted at half that speed you will make the newspaper, and then all sorts of strangers will judge you. We are all judged by people who do not know us, and the best way to avoid all that nasty stuff is to obey the law and stay out of the newspapers. Accidents happen, which this incident was not. It was a criminal act, and criminals are judged all the time. Suck it up, admit errors of judgment were made, make the necessary apologies and make restitution to those harmed. Only then will there be personal growth. "
kalama student wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:02 AM:
" even tho it was a half day there was absolutely no reason for the other kids to get in the car with him knowing he wasn't exactly the most responsible.... let alone not tell him to slow down! you'd think matt especailly would learn by the last accident, i hope all these kids have a full recovery. they all mean a lot to me and the rest of the school. "
Joels older sister wrote on Mar 1, 2008 10:25 AM:
" I just keep reading more of these comments and you people that have no hearts, I swear, I hope this happens to you. But maybe someone you love will actually die...and guess what, all of us people that actually care, will just laugh in your face. And you'll know how it feels. And guess what, we took drivers ed in Longview...haha. Isn't that ironic. At least we're not out doing drugs all day long and skipping school. Oh and I graudated last year and guess what....my whole class actually graduated. So if you want to compare schools....Kalama is definantly one of top schools in the county. Look at our wasl scores, then look at your schools. If you want to compare schools or towns. Lets do it. Come on. Im ready. Kelso has a day care, obnviouslythey have more sluts....right? And RaLong...known for their drugs. Mark Morris...known for their needles. Whats Kalama known for. Stupidity, Haha. We're only known for being dumb...well I think getting pregnant at the age of 16 or being known for drugs is stupidity. Pregnancy is an accident. Car accidents are accidents. And no body asked my brother to stop the car. Come on, stop being trying to make excuses to make my brother look bad. Half of you dont know these four kids. These kids are way better than any kids that are from Longview or Kelso. They dont smoke crack, drink an drive, do meth or impregnate girls. "
re Joels older sister wrote on Mar 1, 2008 3:51 PM:
" WOW...to say accidents are accidents are one thing...this was a 'PREVENTABLE" accident. And I hope and pray for you that no one gets in any kind of accident and dies because you just sounded like a selfless, cold hearted spoiled little child with your comments that you want to laugh at other peoples losses! I know you are hurt by what is happening to your brother but your comments were totally uncalled for. "
chels wrote on Mar 1, 2008 5:46 PM:
" brandon i hope you get well soon and all of u who are judging them need to back up.
matt is an awsome person learn how to get to know hiom b4 u judge joel ive went out with u and i know ur one of the nicest people in this world.joel im sorry this happend. and for all of u who think that ur kool causeu can judge some one it just make u guys look like hipicritical jerks. brandon when u get better i hope you and zach go scare people in ur monkey suits =] "
matt is an awsome person learn how to get to know hiom b4 u judge joel ive went out with u and i know ur one of the nicest people in this world.joel im sorry this happend. and for all of u who think that ur kool causeu can judge some one it just make u guys look like hipicritical jerks. brandon when u get better i hope you and zach go scare people in ur monkey suits =] "
Brandon's dad wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:12 AM:
" Thank you all for all of your prayers and backing! It is very heartfelt, especially from Erica and April. Brandon is slowly on his way to recovery. Please keep Brandon in your prayers! All of the Jackson family are the the best people ever. I'm sorry for those of you who have any negative thoughts because of these CHILDREN'S actions.........GOD WILL be with all of them no matter what your thoughts. PLEASE do NOT judge ANY of these children, for they all are blessings to all of US!! Keep Up the Prayers PLEASE!!!! "
Brandon's dad wrote on Mar 2, 2008 12:38 AM:
" I'm so happy that so many people are & have been perfect for so long that they can judge these CHILDREN whom are in the majority state of growing into adults. SORRY NOBODY is PERFECT unless you hide behind hipocritical mirrors! THANK all of you in Kalama for your support. Let GOD be our only judge. THE WORLD is yours Brandon!!WE ALL LOVE YOU "
Attn: All Kids~pick your friends better. wrote on Mar 2, 2008 1:39 AM:
