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113 guns missing from Longview shop, audit finds

Wednesday, January 30, 2008 5:38 AM PST

By Tony Lystra
tlystra@tdn.com

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A recent federal audit of a Long­view gun dealer has found that 113 firearms went missing from the store over a 10-year period.

The audit found that the Gun Shop in Longview couldn't determine where the guns are or

whether they were stolen. Auditors and the store's owner say the major

ity of the weapons probably were sold but can't be tracked because records weren't properly kept.

"We don't know the status of them or where they are," said Detective Sgt. Mike Hallowell of the Longview Police Department. "If they're in the wrong hands, obviously that's a concern."

The federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms examined the store's sales between 1996 and 2005, a Longview police report said. Documenting weapons sales is important, the ATF said, because it helps keep guns out of criminals' hands.

John Bridges, who owns the store and pawn shop located on 15th Avenue, said he couldn't guarantee that some of the guns weren't stolen.

"I suppose there's a chance maybe

the oddball gun found its way out of here - maybe by employees or other means," he said.

Bridges said he managed to track down 12 of the guns.

He found two in his shop and located sales records for 10 others.

"I am taking it very seriously," he said. "If I continue to have problems, I could lose my license."

The unaccounted for weapons include Rugers, Glocks, Berettas, Winchesters and other brands of rifles, handguns and shotguns.

The audit was the result of a recent initiative to review the sales practices of every gun-dealing pawn broker in the nation, said Nick Starcevic, a spokesman for the ATF in Seattle.

The audits should be finished sometime this year, he said. The ATF's Washington, D.C, office declined to release the number of Cowlitz County inspections that resulted in missing guns. But a spokeswoman there said that, nationwide, 9 percent of the gun dealers audited by the agency between 2005 and 2007 had at least one gun they couldn't account for.

"A lot of time, it is a paperwork error," Starcevic said. "Things will get filed wrong."

If retailers don't record and keep the names and addresses of gun buyers, they could lose their federal dealers licenses, he said.

Processing the paperwork correctly, he said, ensures the guns can be traced and helps prevent them from ending up in the wrong hands. For example, he said, the records help keep convicted felons or those with misdemeanor domestic violence convictions from illegally buying guns.

"Every gun tells a story," he said. "Pawn shops ... take in a lot of crime guns unbeknownst to them. That's just the nature of their business. ... We want to keep all the crime guns out of the criminal's hands."

Of the 113 missing weapons from the Gun Shop, Starcevic said, "It's a lot. ... They're treated as if they're stolen because we have to assume the worst."

Hallowell, of the Longview police department, said the missing weapons would be entered into a local database so county law enforcement agencies will know what they're dealing with if they encounter them.

Starcevic said he didn't believe the Longview store would face sanctions. Rather, he said, the agency would work with Bridges to ensure documentation is properly recorded in the future.

Bridges said his shop sells and pawns about 1,500 new and used guns each year. He said the audit was conducted between June and September of last year.

Of the missing weapons, Bridges said, "There are guns on that list that I know were sold. I know the paperwork was done on them."

Asked why the records couldn't be found during the audit, he said, "I can't tell you."

He said his store has employed up to five workers at any given time. "I don't see every transaction that takes place," he said.

Regulations were more lax 20 years ago, Bridges said. In those days, Bridges said, if he knew his customer, "I didn't even have to see his identification."

But, he said, "over time, things got stricter and stricter and stricter and our paperwork systems just didn't evolve with that."

The store has recently begun having employees double- and triple-check their paperwork, he said.

Bridges said that if he had been doing something "drastically wrong," the ATF would have closed his shop. "They didn't. That's the bottom line," he said.

"I guess my only job now is to do a much better job than I did before in tracking the stuff."

