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Cops detonate bomb at Kelso pot grow

Thursday, February 7, 2008 5:36 AM PST

By Leslie Slape
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Although a burglar alarm turned out to be false, it led to a big drug bust with an explosive finish.

A security company sent Kelso police to check on a residence the 1000 block of South 12th Avenue early Tuesday morning, saying that Joshua Stewart Ball didn't give the right code.

Police said when Ball answered the door, a strong odor of fresh marijuana wafted out.

After verifying that Ball was not a burglar, the officers told him what they smelled and asked for permission to search. He refused, so police got a warrant, the report said.

Officers said they found 25 growing marijuana plants and a suitcase containing processed marijuana and $1,000 cash. In the area where plants were growing, police said they found an improvised explosive device.

The Portland Bomb Squad responded and detonated the bomb on the dredge spoils along the Cowlitz River.

Ball, 27, of Longview was booked on suspicion of marijuana manufacture/delivery and possession of an incendiary device. Bail was set at $25,000.

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Another example ... wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:05 AM:

" Of the many ways pot screws up your brains. The guy was so stoned he couldn't even remember his alarm code. Well, based on stupidity alone, he's going to get what he deserves and he becomes another poster child for the argument against EVER legalizing pot. "

somedude wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:49 AM:

" ROFLMAO! That would have been great to see him sweat! I do not smoke but sorry I am for legalizing it for many, many reasons! There is not one shred of proof that It is harmful, they don't even have any proof that it causes lung cancer, but they have proved that it helps medically for more things than you would think I was amazed when I read what it helps, not amazed, shocked! I also watched my cousin die of cancer and it helped her, alot or so she told me when she was still with us and she was against smoking it at first! "

funny wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:57 AM:

" how marijauana is legal in parts of europe and accepted there, and how few dumb rednecks they have there compared to here. why isnt meth a problem in europe, but here in cowlitz county it is a epidimic that police dont want to stop. "

A Neighbor wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:37 AM:

" Josh, thats karma, for your pinner sacks! "

Re; funny wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:47 AM:

" Its because most meth heads started their drug adiction by smoking pot!!! "

went to school w/ this bone head wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:00 AM:

" At least we know he turned out to be a productive member of our community!! Too bad it took him 10 years to get caught! "

Proof? wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:21 AM:

" Hey Somedude. Show me the studies you site that show proof pot is not harmful. You are sadly mislead if you truly believe what you say. "

re: somedude wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:24 AM:

" You are completely ignorant if you think marijuana use has no harmful effects. Where in the world do you get your information? You pull it out of your @#$ ? Sure it has some benefits medically. A lot of drugs fall into that class, does not mean that persistent use is NOT harmful. You really should READ a little before 'spouting' what amounts to an uninformed opinion. You are unbelievable. There's more than a 'shred' of evidence, there's volumes of evidence. Marijuana smoke has twice as much "tar" as cigarette smoke and significantly increases chance of lung cancer, inflammation and infection. If you doubt me, I can provide you the LINK. Just unbelievable.......upon further thought, coming from YOU it's not. "

Hey ....funny...... wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:29 AM:

" Taken from a NOV 27, 2007 article in the New York Times: .....The methamphetamine epidemic is not just a scourge of the American heartland. It has a powerful foothold here in the heart of Central Europe..........seems you do not read either before posting your uniformed opinion. "

Real American wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:30 AM:

" I makes sense that he forgot his security code number. "

mgn wrote on Feb 7, 2008 11:46 AM:

" My aunt died of lung cancer she smoke pot only so no matter how you thinks it helps you. it will kill you so its not as great as you think. its dope and that is it!! its not good only pot head thinks so.smoking cause lung cancer and thats a fact! "

irritated neighbor wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:04 PM:

" Shame on him for dealing drugs and building bombs close to where my children live!! I hope he is punished to the fullest extent of the law. LOSER!! "

citizen wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:09 PM:

" The only reason tabacco and cigs are legal is because the Government can control who grows it and sells it, and they profit from it. Pot is ONLY illegal because ANYONE can grow it and sell it and the govt can't control that and make any profit. It's all a big money issue, they don't care about peoples health! "

Survey says ... wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:19 PM:

" A few years ago, I believe it was in the NY Times, one of the Ivy League schools, Yale or Harvard I believe, did a survey of death row inmates. Pot scored very high the list of factors that led to a life of crime and then to death row. While certainly there are some who see no negatives from social use, there are others who cannot function in a rational way after the use or after they have subjected themselves to long-term use. That is why it should and never will be legalized in this country. And this guy is strong proof of all of that. He's in such a haze, he's probably lucky he didn't blow him, his family and the neighbors up. Sorry but I don't want that kind of problem in my neighborhood. "

somedude wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:41 PM:

" I will try and find the articles online that I read a few years back, but they listed facts and myths, it was a study done by a College and it listed not one fact that showed Marijuana as Harmful, however it listed the helpful. I also have read the similar stuff online and I will try and find them "

Frustrated by stupidity wrote on Feb 7, 2008 12:57 PM:

" I'm sure if you surveyed death row inmates or any other criminals you would also find they all drank water at some point in their lives. By the logic used above, drinking water leads to a life of crime. I'm sure that smoking cigarettes could be shown to be a gateway drug. Or maybe peanut butter. If you surveyed those who smoked pot, and then determined how many of those people went on to harder drugs and criminal activity, you would have a valid study. Until then, these so-called studies are worthless government spin, whose sole purpose is to prop up the big-business of the "drug war". Keeping that going comes directly from prohibition; couldn't close down a government agency once it was established. Heaven forbid the sheep of this country, otherwise know as the average citizen, should open their eyes and see what is really happening. Just open another beer and keep believing everything on the television. "

kalama res wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:02 PM:

" I will name drugs that are more harmful than marijuana and are legal. Alcohol, Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Vicodin, Valium, Xanax, Salvia Divinorum. Marijuana is only illegal because of ignorance. You people that sit here and say bad things about marijuana, I'm sure you like to drink alcohol don't you? I'm sure you really like it when the doctor prescribe's you pain meds, dont ya? America's ignorance at it's best "

Citizen wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:07 PM:

" To Survey, OK, so it will never be legalized, I think that alcohol should be included also, what with all the accidents that have led to deaths by drunks driving, it should be the number one illegal substance. Hope you don't have to put down your beer to reply. "

hey somedude wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:16 PM:

" Try NORML's website if you are looking for propaganda about weed. "

Another perspective wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:35 PM:

" hey 'somedude & kalama rez' I suggest you do some reading @ the National Institute for Drug Abuse and see just how "harmful" marijuana is. Also 'kalama rez', the drugs you listed, with the exception of Alcohol, are controlled substances for a reason. Although indicated for specific medical conditions, they are NOT to be used as a recreational drug. I suspect your wish to have marijuana legal is so you CAN use it as such. Won't Happen. As far as 'Alcohol', it's the #1 abused drug in the country; wreaking more havoc than all others combined. It's certainly worked out having it legal huh? Over 43,000 per year Killed because of Drunk Drivers. "

haha wrote on Feb 7, 2008 1:54 PM:

" Way to go Ball Sack ! Who is so stupid they can't remember their own security code ? Josh should seriously think about giving up committing crimes . How many times has he got to be arrested ? "

survey says wrote on Feb 7, 2008 2:03 PM:

" you must belive all that you hear. how about smoking a bowl and seeing if it makes you want to rob a bank? Ill let you in on somthing, all its going to do is give you the giggles and munchies. So put the gun away and keep that bag of ruffles close by. "

I hope kids don't read these comments encouraging marijauna use!! wrote on Feb 7, 2008 2:17 PM:

" Here are things myself and many people I know DON'T do

1. smoke ciggarettes
2. use illegal drugs
3. use prescriptions that aren't needed.
4. consume alcohol
5. abuse over the counter medications