" See the slideshow @ http://www.kptv.com/slideshow/news/15453600/detail.html') This was not an accident. Noone drives that fast by accident. There is consequence in hurting others and/or themselves. There is consequence for having no fear of the law. Peer pressure or not, what would cause someone to be "willing" to risk their own lives to this extent? I cannot imagine if anyone had been walking their dog down this road or pulling out of their driveway as this car came around the corner. There were some angels flying high above Kalama on this day. Thank goodness they were gracious and giving to those that deserved. Kalama kids,it's important for all of you to know who your friends are. Friends don't put your life in jeopardy, friends make sure you are safe. This isn't the responibility of your schools or your parents. It's your responsibility to make decisions that are law abiding and make friends that will keep you safe. Drivers Ed. did teach you about driving the speed limit and about safety. You know the consequences because you've been taught. If someone is a known problem, they "aren't" cool. You don't want to be them. They don't care about themselves. Why do you think they can care for you? Cool people play sports,get good grades, keep themselves safe and follow rules. It's up to you to stop the devastation. Stop allowing others to hurt you. Don't let someone "Peer Pressure YOU"! To the Drivers older sister, your not helping your brother at all! "
re: to longview mom wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:05 PM:
" I do know what is going on behind me. Other people not paying attention. I have actually watched a couple of them rearend me because they are talkin on their phone or messing with the stereo. I watched what guys mouth say "OH $#!*" right before he hit me at 35 mph coming off the kelso bridge. Oh and do you suppose me running a red light, hitting another car or possibly a person walking in a crosswalk would really prevent me from being in an accident Or should I just step on the gas and rearend the person in front of me. Congratulations you should get the driver of the year award because you prevented yourself from being rearended one time. Obviously you haven't been driving long. "
Jynx wrote on Mar 2, 2008 2:27 PM:
" No one is claiming better parenting skills or claiming to be a perfect parent here. We, as readers, grow tired of reading that our children's peers keep making poor choices that places others, meaning other students, parents, small children, grandparents ect., in harm's way. It best to learn from mistakes and thank God or whatever you believe that no one was injured or killed. As Brandon's father, you really should be showing a bit more maturity- if in fact that is who you really are. And why did TDN allow 'Joels older sister' to post what she did with the disgusting words she used? I live in Kalama, and that was seriously inmature and uncalled for. "
danahan01 wrote on Mar 2, 2008 4:17 PM:
" I think if your lucky enough to live after you pull a stunt like this you should have your license jerked for a long while. For those of you who think that a drivers license is a privilage, think about this. In America you have the right to vote or own a gun. So, if we apply the same rules....to vote you have to be a certain age, just like to drive. To vote you have to prove who you are, just like to get a license. You can lose your right to vote. If you commit a felony, or forget to pay your taxes. If you get to many tickets, or don't pay your fines you lose your license. If you think that driving is a privilege, think again. You have to right to drive, obey the law, get insurance, and realize that if you speed, can't make the turn, crash, hurt or kill someone you will lose your right to drive, just like you would lose your right to vote or own a firearm if you commit a felony, forget to pay your taxes or try to elude the police while driving a car. I have teenagers that drive, and believe me, they have no idea what it's like to wreck a car or the consequences that come with it. Maybe part of drivers ed should be to crash a car into a wall with only the student inside. "
MW wrote on Mar 2, 2008 6:49 PM:
" please people just stop your comments believe it or not hurt i know we screwed up but we've all learned i know i should have learned the first time i'm sorry i didn't it will never happen again "
Judge wrote on Mar 3, 2008 6:44 AM:
" When our county court system handed Pat three months in juvy for killing Sam, you could almost hear the collective horse laugh from the Kalama Crash Club. Lesson learned? Now I'm laughing. The weather is starting to turn, and soon the days will be longer. Gentlemen, start your engines. "
A mom wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:37 AM:
" Ok so there are some comments on the school and early out. I have a great solution to kids and cars. If the finger gets pointed to the school there is a simple solution. Students are not allowed to park on campus. To deter driving and have a two hour limit in the surrounding streets teachers and residents can have a special permit to exempt them from the hours limits but this way it would make it harder for kids to drive to school. This is not a absolute but it is a beginning. It is a grass roots answer that only has to be approved by the school and the city council to be implemented. "
Local Res. wrote on Mar 3, 2008 11:52 AM:
" This is not an age issue, but a total lack of respect for human life issue. Innocent teens should not be punished for the acts of another. Most teens do respect the rules of the road, but unfortunately bad apples do try to spoil the barrel. This was not an accident. This was a violent act against the community. We deserve to be outraged. Laws were created to protect us against such people and the law will punish them accordingly. I hope it makes an example of them. "