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What? wrote on Feb 9, 2008 5:12 PM:

" Obviously you DIDN'T do a good in "tracking the stuff." If you did you wouldn't be in this mess. Where did all those guns go, anyway? "

That sucks! wrote on Feb 9, 2008 5:29 PM:

" John is a really nice guy and runs a very thorough business, it sucks that others have to try to screw it up for him like this. Over 10 years 101 guns only makes up .67 of a percent, not to bad if you figure previous employee theft, outside theft, and the fact that some of it is just paperwork. "

Reality Check wrote on Feb 10, 2008 8:52 AM:

" I am a banker. I deal with many many millions of dollars and over the course of ten years I manage to lose only about 1 million. I'm sure it went somewhere, I just can't say. Maybe in my back pocket, maybe funnelled to drug dealers or terrorists. I'm pretty sure its not really lost though. That would be too harsh, because I am a really nice guy. That's perfectly right, isn't it? After all, I do run a "very thorough" business. Get real. He needs to pull his complacent head out of the sand, and open his eyes to the possibility of tracking things as thoroughly as he SHOULD have been. "

how many last year? wrote on Feb 11, 2008 8:55 PM:

"
i'm more interested in knowing how many
guns, and were they rifles or handguns,
were 'lost' last year? "

Reality Check??? wrote on Feb 11, 2008 11:36 PM:

" Maybe you should sign up for one. Running a bank is alot different than running a retail business. Try opening up your vault, have 125-200 people strolling through there everyday, have only enough payroll to keep an eye on 2-3 of them at a time, then see how much is missing in 10 years. Oh, and you can't screen the people walking through, unless they want to purchase some money. Then you have to run a 15 minute background check to make sure they can possess the money before turning it over to them. But wait.... now while you are tied up on the phone, 3 more local crackheads walk in and no one is available to watch them. Hmmm, wonder how stuff like this comes up missing?? "

re Reality check??? wrote on Feb 12, 2008 2:04 PM:

" Do you have a point? If he can't obey the law, then he should be shut down. And that is assuming these are legitimate "losses," as opposed to what might have actually happened to the weapons in question. The ATF should have stepped in years ago. "

Non Issue wrote on Feb 12, 2008 4:16 PM:

" This is a non issue. Guns can change hands for money privately and it is legal. Get off this local businesses case! "

to Non Issue wrote on Feb 12, 2008 5:49 PM:

" Did you run that lame attempt for an argument by the police, an attorney or the ATF? Try making sense next time! "

sniper wrote on Feb 12, 2008 7:52 PM:

" I have purchased a few guns from the Gun Shop over the years and they checked me out and did all the proper paper work. I'm sure if the ATF thought this was the fault of the owner they would have shut him down. They don't seem to take those things litely. How many other retail buisnesses have been shoplifted from by patrons and employee's? "

Gun Haters wrote on Feb 13, 2008 8:07 AM:

" If you dont like guns so much maybe you should go find another country. We Americans dont want or need you here! "

to Gun Haters wrote on Feb 14, 2008 7:32 PM:

" Good - you can sit around and shoot yourselves dead for all we care. You will make it easier that way for us illegals to quietly take over your so called "country." "

wally wrote on Feb 16, 2008 4:52 PM:

" oh brother, like the ATF actually knows what they are doing? They've ruined more lives than they'll ever save. "

ArmyDude wrote on Feb 23, 2008 10:07 AM:

" 113 weapons over 10 years....that is losing a gun almost every month. I don't believe they should be closed down, but they should be checked again soon. They are under-reporting income most likely..... "

Hide Behind wrote on Feb 27, 2008 1:10 PM:

" What is not mentioned in article is that it is not just pawnshops whose records are being over scrutinized but any sales outlet that sells or trades in used weaponry.Pssst for the merchant; I know of nor have ever known of a pawnshops that was unprofitable, and in fact is the highest profit for weapon, leave out other elements, sales of any outlet. Anyone who is a "Registered" gun dealer knows the importance of not just keeping good but exellent records and it is their responsability to insure that all employees are overseen in those premices.For you gun afficianados every time one of these getting by on the cheap guys get caught it is just one more coffin nail leading towards your eventual loss of opportunity to obtain a weapon in future.Every incident will be played up by the anti's so instead of just backing this guy just because he sells weapons tell him to get his act together for all of our sakes. With the current vote swinging towards the anti gun party already and what many of their plans already in works, and the amount of quivering fear laden public out there today; we are going to see a hard fight to retain our "RIGHTS" coming soon without giving them any more ammo to use against us.
"

just wondering wrote on Feb 27, 2008 11:49 PM:

" I purchased a glock from that place back in '96 so if I get stopped and they run a check on my weapon, is it stolen? unfortunatly i know the answer, 1. go to jail for PSP. and have to spend allot of my money to prove its not stolen. Way to go!!! "

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