Yes, it is possible to a live a completely sober life. Maybe some of you should try it. If you don't like the fact that marijauna is illegal in the US, move to a different country!!
"

TO Kalama wrote on Feb 7, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Not all American take drugs just the ones that don't have a life they need to feel good about them self because they can't take real life!! weak minds now don't cry "

Re: Frustrated wrote on Feb 7, 2008 2:25 PM:

" Your ability to twist logic into anything you want to believe is incredible. You equate drinking water with smoking pot. Is water considered a drug? Does water alter your mental presence in any way? You aren't just frustrated. You are ridiculously dumb. "

re:kalama res wrote on Feb 7, 2008 3:38 PM:

" I agree 100%,especially about the pain meds,I almost died as a result of 0xycontin abuse,my fault I know,but it is a HUGE problem and there is very little awareness about it,Has ANYONE ever overdosed smoking grass?well????Is it physically addictive?no.Is it lethal at any dose?no.alcohol and pills are both. "

You Are Wrong.... wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:05 PM:

" Marijuana IS physically addictive. Also, you CAN overdose on THC. I can't believe how misinformed you people are. Where do you get your information, from your pot smoking buddies? NEWSFLASH, they are not the sharpest tools in the shed. You may want to read up a little, if you can. "

Really! wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:19 PM:

" Come on legalizing pot! Are you really stupid! How can anyone say it's not harmfull. Here's an idea, put your children in the car and drive all over with a bunch of stoned people driving with you! And when they kill your kids in a car wreck tell me it's no big deal! Your ignorance makes me sick! People who smoke pot are a hazard to all of us sober people! Just because it might not kill you dead with one inhale doesn't mean it's safe. I don't want any pot smokers around me or my kids! "

hey ! re:kalama res wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:24 PM:

" It may not be LETHAL at any dose, that is true, but it IS physically addictive. It has been proven in many studies. Sorry, you are wrong on that one. "

this is what happens wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:28 PM:

" this is what happen when you torture and abuse a child. they grow up to be a felon who cannot find his way. i am not into excuses, because now he is an adult, but this young man was abused to the point that he should have ptsd. i have not talked to him since he has been grown, so i don't know anything except for all that i read in the daily news, but if i had those kind of memories, i would probably be stoned out of my mind to forget it as well. "

Alex wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:40 PM:

" This is Exactly why I smoke Meth!
Meth keeps me normal. Whenever I smoke pot I Just find myself building Bombs and Stealing Scrap Metal:-) "

re!re:kalama res and You are wrong wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:51 PM:

" Show me evidence that it is Physically addictive?I'm an R.N.,I probably know a fair morer than You,and to RE:Kalama residence,You are luck too have survived Your addiction with oxycontin,very large problem that is not being addressed as it should.I'll be waiting for everyone's evidence,maybe Your right,prove it!! "

re:this is what happens wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:54 PM:

" Yes,Josh came from a very disfunctional family,but,alot of us had,edventually You still have to take account for Your own actions. "

re really! wrote on Feb 7, 2008 4:57 PM:

" than I suggest You and Your family investing in some property on Mars because it is ALL around YOU and YOUR KID's and it will alway's be. "

To somedude and Kalama Rez wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Your comments regarding the harmlessness of pot are WAY off base. In fact a recent study published by the jama found that Pot smoke has more carcinogens than cigarette smoke. Even without these new studies....YOU'RE INHALING SMOKE YOU NIMROD! OF COURSE IT'S HARMFUL!!!!!! Kalama Rez, you're just pathetic and your reasoning is flawed beyond belief... "

Overdose? wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:15 PM:

" That's got to be the funniest comment I've ever read.

Sure, you can overdose on weed if you smoke close to your body weight in grams (i.e. 180 pound person smoke 180 grams) within a 24 hour span. You'd have to smoke over 6 POUNDS to OD on weed. Physical impossibility. Get YOUR facts straight.

Also, it has been said TIME and TIME again that pot is NOT physically addictive. There are no chemical triggers in your brain that will lead to a crave. But, yes, there are PSYCHOLOGICAL addictions, where you THINK you need it. There are never any withdrawals as there are with alcohol/nicotine/meth. Again, get YOUR facts straight.