Local Res. wrote on Mar 3, 2008 12:55 PM:
" This is not an age issue, but a total lack of respect for human life issue. Innocent teens should not be punished for the acts of another. Most teens do respect the rules of the road, but unfortunately bad apples do try to spoil the barrel. This was not an accident. This was a violent act against the community. We deserve to be outraged. Laws were created to protect us against such people and the law will punish them accordingly. I hope it makes an example of them. "
Kristanna Boettcher wrote on Mar 3, 2008 1:36 PM:
" This isn't a matter of either having sympathy for those involved in the wreck or feeling a lesson should be taken from it. If the parents of these kids truly care about them, they'll make sure that they're punished accordingly. This wasn't an accident. It was caused by the driver's irresponsibility. It really does reflect poorly on other teenage drivers (myself, for the past three years), when people make mistakes like this and the blame is given entirely to their age, and no real consequence is given. There are plenty of us out there on the road, being careful of drivers like this, and it makes me scared to the core to think about my little brother getting into the car with a driver like this. It's time to really crack down on kids for driving recklessly. "
Kalama/LCC 06 Grad wrote on Mar 3, 2008 4:15 PM:
" I live in Kalama and I get so angry when these stupid teenagers ride my bumper and speed. I'm sorry, but if my sister did the same thing, I would say that she was being stupid and that she should experience the consequences for her stupidity. If I did something as idiotic as drive 90+ mph on a 40 mph road, I would expect to face my consequences, as well. But since I don't live in Dreamland where I don't die and there are no rules, I obey the rules and I am fully aware that I must keep control of my vehicle or I will do serious damage. I had an advantage that most kids don't: my dad taught me to drive from the age of 12, so I was taught how to control a vehicle and obey rules long before I got my permit. Unfortunately, not all kids can receive the training I had, but please stress the duties they have as a member of the road. I believe that the drivers and passengers in these situations are good people (or have the potential to be) but they should know better, they should just know better, I don't know what to say. I know friends and fun music seem to make me drive a little faster, so I know it's easy to fall into, so please realize that you have the power to protect people with your driving or to kill "
Brandons' mom wrote on Mar 3, 2008 8:10 PM:
" If any of you know my son you know he is a very careful person. When he is driving he respects all the laws. Unfortunely he has a traumanic brain injury and he doesnt remember that whole day or why they were speeding. He wants to know. Beleive me he has alot of questions. I wish when you make your comments you would also let us know if you have walked in our shoes. "
My 16 yr. old.. wrote on Mar 4, 2008 1:15 PM:
" ..did not get his license because he did not demonstrate to his father and I 1)good decision making skills, 2)a handle on his anger management, 3)he could resist peer pressure, 4) and that he was mature enough to be trustworthy with a killing machine. It was a difficult decision, but it had to be done for the protection of my child and everyone else on the road. That is a walk in my shoes. "
Concerned Sister wrote on Mar 4, 2008 7:58 PM:
" This is tragic and the sad thing is I saw this all happen when I was in school. They'd bring the wrecked car by the school have us watch we'd be in ahh and that was it. It didn't feel real that the person was gone. Not till my senior year of high school when one of my close friends wrecked it hit home. I'm a careful driver and I know others aren't. Parents need to be judging there childrens competency on driving. My brother is a student at kalama and he doesn't have his license because he can't distinguish right from wrong and lives in the "fast and furious world" Thinking its all about running from cops. It really comes down to the parents....sorry but it does buck up and take responsiblity for how you handle your children. Watch them drive, mine did and commented on mine. It has made me a good and cautious driver. My thoughts and prayers are with these families, I also pray every day my brother will make the right decisions and not ride with other classmates. "
To brandon's mom wrote on Mar 5, 2008 9:39 AM:
" Thank god we do not have to walk in your shoes. My greatest fear is to have something happen to one of my kids. I don't think anyone is pleased or believes that they got what they deserve. I think they feel that it is so senseless and are in actuallality very angry that this happened at all. Just remember this is all new. We as humans have to go through the cycle of emotions, do not take this as a personal attack... as I don't believe it is. However, I do think A mom has a point eliminate the driving to school but in reality that is only the surface of the problem..