So, to You Are Wrong, you, my friend, are wrong. Sooooo, so, so, very wrong. Your scare tactics are fooling NOBODY, not even your 10 year old child who is taught these very things in D.A.R.E.

However, kids, drugs are bad. mmmkay? "

I'm an R.N. wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:33 PM:

" Well RN, how about you take all your knowledge and hop on the NIDA website and just educate your educated self. SHeesh, a Nurse should know better. You are obviously NOT a very good nurse. How much pot do you smoke? "

True Christian wrote on Feb 7, 2008 5:34 PM:

" God created Marijuana and God doesn't make mistakes. People make mistakes.God created man to have dominion (to dominate) over the plants and animals of the earth. That means we should harvest and eat the deer (if Weyerhauser hasn't poisened them all) and we should catch & eat the salmon (if the gillnetters haven't caught them all)and we should use the herbs in moderation. Herb is a wonderful thing when used correctly and in moderation. God is good. "

Hey Overdose wrote on Feb 7, 2008 6:01 PM:

" An overdose does not necessarily involve a fatality, you Nimrod. It IS possible to overdose on THC. Now go smoke your dope and shut up. "

The Overdose explained. wrote on Feb 7, 2008 6:05 PM:

" Physical effects of "overdose" include sedation, dizziness, numbness, muscle relaxation, loss of coordination, sensory deprivation, nausea, headache, and flu-like symptoms. Psychological effects of a marijuana "overdose" can include racing thoughts, confusion, memory loss, hallucinations, paranoia, depersonalization, nightmares, and depression.
"

Re: Hey Overdose wrote on Feb 7, 2008 6:34 PM:

" Sorry for the misinterpretation. Overdose on heroin/Overdose on pills VS. overdose on marijuana are two completely different things. Just making sure you aren't one to confuse the two. My explanation was, in fact, related to a fatal overdose. However, I'm just trying to provide an example of how, when compared to other drugs, marijuana is in a completely different class. Yes, a drug. No, not capable of the same destruction as heroin/meth/cocaine/etc. People still treat it as such. The "Gateway Drug Theory" IS true, yet I think it somewhat depends on the circumstances and varies from one person to the next, depending on their upbringing. I've seen both cases. It ain't gonna kill you, or lead you down that path, as long as you don't let it. "

Protect the Pot wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:01 PM:

" What are the chances that this alarm system was installed to protect the pot. "

Ok Charlie blow it wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:16 PM:

" LMAO Hey I was wondering if they detonated that bomb inside or outside of this guys house, you know how it is when opportunity comes knocking at your door and the cops are feeling a little frisky. "

To nurse wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:26 PM:

" Maybe you know a "fair morer" than most of us, but it's difficult to take you seriously (or as any kind of a professional) when you can't spell, you don't know the difference between "your" and "you're", and you've decided that appropriate punctuation and capitalization are simply too much effort. If, and I mean if you are a nurse, I'd love to know where you work so I don't go there for treatment. "

Real American wrote on Feb 7, 2008 8:34 PM:

" To the true Christian- In regards to the deer, Weyerhaeuser hasn't poisoned them all. I run them over in my log truck frequently.
"

Get Real wrote on Feb 7, 2008 9:44 PM:

" Cigs are legal....considered a drug. Alcohol is legal...considered a drug. Cigs are manufactured and additives are used to increase addiction...alcohol is manufactured and is one of the #1 causes of traffic accidents/family problems/etc...weed is all natural, god put it here for a reason - to smoke it. when the government figures out a way to control/tax it you will find it in your local Walmart. At least let people put something in their body that they can grow themselves without big business figuring out a way to profit from it. We have bigger problems than worrying about legalizing something that grows naturally. "

GET A GRIP wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:11 PM:

" I laugh as I read all these people trying to say that pot will actually put you on death row and don't want to be exposed to pot smokers. It blows me away to see how naive everyone is! I KNOW there are doctors, lawyers, and probably literally 70% if people around you, though they might not admit it, smoke pot!!! It DOES not make you go out and kill, show me a link to how many people have died when they were in a car with a pot smoker. I keep hearing all this stuff, but where is the evidence??? Alcohol is SO MUCH worse than pot and it is so funny to hear people sit there and say how horrible pot is then watch them have their NIGHTLY beers, wine etc. thinking they aren't doing anything cuz it's legal. It is unreal that alcohol is legal cuz it has proven to KILL what? Literally hundreds across the country daily???? POT IS NOT A GATEWAY DRUG EITHER!!! I AM JUST AMAZED AT THE IGNORANCE OF PEOPLE AND I am sure people will read mine and say oh she's too stoned to know any better... NOT SO! I am not saying it is great for you but it kills way less than alcohol and has great medical benefits! It is just relaxation for most people. They get stoned, sit back and relax!! "

re: all of you wrote on Feb 7, 2008 10:52 PM:

" It's all fun and games till someone gets
pregnant!!!! OOPS I DROPPED MY JOINT!!! "

Gateway ? wrote on Feb 8, 2008 4:35 AM:

"
Young people who smoke marijuana are two to five times more likely to move on to harder drugs. That is the formal opinion of researchers, who published their conclusions from a recent study in the Journal of the American Medical Association. "

Obama is in favor... wrote on Feb 8, 2008 7:54 AM:

" Of legaliizing the herb so take that! "

Read the NEWS! wrote on Feb 8, 2008 9:42 AM:

" http://www.reuters.com/article/healthNews/idUSHKG10478820080129 A recent study shows that one marijuana joint is as bad as smoking 20 cigarettes in causing lung cancer. "

RE: Get a grip wrote on Feb 8, 2008 10:08 AM:

" The post about the survey did not say ALL pot smokers will end up on death row. It said the people already on death row put pot use high on the list of contributors to their life of crime. It also said that some can use it socially and not have any negative effect. Others simply cannot do that. That is the difference between cigarettes and weed. Weed can and does effect SOME people negatively as far as their ability to decide between right and wrong. That is what the survey said. Get a grip on your paranoia and really read what it said. "

cornflower wrote on Feb 8, 2008 12:10 PM:

" I agree that Pot is harmful in a lot of
way's. I work with teens, and my-ex was a heavy user...in case you do not know what "heavy" means, it is at least three times a week. When teens are going through with drawl they become agitated and have to find more. When adults come down, they sweat, shake, and have trouble sleeping. My point is this, it takes 25 generations to rid a family line of addictions. Guess we need to begin now. "

Re: Nurse wrote on Feb 8, 2008 12:15 PM:

" It takes 25 generations to rid a fmaily line of addictions to drugs and alcohal.
I guess it is time to begin. "

RE: Proof? wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:01 PM:

" Why don't you show us one shred of evidence that there is. "

kalama res wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:11 PM:

" To the people saying you can overdose on marijuana -- think again. You would have to smoke your own body weight. You would die from smoke inhalation before you overdosed. All the drugs I listed are PHYSICALLY addictive, Marijuana is only MENTALLY addictive. Lots of things are MENTALLY addictive like gambling, chewing gum, or biting your nails. Get your facts straight. "

RE: Read the NEWS wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:11 PM:

" If that study was so true I woulda been dead years ago. That's just propaganda. They used to say back in the 60's and 70's When little Jimmy got stoned he took a frying pan and killed his mother cuz he was stoned on commercials. There is no actual factual basis for that study. If you believe it, I guess you can miss out then. Just leaves more for the rest of us less ignorant. And if you still think that study is true try asking your doctor what the lesser of the 2 evils are. I guarantee that doc will tell you to quit smoking ciggaretts first. "

kalama res wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:13 PM:

" Smoking marijuana does not impair your driving skills. Another case a ignorance, and uneducation about marijuana. Quit believing all the propaganda. Sounds like you need to go try it for yourself "