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make rules wrote on Mar 5, 2008 11:52 AM:
" Do what I did as a parent. Your not allowed to have anyone in the car with you when your driving and let them know that you are watching their ever move and if the rule is broken that their bike is their only set of wheels that they will have to worry about until they are adult enough to follow this rule. My kids are good driver now because I let them know that that was my car and I was just letting them use it it could be taken away at anytime. Small towns have eyes and ears, Please let the parents know when their kids are acting stupid out in the real world the parents will thank you for it. Kids follow the RULES it is for your own good and you'll thank them for it later. Hope that your all going to be alright... "
old car wrote on Mar 5, 2008 12:03 PM:
" I remember when our kids got their drivers license they wanted fast cars like everyone else but we bought them older ones that wouldn't go super fast and then they had to prove that they could drive like adults and then they worked their way up to a better ones. I knew that their car would only do 60 miles an hour before it was taped out. I didn't care about keeping up with the Jones I cared about my kids....... "
Judge wrote on Mar 5, 2008 3:24 PM:
" We as parents should be insisting that the school be educating our kids instead of how the new football field will look. Or how the football team will do this year. We should be asking them to fund the scholastic part of their education as well. They need to be devoting time to skills that students will need in life. And oh yeah, how about bringing back Drivers Ed. "
Mike wrote on Mar 5, 2008 4:23 PM:
" Kids and carwrecks the statistics are alarming. Lets make the legal age to drive 18 around the country.I think those two years would make a big difference simply because of maturity factors.What about it America? "
21 year old of kelso wrote on Mar 5, 2008 11:19 PM:
" WOW... you people sure know how to bash each other and the kids and parents involved, but can you honestly say that at some point you haven't done something you should not have? Instead of talking crap to each other and about other people, maybe you should just... I don't know... give thanks that the kids were not killed. Death is everywhere and I (personally) am scared of it. I admit that I speed from time to time when I am running late. Everyone does. But when I feel a little extra pull around a corner, or feel that I pushing it, I slow it down and my heart races.
I have never been in an accident and I pray that I never will be.
To the involved parties and their parents... I give my deepest reguards.
Also... I hope you come to realize that speeding doesn't make you cool. Yeah, we all do it, but at least know your limit.
To all those bashing each other... can you please just take a look at the big picture here? The kids are alive and that's all that matters.
I know that I'm young and all that, but someone needs to make a little sense on here. "
I have never been in an accident and I pray that I never will be.
To the involved parties and their parents... I give my deepest reguards.
Also... I hope you come to realize that speeding doesn't make you cool. Yeah, we all do it, but at least know your limit.
To all those bashing each other... can you please just take a look at the big picture here? The kids are alive and that's all that matters.
I know that I'm young and all that, but someone needs to make a little sense on here. "
Kalama Mom wrote on Mar 6, 2008 7:51 AM:
" To the parents, friends and apologists of the driver and his friends, WHERE ARE YOUR BRAINS? If you don't want people to judge, then don't allow your child to commit a crime. I am the mother of a 16 year old driver, and he knows there will be HE&* to pay if he does something like this. His car would be gone, he freedoms and priviledges as well. Reckless driving is a crime, and they will be judged, whether you like it or not. If not for the grace of God, there would have been another fatality, and there could have been dead innocent bystanders as well. If you don't want to be judged, don't break the law! "
To Kalama Mom wrote on Mar 6, 2008 9:08 AM:
" How can you "don't allow your child to commit a crime." You must have super powers because I have a 14,12, and 7 year old and I have certain expectations for their behavior but they do not always listen or abide by my expectations. Now to "judge" This is not a school issue. They "they school" was not driving the car and they are not responsible for raising our kids, At some point the driver of the car has to take responsiblility. The driver made the decision to go fast and they need to suffer the consequences. "
Hmmmm wrote on Mar 7, 2008 8:57 AM:
" Well first off I hope the kids in the accident are ok and don't have any serious long term injuries like the one from the other wreck. Secondly this makes me think of when I was a kid near that age driving down that very same at nightnight going about 70 mph. I was stopped by a cop at the chevron and given a warning. It could have easily been me in that situation but I was lucky. I hope that he and others learn a lesson from this and take things more seriously. Also I think people need to stop blaming parents, and schools. They are teenagers they are gonna do what they want to do to a certain extent. I know I did and I had amazing parents and I turned out just fine, actually more then fine I think. So before we go on ranting on about schools should do this parents should do that, this is what my kid does or I do with my kid. Take a step back and think of the dumb stuff you did as a teenager. Did you learn from it? Would anything your teachers or parents had told have any effect on that mistake? Probably not so just be glad that everyone is alive and hope for a speedy recovery for the injured the court system will figure the rest out. "
brandon's friend wrote on Mar 7, 2008 1:53 PM:
" hey first of all it's matt not michael. brandon i miss u. i miss my best friend. i'm glad to hear that u r doing better. and the kids weren't skipping school it was a half day. "
RE; Joels older sister wrote on Mar 7, 2008 5:46 PM:
" Wow. If your school is better than all of the other local schools we are all in big trouble. Check your spelling and grammer. These are things taught in English. You should have received a book when you took that class. Did you open said book? Oh, and "guess what"? Car "accidents" that involve the driver pushing the car to 90+ MPH are not "accidents". They are crimes. Oh, and "guess what"? I do know some of these "children" and I would not let them watch my pets for the weekend, let alone drive a car. Oh, and "guess what"? I do know who and what I am talking about... "
someone who cares wrote on Mar 10, 2008 1:31 PM:
" i love u guys and i'm glad that u guys r okay. and they weren't skipping school it was a half day. and we get our license the same place that the longview and kelso kids do so u all need to grow up and stop judging and take a chance to thank god that these kids are alive "
brandon's friend wrote on Mar 10, 2008 1:35 PM:
" brandon i'm glad to hear that u r doing better. my heart goes out to all of the families involved in this tragic accident , but stop judging joel and step back and thank god that these kids are alive. brandon is an awesome perwon to hang-out with u never see him in a bad mood he always has a smile on his face. i love u brandon,cody,joel,and matt "
another grandmother wrote on Mar 13, 2008 12:07 PM:
" While everyone is spouting blame about early school release, lack of school providing drivers ed, why not blame the car manufacturer for making a car that goes over the posted speed limit? That makes as much sense. It would not make a difference if the driver had gotten his license later, he would still have been a "new" driver at some point. Are teens the ONLY drivers who speed and have accidents? that is what it was ..AN ACCIDENT. Sure the driver should not have been going that fast, but it was an accident, not an "on purpose" And a tragedy. Can all the finger pointers say that they have NEVER done anything dumb? Maybe they just did not get caught..did not have the consequences of this accident. "
4 dead in Forks, WA wrote on Mar 15, 2008 5:34 PM:
" To all of the people that think an accident was punishment enough. Shame on you. It isn't enough! There are 4 kids dead in Forks, WA from the same type of circumstances.. oh they were partying too! One of the girls in the car was thrown from the car because they weren't seatbelted and she got ran over on the highway by another car coming along because they couldn't see her laying on the road. Remember this is out in the boondocks.. no street lights city folk... Sure she got a punishment, so did their families... but the living now should go on and start speaking about their pain to kids like in Kalama who don't listen to warnings or survive crashes and don't learn from it!!!! Matt, Michael... whatever! The point is... start growing a brain parents and start talking to kids about choices. If they tell you ya ya.. then get some dang pictures of accidents and show them what can happen! Take them to visit the parent of a kid who died needlessly from the kids' carelessness! Do what you need to get through to your kids that cars are not toys. I am amazed at the passive people in this world!!! "
pathetic wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:32 AM:
" can't you just be happy that nobody died? apparently not, you're all just so quick to judge and think this is the worst. well obviously it's not.
you don't know if these boys have learned, just because one of them were involved in two wrecks doesn't mean he hasn't learned. he wasn't driving either times, so quit saying he hasn't learned.
and even if they haven't learned maybe their peers have learned. i suggest you talk to your kids about this like my parents did to me.
why are you all so quick to judge us? honestly. "
you don't know if these boys have learned, just because one of them were involved in two wrecks doesn't mean he hasn't learned. he wasn't driving either times, so quit saying he hasn't learned.
and even if they haven't learned maybe their peers have learned. i suggest you talk to your kids about this like my parents did to me.