Yes Pot wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:18 PM:

" Marijuana kill exactly zero people in America every Year. Perscription drugs kill well over 100,000 people a year. This is a fact!! Look it up.
Can you say Heath Ledger, or Anna Nicole Smith. Where are the stories on MJ overdose deaths??? There are none.... "

another neighbor wrote on Feb 8, 2008 1:35 PM:

" When I was younger, I smoked ALOT of pot. Surprisingly I did not grow up to be an addict or a criminal,just a hard working college graduate. A person has to make a conscience effort for pot to be a gateway drug. They have to want to try harder drugs. And most of the true potheads I know do not have that kind of ambition. I was never addicted to it, I could quit at any time wanted. That is yet another choice the individual has to make. So poeple need to stop making excuses and take some responsibility for thier actions. I live in that neighborhood and am more pissed off about that nimrod building a bomb. I am more pissed off about the tweakers who like to rip off my neighborhood. I could care less about a few plants. Those people make the conscience effort to do those things. Pot did not make them do it. "

me wrote on Feb 8, 2008 3:23 PM:

" Based on the lack of writing/spelling/grammar skills of the pot smokers that are commenting here, I can tell exactly what smoking pot does to your brain. "

To kalama res: wrote on Feb 8, 2008 3:59 PM:

" You're such a Schmuck. Other posters are right about your ridiculous comments. You seem to be either too stoned or too dumb to make a legitimate contribution to this board. To say that smoking MJ doesn't impair is just plain nonsense. I mean, isn't the point of smoking to get high er, I mean relax? Maybe the marijuana you've been smoking down in Kalama is different than everywhere else, maybe somebody pulled the ole switcharoo on you and gave you some oregano. No wonder you don't think it impairs your driving. It still made you dumber though. "

re: kalama res wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:03 PM:

" If weed does not impair driving why are there records of people being charged with and convicted of DUI specifically due to marijuana? People smoke it to get HIGH. Are you on Drugs? "

to:To kalama res: wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:03 PM:

" I agree with everyone about marijuana impairing your ability to drive and think clearly,but,would you agree that if alcohol is legal as long as your not behind the wheel,shouldn't marijuana?not trying to start a big debate but I'm curious on everyones take on that. "

bucketball wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:13 PM:

" Why does someone always have to comment about another person spelling in these blogs? Is that the best argument you can come up with? At least we can say the pot heads out think all the "make sure all of your spelling is correct bloggers" so smoke a fat joint on that. "

bucketball wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:19 PM:

" If it is really the so-called gateway drug most of you are hypocrites because a lot more than the majority of the population has tried it one time or another and it didn't lead to nothing else so that argument is quickly tossed out the window. "

Withdrawal & Addiction wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:21 PM:

" Physical Addiction is generally characterized by whether any withdrawal symptoms occur when use of the drug is stopped. It's very well documented that heavy marijuana users DO experience withdrawal symptoms. The key here being HEAVY use, still it seems that marijuana is in fact Physically addictive. "

re: re:kalama res wrote on Feb 8, 2008 5:27 PM:

" The only reason why is there is record is because of ignorance. They probably just admitted it. They didn't know their rights. There is not a scientific test to determine whether or not your high on marijuana at the time in question. Don't you people watch COPS? "

HERBASAURUS wrote on Feb 9, 2008 12:28 AM:

" Just a med user here, with a little note on my experience. I've used marijuana as a medicine everyday for about ten years. I have great lung function Many people vaporize ground up herb, and it is fantastic. No combustion of the weed, you could even vaporize tobacco. In fact I think all the bars should have volcano vaporizers for tobacco smokers to make the switch, since they can't light up a cig or hooka here in WA. Man, vaporizing gives you the sweet taste, without the carcinogens. Volcano is expensive at around $500-$700. I don't know if this guy arrested was a good person, but probably not since hew was making bombs. However, we should definitely have more people growing this excellent weed. If we grew more then maybe I could just cook with it, for my ailments. That would be great. Just a little update from those of us benefiting from the miracle plant, Cannabis. But your only interested in letting loose pedophiles and rapists so you can continue to arrest me and others. Marijuana has only been a blessing for me and many other great people I know. Watch this recent video of one of a handful of federally legal medical marijuana patients testifying in the Michigan Legislature:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=lvzX8aNwxgM "

RE: "True" Christian wrote on Feb 10, 2008 5:36 PM:

" Yes, God did create marijuana. But that does NOT make it ok to get high!

"Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be SOBER"
1 Thessalonians 5:6 (emphasis added)

"Young men, likewise, exhort to be SOBER-minded"
Titus 2:6 (emphasis added)

"But the end of all this is at hand: be ye therefore SOBER, and watch unto prayer"
1 Peter 4:7 (emphasis added)

"Be SOBER, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour"
1 Peter 5:8 (emphasis added)


You're right. God doesn't make mistakes. WE do, by thinking it's ok to cloud our minds with things like alcohol or drugs--and YES marijuana is a DRUG!!!

"

Puffy the cornflower killer wrote on Feb 10, 2008 5:41 PM:

" If you work with teens how come you don't know how to spell withdrawal? How come you don't know that there is no withdrawal from pot? 25 generations huh? Do we get rid of them by, like, killing them? I think I know why your X was such a frequent user. "

hmm.. wrote on Feb 11, 2008 12:13 PM:

" Well I won't be having any great debates regarding this comment but thought I'd throw it in. I don't smoke pot. Never liked it. Have tried it though. Have friends and family that smoke. Friends and family that are completely successful shile smoking. I think it would be great to legalize this drug for medical use. Any thing to help the sick. "

anonymouse wrote on Feb 11, 2008 12:28 PM:

" Hmmmn, I have smoked mary jane pretty heavy for 19 years. If I don't have any for a few days, the closest I get to any physical symptoms of withdrawal is slight irritation, because I want some more and can't afford or can't find it. I would call that psychological though, not a physical addiction. When I was younger, I can remember smoking so much,(trying to see how much we could smoke), we eventually smoked ourselves "sober". It just stopped really working after soo many hours straight, and we went to sleep normally that night. This occured in my teens in California when the quality there was great, so it wasn't like we were smoking "oregano" either. I must also add, that while I am a grown adult now and only smoke marijuanna, when I was younger I tried all kinds of drugs. For me alcohol was definitely the "gateway" drug. I am not here saying marijuanna's a great thing. It has its negative effects. It robs a person of a great deal of motivation, and lets face it, many of these lazy kids these days need every ounce of that they can get. That being said, I still believe it should be legalized and controlled much like alcohol. Think of the tax money our government could generate by making it legal??? It could definitely solve a lot of money problems. "

POT SMOKERS UNITE!! wrote on Feb 11, 2008 2:06 PM:

" LOL. I've always wanted to say that. "

Again wrote on Feb 12, 2008 8:42 AM:

" Again does this person come from a nice family and he should get a break. Because it looks like we are picking on him. This stems from the article and comments for that man who's son shot off a gun and the father got busted for growing pot. A lot of the comments were "they are a good family" So again let's look at this man's family. And if they are a "good" family may be we should give the man a break after all it is only the people from bad families we want to incarcerate. "

Common Goodsense wrote on Feb 12, 2008 9:43 AM:

" Pot leads to hard drugs in the same way milk and juice boxes lead to alcoholism. "

Legalization so far off?? wrote on Feb 13, 2008 7:05 PM:

" For some of those who haven't been living in the real world and say marijuanna will not be legalized someday. Check out the movement in Colorado.....Its a step in the right direction. Persistance will move anything forward. By the way not all of "us" are stupid. I have a degree in Chemistry, and also in Pharmacy. You might want to reach out for that thing they call a "mirror". "

Legalization so far off?? wrote on Feb 13, 2008 7:30 PM:

" 1. Psalms 104:14, "He causeth the grass for the cattle, and herb for the service of man".
2. Genesis 3:18, "He gave us the herb:"... thou shalt eat the herb of the field "
3. Exodus 10:12"... eat every herb of the land "
4.Proverbs 15:17. "Better is a dinner of herb where love is, than a stalled ox and hatred therewith"
I could go on all day if you want to start the bible talk. Sorry but, you need to do some homework. "

Wow you ALL are Loons!! wrote on Feb 17, 2008 12:54 PM:

" When going through extensive Chemo/radiation treatments (I was 18, and caused from, in my opinion, Nuclear Waste). I not only lost my hair, I lost my dignity and formost my appetitite. Since vomitting felt as if my toenails were being sucked up through my organs. Marajuana was my medicine of choice. My nauseau was subdued and appitite returned. It really was the only thing that made me want to eat. I do credit it (on some level) for my recovery. Now here I sit 22 yrs later with severe osteo arthritis...- direct link to the cancer. And I again use this wonderful medicinal drug to ease pain. I can not stand what the pain pills do to my stomache nor do I like being "drugged" up all the time. For the most part I lead a full life, I do not drink nor smoke cigarettes. My gateway, as with most I suspect is alcohol.(easy to obtain from our parents) households in which 2 parents had to work. Morality has declined and to say that it has nothing to do with "greed" within ourselves to have bigger and better is a mistake. Stay home, play with your kids, read the bible! Teach them right from wrong and PLEASE quit trying to place blame on synthetic materials, take some of the ill placed credit. For those spell-mungers out there trying to lord their superiority over others kiss my plump : der·ri·ere and correct your kids not our spelling!!! Getting stoned out of your gourd is not what I'm about.
THC=Toking Helps Cure ! whatta bunch of ignoramusus! "

pushy aren't we wrote on Feb 18, 2008 8:42 PM:

" the explosives are my biggest worry. did he make them or buy, of sell bombs. were could others be? next door to me or you. don't try to push your beliefs on the rest of us. "

RE: legalization so far off??? wrote on Feb 26, 2008 8:38 PM:

" Ok. So you quoted the bible...but you're not taking into consideration...the key word in those verses is hearbs to EAT!!!!! Smoking pot to get high is NOT ok in any definition in the bible! Nowhere does it say that altering your state of mind is ok. I know pot isn't as bad as some of the other drugs out there as far as mind altering, but it gives a "high" which can otherwise be considered as "drunkenness" and the Bible speaks clearly against that. Check out some of the verses posted above by "RE: True Christian". "

To legalization so far off? wrote on Feb 28, 2008 10:43 AM:

" Smoking, eating it.... Same end result... LOL. Your still stoned either way. "

Realist wrote on Feb 29, 2008 3:15 PM:

" You might be surprised if you knew some of the people you interct with every day and trust with your children, medical needs or financial advice smoke pot on a regular basis. It is true, you know. And yet, you trust them and take their advice. No one has ever started a riot because they smoked too much bud and the amount of money that is spent enforcing the law and incarcerating people for smoking weed is out of proportion to the harm it might cause. Many law enforcement professionals understand this and oppose current laws and believe we would be better served by legalization or decriminalization. Don't believe it? Check out what they say for yourself! http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php "

Realist wrote on Feb 29, 2008 4:15 PM:

" Prohibition didn't work for alcohol waht makes anyone think it will work for pot or other drugs? The amount of money spent to enforce the laws and incarcerate some harmless tokers is way out of proportion to the potential harm that might result from the drug. Even harder drugs could be legalized and controlled with better results than the current system. For all the busts they make have the police been able to reduce the amount of drug related crime in Longview/Kelso? Read the paper and you'll see story after story about the same stuff over and over again. Many enlightened law enforcement officers around the country also think we should use our resources in better ways. See what they are saying for yourself and then write your representatives and tell them to end prohibition now! If you don't like drugs then don't use them but wouldn't it be nice if we spent all that money to provide health care for everyone instead of wasting it fighting a losing battle against something that people obviously want?
Check out this website and see what law enforcement professionals say about this issue. http://www.leap.cc/cms/index.php "

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