why are you all so quick to judge us? honestly. "
Well Said wrote on Mar 17, 2008 10:59 AM:
" To four dead in Forks, thank you for the sobering statement. We have got to get through to these kids somehow. If only one life is saved it will be worth it. "
bshaw wrote on Mar 18, 2008 10:57 PM:
" i drive on the same roads these kids have crashed and died on. funny how i see people that could be there parents driving the same way. learned behavior? the driving age needs to be bumped up, drivers ed needs to be stricter. parents need the right to disipline there kids at a younger age to help them later in life. and some parents just need to try to be that, a parent. "
sp wrote on Mar 20, 2008 9:59 AM:
" Maybe as a part of drivers Ed class it should be manditory for the students to visit the mougue before passing the class.I bet that would help some of them get a better image in their minds what death looks like. "
joels sister wrote on Mar 20, 2008 1:42 PM:
" GIVE IT UP PEOPLE.....YOUR ANNOYING WITH ALL YOUR RUDE COMMENTS AND NONSENSE. WEREN'T YOU TAUGHT...IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY DON'T SAY ANYTHING..TRY GOING THROUGH WHAT MY BROTHER IS GOING THROUGH RIGHT NOW. GIVE IT A REST. THIS WAS ALMOST A MONTH AGO....GOSH. AND MY BROTHER AND HIS FRIENDS WEREN'T PARTYING..THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH PARTIES..SO THE FORKS THING, HAS NO PART IN THIS. "
TRAGIC wrote on Mar 21, 2008 5:42 PM:
" THIS IS SAD, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, SLOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW DOWN AND BE SAFE!!! SEEMS THAT THE STATE SHOULD SAY NO IF YOU UNDER THE AGE OF 21!!!!! YOU CANT BUY BEER, SO WHY DRIVE? DRIVING IS A PRIVELIGE !!! THINK ABOUT IT!!! MY THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS ARE WITH THE FAMILIES "
Kalama rez. wrote on Mar 24, 2008 3:13 PM:
" Hey Joel's sister-do you drive like a bat our he&& too? You are sure showing off your lack of class and intelligence by your comments. Please let us know when YOU are going to drive-I want to not be on the road then. "
Woggle wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:27 AM:
" To all the banjo pickers out there chanting in unison that this was "Just An Accident" (dang, we all could write a pretty cool country song to them words) just remember one thing... accidents of this sort never ever happen at the speed limit. It was no accident. It was a horrific consequence of committing a crime. When a death occurs during the commission of a crime it's called manslaughter. That's what darling little Joel would be facing right now should someone have died. Since nobody died we are all being told to forget about it because we have all done stupid things in our past. This kid needs at least a little jail time. "
kalama parent wrote on Mar 25, 2008 10:31 AM:
" This is to What who asked where do kalama students take drivers ed? Well they go to the same place that kelso/longview go to. "
holy cow wrote on Mar 25, 2008 12:54 PM:
" ok, so why are people still arguing about this and posting comments?!?!? THIS HAPPENED A MONTH AGO PEOPLE!!! GET OVER IT AND SHUT UP! "
kalama parent wrote on Mar 25, 2008 1:08 PM:
" I am a resident in kalama as well and have 2 kids in the school there.I've read or heard about several different accidents that have involved a carload of teenagers. It seems to me that kids these days are a lot more riskier in their behaviors. Some of them have no respect at all for their elders. Something I haven't read in these comments is that the age of reasoning is 7. When you are a teenager you are well beyond that and should be able to make decisions on your own. It sounds to me that the young man that got into two accidents just plain hangs out with the wrong crowd. In my mind that is just not a coincidence. I understand from a previous writer that his elderly grandparents has raised him. I'm sure they did the best they could. But give me a break. How are they going to be able to handle a teenaged boy. He needs to choose his friends better, so that way he won't end up dead. If he continues down this path he WILL end up dead. There are only so many free passes and then you use them up. "
re: Kalama Parent wrote on Mar 27, 2008 12:57 PM:
" I suppose you're going to tell us next that your children are PERFECT and that they NEVER make bad choices? I doubt it. "
RE: Woggle wrote on Mar 28, 2008 1:34 PM:
" Do you know Joel personally? Do you even live in kalama? Do you know anyone in his family? If not, you have absolutely NO right to say any of the things you said. You aren't a judge, a policeman or an authority figure of any kind. Why are you saying what Joel "should" get? "
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